From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-06-28 14:21:37
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I've revamped jython.org and started to update/add some documentation. Please take a look at the new site proposal and let me know what you think. Keep in mind that colors can be updated, but I rather like the dark site as it really makes the site look "new". I also think that the current logo also looks better on a dark background. At this point I have only added a few extra docs and so forth, but in the long run I plan to eventually add a complete doc set for 2.5 as I am back-porting the Python 2.6 docs. I am also going to add more quick links onto the front page and build upon those that I've started. At this point the site is really a good starting-point for me to begin building on the docs and add other nice features...something more like Python.org has in the end. Updated Site: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b1/index.html Let me know what you think. If everyone likes it then maybe we can move over to the new site sometime soon. Enjoy the remainder of the weekend. Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau |
From: Lars H. <he...@se...> - 2009-06-28 15:21:12
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Hi Josh, [...] > Let me know > what you think. If everyone likes it then maybe we can move over to the new site sometime soon. Look good although I find the black background a bit depressive. :) I like to see a link directly to the bug tracker rather than to the wiki page which explains that you have to click once again. :) Anyway, good work! :) Best regards, Lars -- Semagia <http://www.semagia.com/> |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-06-29 01:20:47
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Lars- Thanks for the feedback. The black background is kind of a "love it" or "hate it" I guess. We'll see what the general concensus is before choosing, but white or egg shell color would also work nicely. I appreciate the feedback. I like the bug tracker idea, one less click is always a good idea. I will add a direct link somewhere or replace the existing link. Thanks! Josh Juneau DBA-Application Developer On Jun 28, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Lars Heuer <he...@se...> wrote: > Hi Josh, > > [...] >> Let me know >> what you think. If everyone likes it then maybe we can move over >> to the new site sometime soon. > > Look good although I find the black background a bit depressive. :) > I like to see a link directly to the bug tracker rather than to the > wiki page which explains that you have to click once again. :) > > Anyway, good work! :) > > Best regards, > Lars > > -- > Semagia > <http://www.semagia.com/> |
From: Tobias I. <th...@gm...> - 2009-06-29 07:52:50
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Hi, Looking at the Twitter updates section, I think it would be more interesting to display a twitter search over any tweet that mentions Jython. Like http://neo4j.org does. I also think that the headline should say "Python Programming Language" instead of "Python Language". The "skip to content" link in the upper right corner does not skip very far, is it really useful? In general I would prefer less content on the first page, I love the simplicity of the new JRuby website. It's a great improvement over the current web page, and I love that you are doing this. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Tobias |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-06-29 13:05:37
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Tobias- Thanks for the input. Good idea with the Twitter updates...I'll make the change. Similarly, I can change the headline to read "Python Programming Language". Not quite sure why I put the "Skip to Content" link up in the corner, I've used it on other sites and it works well when the content is lower on the screen...good idea to remove here as it doesn't add much to the site. I do like the jruby.org site as it is very easy to use. On the contrary, I think it is nice to have a lot of content available from the first page without digging around the site (similar to Python.org). We can definitely try to keep it down to a minimum though...any thoughts on what should be removed would be great. Otherwise I will just focus on not adding any additional sections to the front page. I really appreciate the feedback...thanks for your time! Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Tobias Ivarsson <th...@gm...> wrote: > Hi, > > Looking at the Twitter updates section, I think it would be more > interesting to display a twitter search over any tweet that mentions Jython. > Like http://neo4j.org does. > > I also think that the headline should say "Python Programming Language" > instead of "Python Language". > > The "skip to content" link in the upper right corner does not skip very > far, is it really useful? > > In general I would prefer less content on the first page, I love the > simplicity of the new JRuby website. > > It's a great improvement over the current web page, and I love that you are > doing this. Keep up the good work. > > Cheers, > Tobias > |
From: John S. <jo...@sz...> - 2009-06-29 08:23:38
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Josh Juneau<jun...@gm...> wrote: [snip] > Let me know > what you think. If everyone likes it then maybe we can move over to the new site sometime soon. Thanks for taking the time to update the site! I'm also not very fond of the black background (sorry!). I think there should be a more prominent download link inline with the content (I expected to see Download, followed by all the information you needed). I completely missed it up there at the top. :-) Also, the links under "Using Jython" seem to pop open a new window. That was a little unexpected... I expected it to just take me to the page in my current window. All in all, it's shaping up! Thanks for taking this on Josh! -John |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-06-29 15:55:09
