From: Eric M. <em...@mi...> - 2011-03-27 22:23:03
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Firefox 4.0 has some improvements, but also some serious problems vis a vis Jmol on Macs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are my observations with Firefox 4.0 on Mac OS 10.5.8 "Leopard" (no snow), with Apple java 1.5.0_28. I DO NOT HAVE A SNOW LEOPARD (OS 10.6) SYSTEM and would appreciate hearing about the issues below from a Snow Leopard user. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TEXT ZOOM View, Zoom no longer causes Jmol to be wrong-sized. This old problem is fixed. I prefer to check "Zoom Text Only" because I like larger than default text, but I don't need Jmol to be larger than life. APPLET FOCUS BORDER Good: a new dotted line appears around Jmol when it has focus. (This does not appear in Safari.) CURSOR FAILS TO CHANGE IN APPLET The cursor no longer changes in the applet: placing the cursor at the right margin of Jmol (for zooming) fails to change it, as does holding the Shift key down for zooming. The cursor changes still work in Safari. APPLET MENU PROBLEM Serious problem with Jmol's menu: when you move the mouse outside the boundaries of Jmol, the menu closes. This precludes using most of the menu when it is raised by clicking on the "Jmol" frank. RIGHT CLICK: MENU OFTEN FAILS IN JMOL 11.8 I have intermittant problems raising Jmol's menu with right click in Jmol 11.8 (still used in FirstGlance and in Proteopedia). Right click never works from the upper left corner of Jmol. This means that it is rather challenging to open the Console or see "About Jmol"! But right click works reliably in Jmol 12.1.41, even in the upper left corner. RAISING APPLET TITLE BAR Under the right conditions, pressing the Cmd key raises a title bar above Jmol. (Thanks to Jaim Prilusky for discovering this.) The only feature I have found this title bar to have is that you can drag Jmol with it, detaching Jmol from the Firefox 4.0 window. This leaves the original Jmol rectangle blank. If you close the detached Jmol window, the molecule reappears in the original rectangle within the Firefox window. Even when detached, all scripts sent to Jmol from the Firefox window via javascript still work! In order to raise the title bar at the top of the applet, I must first click outside, then inside Jmol, then press Cmd. This works only once. For a second go, you again must click outside, then inside again. Further, as soon as you move the mouse, the bar disappears. So, to use the title bar, I must pay attention to have my mouse very close to the top of Jmol when I press Cmd. Then I can move the mouse into the title bar, click and drag Jmol. The title bar seems to be a feature of Firefox 4's interaction with java. I could not find any documentation for this online. In Safari, there is no title bar, and no applet focus border. There appears to be no title bar in Windows in Firefox 4 (see below). JMOL OUTSIDE BROWSER WINDOW Moving Jmol outside the browser window (with the title bar) means you can scroll the text without pushing Jmol out of view. Another use is that you can have two FirstGlance in Jmol sessions, detach the Jmol from one, and move it for a side by side comparison with the other Jmol. Both sessions retain control of their Jmols. MENU WORKS BETTER WITH DETACHED JMOL Detaching Jmol has a big advantage for using the Menu: now you can move the mouse outside of Jmol and the menu remains usable. This works regardless of whether the detached Jmol is inside the Firefox window, or outside it. BLANKING BETWEEN SCENES IS ALMOST GONE! If Firefox 3.6.15 (and all earlier versions), changing the scene in FirstGlance caused Jmol to go blank white before the new scene appears. This was very annoying. Also, double clicking to measure distances often failed, and often temporarily froze Jmol. (FirstGlance is using Jmol 11.8.22; Proteopedia, 11.8.24.) In Proteopedia, the 'toggle spin' and 'toggle quality' buttons cause blank white flashes. Also, when you scroll the page (and Jmol moves with the page), Jmol blanks white until you stop scrolling. None of these problems happened in Safari. In Firefox 4.0, almost all the blank flashes are gone! Except that I do get a white flash (in Jmol 11.8) or a black flash (in Jmol 12.1.41) when changing focus from Jmol to outside Jmol and vice versa. This is pretty minor. Also measuring distances now works reliably in FirstGlance! ------------ WINDOWS XP ------------ In Windows XP (with current java 1.6.0_24), in Firefox 4.0, right click raises Jmol's menu reliably from anywhere in Jmol even in Jmol 11.8, and moving outside Jmol does NOT close the menu prematurely. I could not find any key (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Windows) or any pair of keys that raises the applet title bar seen in Firefox (but not seen in Safari) on the Mac OS 10.5.8. This was true both in virtual WinXP in Parallels on the Mac, and in a real WinXP computer. -Eric |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2011-03-27 22:52:19
