From: Sean M. <sea...@pr...> - 2004-12-19 12:37:35
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All, Some of you will no doubt have read about the recent Dynamic Languages on the JVM meeting in Sun hosted by Tim Bray ( http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/2004_12_05_seanmcgrath_archive.html#110270995272486367). I had the pleasure of attending that meeting in my capacity as a Jython enthusiast and heavy commercial user of Jython. It was great to hear Graham Hamilton of Sun emphasising the difference between Java the platform and Java the programming language. The time is right for the development of a flourishing dynamic language eco-system on top of the JVM. One could not ask for a better advocate for this development than Tim Bray(http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/12/08/DynamicJava). Jython is extremely well positioned in the dynamic languages for the JVM world. I look forward to mutually beneficial cross-population between the emerging dynamic languages ecosystemon the JVM: Jython, Groovy, JRuby, SISC etc. Talking to Samuele in California, he told me that he had been making good progress with the implementation of new style classes in Jython. Samuele has a busy 2005 ahead of him with the PyPy project (http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/2004_12_05_seanmcgrath_archive.html#110270995272486367 congratulations Samuele!) so he is aiming to commit a CVS branch as soon as possible to allow parallelized development of Jython to resume. Samuele has been travelling a lot lately but he will be sending an update e-mail to the Jython lists soon outlining the state of play and his suggestions for Jython development going forward. regards, Sean "100% pure JVM" McGrath http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com |
From: Gerald B. <lux...@ya...> - 2004-12-20 20:19:25
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Hello Sean, > Some of you will no doubt have read about the recent > Dynamic Languages ... Thanks for your update on the inside story of Jython. Great to hear that Jython has a committed developer team behind it. Now on to something completely different. If I may quote from your blog: > I have added some entries to Jython users. If you > have any Jython project you would like to see listed, > let me know. You might consider adding a link to the Sulu project. What is Sulu? If I may quote from the Sulu tutorial: Sulu is LGPL Mozilla XUL rendering engine written in Java. Sulu strives to be 100% Mozilla XUL compatible. The XUL rendered in Mozilla should render identically on Sulu. One of the main benefits of Sulu is that it gives you direct access to rich Java APIs such as J2EE, JINI, JXTA, WebServices, etc. while maintaining the deployment simplicity of a web application. Sulu brings web applications development techniques to desktop applications. Sulu differs from Mozilla in that it uses JDOM instead of W3C's DOM and Jython instead of JavaScript. Despite this the programming model is the same. Those familar with using Javascript and DOM to manipulate XUL in Mozilla should feel right at home with Sulu. Source: http://sulu.sourceforge.net/tutorial Find out more @ http://sulu.sourceforge.net You can find an interview with Sulu project lead Son To online @ http://xul.sourceforge.net/post/2004/06/xul_titan_interview_son_to_of_sulu_fame_part_i.html and http://xul.sourceforge.net/post/2004/06/xul_titan_interview_son_to_of_sulu_fame_part_ii.html - Gerald ----------------------- Gerald Bauer United XAML - http://unitedxaml.org XAML Forum & News - http://xamlnews.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com |
From: Sean M. <sea...@pr...> - 2004-12-20 20:56:43
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Fascinating. I was not aware of Sulu. I will add this to the Jython users page. Sean Gerald Bauer wrote: >Hello Sean, > > > >>Some of you will no doubt have read about the recent >>Dynamic Languages ... >> >> > > Thanks for your update on the inside story of >Jython. Great to hear that Jython has a committed >developer team behind it. > > Now on to something completely different. If I may >quote from your blog: > > > >>I have added some entries to Jython users. If you >>have any Jython project you would like to see >> >> >listed, > > >>let me know. >> >> > > You might consider adding a link to the Sulu >project. What is Sulu? If I may quote from the Sulu >tutorial: > > Sulu is LGPL Mozilla XUL rendering engine written in >Java. Sulu strives to be 100% Mozilla XUL compatible. >The XUL rendered in Mozilla should render identically >on Sulu. One of the main benefits of Sulu is that it >gives you direct access to rich Java APIs such as >J2EE, JINI, JXTA, WebServices, etc. while