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John- Thanks for the feedback, sorry that you don't like the black background. That makes at least two people, which is enough to warrant a build using a different color background for comparison. I'll put something together with a white or eggshell colored background so that we can compare the two and decide upon what we'd like best. Thanks! I can add a download link into the navigation bar...good idea. More places to download is better and I guess lots of people focus on the nav-bar, so it may look like it is "missing" at first glance if you don't look around the page. Yes, those links in the "Using Jython" section are not very friendly...definitely need to change those so that the target remains the same...pop-up pages are never nice. Thanks for the catch on that... I appreciate the feedback. I'll send out links to another build including a different color background this week. Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:23 AM, John Szakmeister <jo...@sz...>wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Josh Juneau<jun...@gm...> wrote: > [snip] > > Let me know > > > what you think. If everyone likes it then maybe we can move over to the new site sometime soon. > > Thanks for taking the time to update the site! > > I'm also not very fond of the black background (sorry!). I think > there should be a more prominent download link inline with the content > (I expected to see Download, followed by all the information you > needed). I completely missed it up there at the top. :-) > > Also, the links under "Using Jython" seem to pop open a new window. > That was a little unexpected... I expected it to just take me to the > page in my current window. > > All in all, it's shaping up! Thanks for taking this on Josh! > > -John > |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-07-07 16:18:43
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I've changed new site colors a bit, and also re-arranged a few items on the new site. I've added a collapsable menu to the right-hand side of the site so that we could add sections there without cluttering up the screen. There have been some changes made to the navigation menu on the left-hand side as to make it more usable. For instance, I've made a downloads link that integrates nicely with the site, and I've moved the developer links into the collapsable menu on the right-hand side to clean it up a bit. I also added a chat applet option to the collapsable menu so that users can gain easy access to the #jython IRC room. I've stuck with the darker header as I think it adds life to the current Jython logo. However, I can use a lighter blend if we choose to do so. I personally think that the darker header adds tone to the site because I've built it with a white header as well and it seems a bit dull. Lastly, I've cleaned up some links so that everything should now open in the current window. The only pop-up now should be the aforementioned chat applet. If you find others, please let me know. New site build: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b2/index.html Send me your thoughts. Thanks for your time! Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > I've revamped jython.org and started to update/add some documentation. > Please take a look at the new site proposal and let me know what you think. > Keep in mind that colors can be updated, but I rather like the dark site as > it really makes the site look "new". I also think that the current logo > also looks better on a dark background. > At this point I have only added a few extra docs and so forth, but in the > long run I plan to eventually add a complete doc set for 2.5 as I am > back-porting the Python 2.6 docs. I am also going to add more quick links > onto the front page and build upon those that I've started. At this point > the site is really a good starting-point for me to begin building on the > docs and add other nice features...something more like Python.org has in the > end. > > Updated Site: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b1/index.html > > Let me know > what you think. If everyone likes it then maybe we can move over to the new site sometime soon. > > Enjoy the remainder of the weekend. > > Josh Juneau > jun...@gm... > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > Twitter ID: javajuneau > |
From: Tobias I. <th...@gm...> - 2009-07-07 16:59:19
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Wow! Great improvement. I like it. A few more comments on the twitter feed. * "hashtags" are useless, please include a search for "jython" instead of "#jython", it will include all the hits that the search for "#jython" would plus some more that are also relevant. It will #also #keep us from #writing #tweets that #look like #this. * It would be nice if you could see the name and perhaps the avatar of the persons who wrote the tweets. I don't like the text for the "older distributions" part, it is not clear which version constitutes the "older distribution", I'd like it if the text explicitly said that it was the 2.2 version. Finally it would be nice if the right hand side menu was entirely on the screen when the page loads, as it is now I need to scroll down a bit to see all of it. This does of course depend on your screen resolution, and I don't know how much vertical space we should optimize for. As it is now it would be enough to move the search box up into the black area for the menu to fit on screen, but it will probably be different on another screen. The left hand side menu fits perfectly, so if other people agree with this and you decide to go for it, that can be used as reference. Good work, Tobias On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > I've changed new site colors a bit, and also re-arranged a few items on the > new site. I've added a collapsable menu to the right-hand side of the site > so that we could add sections there without cluttering up the screen. There > have been some changes made to the navigation menu on the left-hand side as > to make it more usable. For instance, I've made a downloads link that > integrates nicely with the site, and I've moved the developer links into the > collapsable menu on the right-hand side to clean it up a bit. I also added > a chat applet option to the collapsable menu so that users can gain easy > access to the #jython IRC room. > I've stuck with the darker header as I think it adds life to the current > Jython logo. However, I can use a lighter blend if we choose to do so. I > personally think that the darker header adds tone to the site because I've > built it with a white header as well and it seems a bit dull. > > Lastly, I've cleaned up some links so that everything should now open in > the current window. The only pop-up now should be the aforementioned chat > applet. If you find others, please let me know. > > New site build: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b2/index.html > > Send me your thoughts. Thanks for your time! > > Josh Juneau > jun...@gm... > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > Twitter ID: javajuneau > > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > >> I've revamped jython.org and started to update/add some documentation. >> Please take a look at the new site proposal and let me know what you think. >> Keep in mind that colors can be updated, but I rather like the dark site as >> it really makes the site look "new". I also think that the current logo >> also looks better on a dark background. >> At this point I have only added a few extra docs and so forth, but in the >> long run I plan to eventually add a complete doc set for 2.5 as I am >> back-porting the Python 2.6 docs. I am also going to add more quick links >> onto the front page and build upon those that I've started. At this point >> the site is really a good starting-point for me to begin building on the >> docs and add other nice features...something more like Python.org has in the >> end. >> >> Updated Site: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b1/index.html >> >> Let me know >> what you think. If everyone likes it then maybe we can move over to the new site sometime soon. >> >> Enjoy the remainder of the weekend. >> >> Josh Juneau >> jun...@gm... >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com >> Twitter ID: javajuneau >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry > _______________________________________________ > Jython-dev mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev > > |
From: Frank W. <fwi...@gm...> - 2009-07-07 16:59:38
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Josh Juneau<jun...@gm...> wrote:. > New site build: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b2/index.html > Send me your thoughts. Thanks for your time! Wow. I love it! Thanks for all of the hard work. -Frank |
From: Kay S. <ka...@fi...> - 2009-07-07 17:03:16
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I like the coloring scheme but have the impressions that the text margins and paddings could be improved - all of them. The left hand side navigational menu is a bit fancy with the escaping menu entries. Just don't do that. Many Programmers will hate you for this. The menu headlines are hardly readable. I'd also consider a new Jython logo, not displaying an anemic and famished worm in a cup. The logo certainly needs more light. |
From: Jim B. <jb...@zy...> - 2009-07-07 18:47:57
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We are definitely going to be reworking the logo. But conceptually it's a great one: a Python genie coming out in the coffee aroma. And this reaches back to both Greek mythology and history: the god Apollo established his Oracle at the site he slew the Python (a dragon). In Scientific American 6 years ago there was a fascinating article ( http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=questioning-the-delphic-o&ref=sciam) suggesting that his priestess at the Oracle, the Pythia, got her visions due to the presence of hallucinating vapors in that temple. So there's some interesting potential here :) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Kay Schluehr <ka...@fi...> wrote: > I like the coloring scheme but have the impressions that the text > margins and paddings could be improved - all of them. The left hand side > navigational menu is a bit fancy with the escaping menu entries. Just > don't do that. Many Programmers will hate you for this. The menu > headlines are hardly readable. I'd also consider a new Jython logo, not > displaying an anemic and famished worm in a cup. The logo certainly > needs more light. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry > _______________________________________________ > Jython-dev mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev > -- Jim Baker jb...@zy... |
From: Alan K. <jyt...@xh...> - 2009-07-07 20:19:25
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[Jim] > But conceptually it's a great one: a Python genie coming out in the coffee > aroma. I'm not suggesting this as a jython logo, but I did like the old modjy logo (attached), which I got my designer friend Keith Double to for me. It's a snake tasting the aroma of coffee: snakes smell with their tongues. Since modjy doesn't really need a logo anymore, I'm happy for it to be used for some other jython purpose. Regards, Alan. |