maintaining >the deployment simplicity of a web application. Sulu >brings web applications development techniques to >desktop applications. > >Sulu differs from Mozilla in that it uses JDOM instead >of W3C's DOM and Jython instead of JavaScript. Despite >this the programming model is the same. Those familar >with using Javascript and DOM to manipulate XUL in >Mozilla should feel right at home with Sulu. > > Source: http://sulu.sourceforge.net/tutorial > > Find out more @ http://sulu.sourceforge.net > > You can find an interview with Sulu project lead Son >To online @ >http://xul.sourceforge.net/post/2004/06/xul_titan_interview_son_to_of_sulu_fame_part_i.html >and >http://xul.sourceforge.net/post/2004/06/xul_titan_interview_son_to_of_sulu_fame_part_ii.html > > - Gerald > >----------------------- >Gerald Bauer >United XAML - http://unitedxaml.org >XAML Forum & News - http://xamlnews.com > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >http://my.yahoo.com > > > > |
From: Frank C. <fc...@pu...> - 2004-12-24 15:57:35
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Hi Sean: Thanks for the blog on the DynLang summit. Tim Bray impresses me that he's got staying power on this topic. I'm able to support his efforts with writing, coding, and generally showing developers the path to Jython. I love it! You wrote about the difference between the Java platform and the Java language. I would love to see Jython in Eclipse and NetBeans. Does that wind up in the platform side of things? -Frank On Dec 19, 2004, at 4:37 AM, Sean McGrath wrote: > All, > > Some of you will no doubt have read about the recent Dynamic Languages > on the JVM meeting in Sun hosted by Tim Bray ( > http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/ > 2004_12_05_seanmcgrath_archive.html#110270995272486367). > > I had the pleasure of attending that meeting in my capacity as a > Jython enthusiast and heavy commercial user of Jython. > > It was great to hear Graham Hamilton of Sun emphasising the difference > between Java the platform and Java the programming language. The time > is right for the development of a flourishing dynamic language > eco-system on top of the JVM. One could not ask for a better advocate > for this development than Tim > Bray(http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/12/08/DynamicJava). > > Jython is extremely well positioned in the dynamic languages for the > JVM world. I look forward to mutually beneficial cross-population > between the emerging dynamic languages ecosystemon the JVM: Jython, > Groovy, JRuby, SISC etc. > > Talking to Samuele in California, he told me that he had been making > good progress with the implementation of new style classes in Jython. > Samuele has a busy 2005 ahead of him with the PyPy project > (http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com/ > 2004_12_05_seanmcgrath_archive.html#110270995272486367 congratulations > Samuele!) so he is aiming to commit a CVS branch as soon as possible > to allow parallelized development of Jython to resume. > > Samuele has been travelling a lot lately but he will be sending an > update e-mail to the Jython lists soon outlining the state of play and > his suggestions for Jython development going forward. > > regards, > Sean "100% pure JVM" McGrath > http://seanmcgrath.blogspot.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real > users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Jython-users mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users > > --- Frank Cohen, PushToTest, http://www.PushToTest.com, phone: 408 374 7426 Author of "Java Testing and Design: From Unit Tests to Automated Web Tests" from Prentice Hall, details at http://thebook.pushtotest.com |
From: Sean M. <sea...@pr...> - 2004-12-24 16:05:12
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Frank Cohen wrote: > Hi Sean: Thanks for the blog on the DynLang summit. Tim Bray > impresses me that he's got staying power on this topic. I'm able to > support his efforts with writing, coding, and generally showing > developers the path to Jython. I love it! > > > You wrote about the difference between the Java platform and the Java > language. I would love to see Jython in Eclipse and NetBeans. Me too. > Does that wind up in the platform side of things? That is a very good question. It will take time for the distinction between Java the platform and Java the language to take hold. Until it does, IDEs that target "Java" will be tilted towards Java the programming language. As Jython/Groovy/JRuby infiltrate the IDES, this will change I think, but it will be a gradual process. I've started to use the phrase "100% pure JVM". Dunno if it will catch on :-) I want a JVM IDE :-) Sean |