From: Leo S. M. <leo...@gm...> - 2009-07-07 20:22:45
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jim Baker<jb...@zy...> wrote: > We are definitely going to be reworking the logo. > > But conceptually it's a great one: a Python genie coming out in the coffee > aroma. And this reaches back to both Greek mythology and history: the god > Apollo established his Oracle at the site he slew the Python (a dragon). In > Scientific American 6 years ago there was a fascinating article > (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=questioning-the-delphic-o&ref=sciam) > suggesting that his priestess at the Oracle, the Pythia, got her visions due > to the presence of hallucinating vapors in that temple. > > So there's some interesting potential here :) Wow, I love how from time to time I learn something completely unexpected on a python-related mailing list :) Back to the topic, I liked this iteration much better -- good job Josh! The layout glitches when expanding the accordion on the right side should be fixed, though. Regards, -- Leo Soto M. http://blog.leosoto.com |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-07-08 06:59:30
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Thanks for the responses on this thread, I really appreciate all of the feedback. I will try to touch upon all of the comments that were made, I *think* that I can address most of them with the next build. Also, please keep sending comments as I want to make this site very usable and valuable to the community....not just to the developers, but to everyone interested in Jython. I plan to roll out the new site and then continue to make incremental changes as time goes on...so even if some suggestions are not included in the new site, perhaps they will be added later on. Tobias: Thanks for the comments. I agree, I'd like to have an avatar or name appearing next to each post in the Twitter feed. I found a tool online (rssinclude) that enabled me to quickly format the Twitter search feed into what you see on the site. Unfortunately, the feed does not include photos and the rssinclude tool does not show the name. :( It looks like I'm going to have to code some PHP for this to work or look for something of the like on the web...unless you are able to share the neo4j code to save some time. ;) I am also going to perform the search without the hash(#)...you are right and I am not quite sure why I included it. Performing the search without it makes much more sense. I can change the "Older Versions" text no problem. I am also going to try to move the "Search" to the bottom of the screen as opposed to the header. I think that it may clutter the header up a bit with the download link there already. Let's see how good it looks if I place the collapsable menu on top of the search. Frank: No problem, I enjoy working on the site...although I should be writing instead. ;) I just want to get the new site into place, and then I plan to fine tune and tweak it over time. Kay: I'll do some formatting on the text, that shouldn't be a problem. I am going to change the text of the header elements in the left-hand navigation bar so that they are white as opposed to orange...that may help. As far as the "escaping" menu items go, I for one think that it helps to show that the mouse is actually over the item. If for nothing else, it is an "accessibility" feature to help those who are not able to see the mouse very well. If enough people on this list would rather see immobile links in the navigational pane then I will change it. Let me know...let's take a vote! Jim has already provided a sufficient commentary on the Jython logo...we are working on something new but we are not quite there yet. I'd like to roll out a new site sooner than later, and we can worry about changing the logo as we go. I appreciate the comments. Jim: Thanks for chiming in, it is appreciated as always! Alan: Nice logo, I do like it quite a bit. As mentioned previously, Jim and I were throwing around some ideas as well, but no designs have been made as yet. We should place all of the logos on a page and vote. Maybe we should open this up to the public?? Just an idea...not sure how well that would work. Thanks Leo: I agree...the collapsable menu needs to have no left-to-right scrolling within it! I am going to work on fine-tuning it a bit...thanks for the comments! I am going to work on these changes and then I'll make a new build available once again for commentary. Thanks for helping out! I think we're getting there! Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Leo Soto M. <leo...@gm...> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jim Baker<jb...@zy...> wrote: > > We are definitely going to be reworking the logo. > > > > But conceptually it's a great one: a Python genie coming out in the > coffee > > aroma. And this reaches back to both Greek mythology and history: the god > > Apollo established his Oracle at the site he slew the Python (a dragon). > In > > Scientific American 6 years ago there was a fascinating article > > ( > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=questioning-the-delphic-o&ref=sciam > ) > > suggesting that his priestess at the Oracle, the Pythia, got her visions > due > > to the presence of hallucinating vapors in that temple. > > > > So there's some interesting potential here :) > > Wow, I love how from time to time I learn something completely > unexpected on a python-related mailing list :) > > Back to the topic, I liked this iteration much better -- good job > Josh! The layout glitches when expanding the accordion on the right > side should be fixed, though. > > Regards, > -- > Leo Soto M. > http://blog.leosoto.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry > _______________________________________________ > Jython-dev mailing list > Jyt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev > |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-07-08 05:36:37
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Quick follow-up, I've started to work in a new Twitter display script. I found some javascripts that may do the trick...no PHP needed after all. I will send out a link to the new build once it is ready. Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > Thanks for the responses on this thread, I really appreciate all of the > feedback. I will try to touch upon all of the comments that were made, I > *think* that I can address most of them with the next build. Also, please > keep sending comments as I want to make this site very usable and valuable > to the community....not just to the developers, but to everyone interested > in Jython. I plan to roll out the new site and then continue to make > incremental changes as time goes on...so even if some suggestions are not > included in the new site, perhaps they will be added later on. > Tobias: Thanks for the comments. I agree, I'd like to have an avatar or > name appearing next to each post in the Twitter feed. I found a tool online > (rssinclude) that enabled me to quickly format the Twitter search feed into > what you see on the site. Unfortunately, the feed does not include photos > and the rssinclude tool does not show the name. :( It looks like I'm going > to have to code some PHP for this to work or look for something of the like > on the web...unless you are able to share the neo4j code to save some time. > ;) I am also going to perform the search without the hash(#)...you are > right and I am not quite sure why I included it. Performing the search > without it makes much more sense. > > I can change the "Older Versions" text no problem. I am also going to try > to move the "Search" to the bottom of the screen as opposed to the header. > I think that it may clutter the header up a bit with the download link > there already. Let's see how good it looks if I place the collapsable menu > on top of the search. > > Frank: No problem, I enjoy working on the site...although I should be > writing instead. ;) I just want to get the new site into place, and then I > plan to fine tune and tweak it over time. > > Kay: I'll do some formatting on the text, that shouldn't be a problem. I > am going to change the text of the header elements in the left-hand > navigation bar so that they are white as opposed to orange...that may help. > As far as the "escaping" menu items go, I for one think that it helps to > show that the mouse is actually over the item. If for nothing else, it is > an "accessibility" feature to help those who are not able to see the mouse > very well. If enough people on this list would rather see immobile links in > the navigational pane then I will change it. Let me know...let's take a > vote! Jim has already provided a sufficient commentary on the Jython > logo...we are working on something new but we are not quite there yet. I'd > like to roll out a new site sooner than later, and we can worry about > changing the logo as we go. I appreciate the comments. > > Jim: Thanks for chiming in, it is appreciated as always! > > Alan: Nice logo, I do like it quite a bit. As mentioned previously, Jim > and I were throwing around some ideas as well, but no designs have been made > as yet. We should place all of the logos on a page and vote. Maybe we > should open this up to the public?? Just an idea...not sure how well that > would work. Thanks > > Leo: I agree...the collapsable menu needs to have no left-to-right > scrolling within it! I am going to work on fine-tuning it a bit...thanks > for the comments! > > I am going to work on these changes and then I'll make a new build > available once again for commentary. Thanks for helping > out! I think we're getting there! > > Josh Juneau > jun...@gm... > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > Twitter ID: javajuneau > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Leo Soto M. <leo...@gm...> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jim Baker<jb...@zy...> wrote: >> > We are definitely going to be reworking the logo. >> > >> > But conceptually it's a great one: a Python genie coming out in the >> coffee >> > aroma. And this reaches back to both Greek mythology and history: the >> god >> > Apollo established his Oracle at the site he slew the Python (a dragon). >> In >> > Scientific American 6 years ago there was a fascinating article >> > ( >> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=questioning-the-delphic-o&ref=sciam >> ) >> > suggesting that his priestess at the Oracle, the Pythia, got her visions >> due >> > to the presence of hallucinating vapors in that temple. >> > >> > So there's some interesting potential here :) >> >> Wow, I love how from time to time I learn something completely >> unexpected on a python-related mailing list :) >> >> Back to the topic, I liked this iteration much better -- good job >> Josh! The layout glitches when expanding the accordion on the right >> side should be fixed, though. >> >> Regards, >> -- >> Leo Soto M. >> http://blog.leosoto.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, >> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have >> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full >> prize >> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/blackberry >> _______________________________________________ >> Jython-dev mailing list >> Jyt...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-dev >> > > |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-07-16 21:23:38
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I've released a new build of the jython.org website for your review. I tried to address *most* of the items that were suggested with the previous release. The only questionable item that I see with this new build (besides the old logo) is the location of the search box. Should it be moved to the header or stay where it is at underneath the collapsable menu? I also removed the IRC applet as it needs some further tweaking and I don't want to hold up the release of the site for it. Perhaps it can be included at a later time. Please take a look at this new build when you have a moment and give me your thoughts. Build #3: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b3/index.html Thanks Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > Quick follow-up, I've started to work in a new Twitter display script. I > found some javascripts that may do the trick...no PHP needed after all. > I will send out a link to the new build once it is ready. > > Josh Juneau > jun...@gm... > http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com > Twitter ID: javajuneau > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > >> Thanks for the responses on this thread, I really appreciate all of the >> feedback. I will try to touch upon all of the comments that were made, I >> *think* that I can address most of them with the next build. Also, please >> keep sending comments as I want to make this site very usable and valuable >> to the community....not just to the developers, but to everyone interested >> in Jython. I plan to roll out the new site and then continue to make >> incremental changes as time goes on...so even if some suggestions are not >> included in the new site, perhaps they will be added later on. >> Tobias: Thanks for the comments. I agree, I'd like to have an avatar or >> name appearing next to each post in the Twitter feed. I found a tool online >> (rssinclude) that enabled me to quickly format the Twitter search feed into >> what you see on the site. Unfortunately, the feed does not include photos >> and the rssinclude tool does not show the name. :( It looks like I'm going >> to have to code some PHP for this to work or look for something of the like >> on the web...unless you are able to share the neo4j code to save some time. >> ;) I am also going to perform the search without the hash(#)...you are >> right and I am not quite sure why I included it. Performing the search >> without it makes much more sense. >> >> I can change the "Older Versions" text no problem. I am also going to try >> to move the "Search" to the bottom of the screen as opposed to the header. >> I think that it may clutter the header up a bit with the download link >> there already. Let's see how good it looks if I place the collapsable menu >> on top of the search. >> >> Frank: No problem, I enjoy working on the site...although I should be >> writing instead. ;) I just want to get the new site into place, and then I >> plan to fine tune and tweak it over time. >> >> Kay: I'll do some formatting on the text, that shouldn't be a problem. I >> am going to change the text of the header elements in the left-hand >> navigation bar so that they are white as opposed to orange...that may help. >> As far as the "escaping" menu items go, I for one think that it helps to >> show that the mouse is actually over the item. If for nothing else, it is >> an "accessibility" feature to help those who are not able to see the mouse >> very well. If enough people on this list would rather see immobile links in >> the navigational pane then I will change it. Let me know...let's take a >> vote! Jim has already provided a sufficient commentary on the Jython >> logo...we are working on something new but we are not quite there yet. I'd >> like to roll out a new site sooner than later, and we can worry about >> changing the logo as we go. I appreciate the comments. >> >> Jim: Thanks for chiming in, it is appreciated as always! >> >> Alan: Nice logo, I do like it quite a bit. As mentioned previously, Jim >> and I were throwing around some ideas as well, but no designs have been made >> as yet. We should place all of the logos on a page and vote. Maybe we >> should open this up to the public?? Just an idea...not sure how well that >> would work. Thanks >> >> Leo: I agree...the collapsable menu needs to have no left-to-right >> scrolling within it! I am going to work on fine-tuning it a bit...thanks >> for the comments! >> >> I am going to work on these changes and then I'll make a new build >> available once again for commentary. Thanks for helping >> out! I think we're getting there! >> >> Josh Juneau >> jun...@gm... >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com >> Twitter ID: javajuneau >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Leo Soto M. <leo...@gm...> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jim Baker<jb...@zy...> wrote: >>> > We are definitely going to be reworking the logo. >>> > >>> > But conceptually it's a great one: a Python genie coming out in the >>> coffee >>> > aroma. And this reaches back to both Greek mythology and history: the >>> god >>> > Apollo established his Oracle at the site he slew the Python (a >>> dragon). In >>> > Scientific American 6 years ago there was a fascinating article >>> > ( >>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=questioning-the-delphic-o&ref=sciam >>> ) >>> > suggesting that his priestess at the Oracle, the Pythia, got her >>> visions due >>> > to the presence of hallucinating vapors in that temple. >>> > >>> > So there's some interesting potential here :) >>> >>> Wow, I love how from time to time I learn something completely >>> unexpected on a python-related mailing list :) >>> >>> Back to the topic, I liked this iteration much better -- good job >>> Josh! The layout glitches when expanding the accordion on the right >>> side should be fixed, though. >>> >>> Regards, >>> -- >>> Leo Soto M. >>> http://blog.leosoto.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge >>> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! 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From: Nicholas R. <nj...@ui...> - 2009-07-17 05:42:34
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In article <502...@ma...>, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > I've released a new build of the jython.org website for your review. I > tried to address *most* of the items that were suggested with the previous > release. The only questionable item that I see with this new build (besides > the old logo) is the location of the search box. Should it be moved to the > header or stay where it is at underneath the collapsable menu? > I also removed the IRC applet as it > needs some further tweaking and I don't want to hold up the release of > the site for it. Perhaps it can be included at a later time. > > Please take a look at this new build when you have a moment and give me your > thoughts. > > Build #3: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b3/index.html Suggest you get rid of the letter-spacing in the CSS - it makes the text look very weird, at least in Safari on a Mac. Also, perhaps smaller text for the headings and a bit more space all around - especially the top of the page and the left sidebar looks a bit squashed. The search box should definitely be moved; as is, on smaller screens it requires scrolling to find. -- Nicholas Riley <nj...@ui...> |
From: Kay S. <ka...@fi...> - 2009-07-17 12:08:33
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Here is my critisism, http://www.fiber-space.de/misc/jython-documentation/ Regards, Kay |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-07-18 16:55:52
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Kay- Your sphinx version of the site looks awesome. However, I thought that the overall goal of the site was to get something in-line with that of the likes of jruby.org and I think the sphinx version falls short of that. However, I'd love to use your sphinx jython setup to create our docset for Jython 2.5.0. I've grabbed the Python 2.6 docset and I plan to back port it for our purposes...your sphinx setup would look perfect for integration with the new site. I am working on the margins and think I've got them looking pretty good right now for the next build. I am also working on the type so that it looks cleaner and more like the type on your sphinx version...stay tuned! Not sure why the Sourceforge mailing list site was not working, but we can look at making a google groups front end for the mailing lists perhaps at some point...good idea. I agree with excluding the "Site Updates" on the front page...consider it gone. Also, the older distributions section will be removed as it is repetitive. The idea of the collapsable sidebar is to add convenience for including many different things on the main page and not burying them on the site. I think it needs to stay the way it is, at least for now. Oh yeah, the "Java Implementation of the Python Programming Language" was actually stolen from a few of the great Jython books out there. Namely, 'Charming Jython' and 'Jython for Java Developers'...so I did not make up that tagline. We can change it if you'd prefer. I think that Jim mentioned the possible variant: Jython: Python of the Java Platform Thoughts? Thanks Kay, I do appreciate your feedback! Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Kay Schluehr <ka...@fi...> wrote: > Here is my critisism, > > http://www.fiber-space.de/misc/jython-documentation/ > > Regards, Kay > > |
From: Kay S. <ka...@fi...> - 2009-07-18 20:08:13
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Josh Juneau schrieb: > Kay- > > Your sphinx version of the site looks awesome. However, I thought > that the overall goal of the site was to get something in-line with > that of the likes of jruby.org <http://jruby.org> and I think the > sphinx version falls short of that. However, I'd love to use your > sphinx jython setup to create our docset for Jython 2.5.0. I've > grabbed the Python 2.6 docset and I plan to back port it for our > purposes...your sphinx setup would look perfect for integration with > the new site. I posted the site only to *demonstrate* what I mean and not just talking about it. It was never intended to be a full proposal for the Jython homepage or course. The jruby page looks very much like Web 2.0. The design you present comes closer to the python.org homepage. The question is always: who is the target audience for the homepage? Is it used to attract newbies, startups and other IT companies who consider Jython or is it for regulars and veterans who are interested in the latest news? About the docset: you can check it out from the Jynx project hg clone https://jynx.googlecode.com/hg/ jynx It is in the jynx/jynx-doc folder. I do think it is important to give Jythons documentation some standardized appearance or L&F which can be cloned by subprojects, libraries, frameworks etc. Just like CPython projects are looking like the mother project. This is the right thing to do and people can also expect some convenient usability of the documentation. > I am working on the margins and think I've got them looking pretty > good right now for the next build. I am also working on the type so > that it looks cleaner and more like the type on your sphinx > version...stay tuned! > > Not sure why the Sourceforge mailing list > site was not working, but we can look at making a google groups front end for the mailing lists perhaps at some point...good idea. > > I agree with excluding the "Site Updates" on the front page...consider it gone. > Also, the older distributions section will be removed as it is > repetitive. > > The idea of the collapsable sidebar is to add convenience for > including many different things on the main page and not burying them > on the site. I think it needs to stay the way it is, at least for now. But a great diversity of things causes rather inconvenience. I like the idea that it is about communication. Giving Twitter an appearance was a good idea. But that's it. > Oh yeah, the "Java Implementation of the Python Programming Language" > was actually stolen from a few of the great Jython books out there. > Namely, 'Charming Jython' and 'Jython for Java Developers'...so I did > not make up that tagline. We can change it if you'd prefer. I think > that Jim mentioned the possible variant:Jython: Python of the Java > Platform. Thoughts? I've no major problem with the headline text, just that it was sqeezed in the border for no good reason. I do think people get that the page is about Jython without reading it. > > Thanks Kay, I do appreciate your feedback! Thanks for your feedback too! Kay |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-07-19 13:46:20
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Kay- Thanks for giving me the information about the jynx project, I will definitely use it for the Jython docset. > >> I posted the site only to *demonstrate* what I mean and not just talking > about it. It was never intended to be a full proposal for the Jython > homepage or course. > > The jruby page looks very much like Web 2.0. The design you present comes > closer to the python.org homepage. The question is always: who is the > target audience for the homepage? Is it used to attract newbies, startups > and other IT companies who consider Jython or is it for regulars and > veterans who are interested in the latest news? > I agree, Jruby has much more of a Web 2.0 feel than the new proposed Jython site. I didn't want to stray too far from the overall look and feel of both the Python and IronPython websites and that is why I laid it out similarly. I think that the added Twitter update, collapsible menu, and some of the other characteristics are starting to make the site look more modern. We can always add more features later, but this will be a good starting point. But a great diversity of things causes rather inconvenience. I like the idea > that it is about communication. Giving Twitter an appearance was a good > idea. But that's it. I don't know if I agree, but if others also want the collapsible sidebar to be focused on communication only then I will move the other content into the left-hand menu. I just don't want to clutter the left-hand menu too much and also do not want to bury information into the website. Trying to make it easy with the collapsible menu. Thanks again Kay, I'll get the documentation set going after the site has been released. The book is also taking lots of my time right now, but I should have more time to work on this soon. Best |
From: Josh J. <jun...@gm...> - 2009-07-21 10:11:41
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I've released another build of the new proposed jython.org site. Focuses for this release: - Type has been reworked - Changed tagline to Jython: Python for the Java Platform - Altered padding around body - Moved search to top of page and repositioned download link Build #4: http://www.jython.org/newsite_b4/index.html Thanks for everyone's feedback. Let me know your thoughts on this build. After the site has been released I plan to use Kay's sphinx setup for building our docset. Best Josh Juneau jun...@gm... http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com Twitter ID: javajuneau On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Josh Juneau <jun...@gm...> wrote: > Kay- > Thanks for giving me the information about the jynx project, I will > definitely use it for the Jython docset. > >> >>> I posted the site only to *demonstrate* what I mean and not just talking >> about it. It was never intended to be a full proposal for the Jython >> homepage or course. >> >> The jruby page looks very much like Web 2.0. The design you present comes >> closer to the python.org homepage. The question is always: who is the >> target audience for the homepage? Is it used to attract newbies, startups >> and other IT companies who consider Jython or is it for regulars and >> veterans who are interested in the latest news? >> > > I agree, Jruby has much more of a Web 2.0 feel than the new proposed Jython site. I didn't want to stray too far from the overall look and feel of both the Python and IronPython websites and that is why I laid it out similarly. I think that the added Twitter update, collapsible menu, > and some of the other characteristics are starting to make the site look > more modern. We can always add more features later, but this will be a good > starting point. > > But a great diversity of things causes rather inconvenience. I like the >> idea that it is about communication. Giving Twitter an appearance was a good >> idea. But that's it. > > > I don't know if I agree, but if others also want the collapsible sidebar to > be focused on communication only then I will move the other content into the > left-hand menu. I just don't want to clutter the left-hand menu too much > and also do not want to bury information into the > website. Trying to make it easy with the collapsible menu. > > > Thanks again Kay, I'll get the documentation set going after the site has been released. The book is also taking lots of my time right now, but I should have more time to work on this soon. > > Best > > |