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Hi Eric I'm no Mac person, as you know, but one of your descriptions ticked a neuron. Long time ago, I read that one of the new Java updates was bringing the possibility of detachable applets. At that time, I tried it and it worked for Jmol (tweaking the Jmol.js, I guess). Then I lost interest. The description of your top title bar and dragging Jmol out of the browser sounds exactly the same I saw then. So it's a JVM feature that somehow MacFf4 has unearthed. My message is: if you like the feature, I think I may be possible to impose it for other OSs and browsers. I'm afraid I don't have a sample page located now, and it's time for bed and I have urgent work to do these weeks, but I can give you a hint if you need it along the next days. Have fun, Angel |
From: Philip B. <pb...@sa...> - 2011-03-28 14:27:47
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Eric. Can you provide an example link to look at? I have the latest OS, Java, and Firefox. Jonathan: What OS, Java, and Firefox versions are you using. I see some of what you are seeing, but not sure. On Mar 27, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Eric Martz wrote: > Firefox 4.0 has some improvements, but also some serious problems vis > a vis Jmol on Macs. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Here are my observations with Firefox 4.0 on Mac OS 10.5.8 "Leopard" (no snow), > with Apple java 1.5.0_28. I DO NOT HAVE A SNOW LEOPARD (OS 10.6) > SYSTEM and would > appreciate hearing about the issues below from a Snow Leopard user. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > TEXT ZOOM > View, Zoom no longer causes Jmol to be wrong-sized. This old problem > is fixed. I prefer to check "Zoom Text Only" because I like larger > than default text, but I don't need Jmol to be larger than life. > > APPLET FOCUS BORDER > Good: a new dotted line appears around Jmol when it has focus. (This > does not appear in Safari.) > > CURSOR FAILS TO CHANGE IN APPLET > The cursor no longer changes in the applet: placing the cursor at the > right margin of Jmol (for zooming) fails to change it, as does > holding the Shift key down for zooming. The cursor changes still work > in Safari. > > APPLET MENU PROBLEM > Serious problem with Jmol's menu: when you move the mouse outside the > boundaries of Jmol, the menu closes. This precludes using most of the > menu when it is raised by clicking on the "Jmol" frank. > > RIGHT CLICK: MENU OFTEN FAILS IN JMOL 11.8 > I have intermittant problems raising Jmol's menu with right click in > Jmol 11.8 (still used in FirstGlance and in Proteopedia). Right click > never works from the upper left corner of Jmol. This means that it is > rather challenging to open the Console or see "About Jmol"! But right > click works reliably in Jmol 12.1.41, even in the upper left corner. > > RAISING APPLET TITLE BAR > Under the right conditions, pressing the Cmd key raises a title bar > above Jmol. (Thanks to Jaim Prilusky for discovering this.) The only > feature I have found this title bar to have is that you can drag Jmol > with it, detaching Jmol from the Firefox 4.0 window. This leaves the > original Jmol rectangle blank. If you close the detached Jmol window, > the molecule reappears in the original rectangle within the Firefox window. > > Even when detached, all scripts sent to Jmol from the Firefox window > via javascript still work! > > In order to raise the title bar at the top of the applet, I must > first click outside, then inside Jmol, then press Cmd. This works > only once. For a second go, you again must click outside, then inside > again. Further, as soon as you move the mouse, the bar disappears. > So, to use the title bar, I must pay attention to have my mouse very > close to the top of Jmol when I press Cmd. Then I can move the mouse > into the title bar, click and drag Jmol. > > The title bar seems to be a feature of Firefox 4's interaction with > java. I could not find any documentation for this online. In Safari, > there is no title bar, and no applet focus border. There appears to > be no title bar in Windows in Firefox 4 (see below). > > JMOL OUTSIDE BROWSER WINDOW > Moving Jmol outside the browser window (with the title bar) means you > can scroll the text without pushing Jmol out of view. > > Another use is that you can have two FirstGlance in Jmol sessions, > detach the Jmol from one, and move it for a side by side comparison > with the other Jmol. Both sessions retain control of their Jmols. > > MENU WORKS BETTER WITH DETACHED JMOL > Detaching Jmol has a big advantage for using the Menu: now you can > move the mouse outside of Jmol and the menu remains usable. This > works regardless of whether the detached Jmol is inside the Firefox > window, or outside it. > > BLANKING BETWEEN SCENES IS ALMOST GONE! > If Firefox 3.6.15 (and all earlier versions), changing the scene in > FirstGlance caused Jmol to go blank white before the new scene > appears. This was very annoying. Also, double clicking to measure > distances often failed, and often temporarily froze Jmol. > (FirstGlance is using Jmol 11.8.22; Proteopedia, 11.8.24.) In > Proteopedia, the 'toggle spin' and 'toggle quality' buttons cause > blank white flashes. Also, when you scroll the page (and Jmol moves > with the page), Jmol blanks white until you stop scrolling. > > None of these problems happened in Safari. > > In Firefox 4.0, almost all the blank flashes are gone! Except that I > do get a white flash (in Jmol 11.8) or a black flash (in Jmol > 12.1.41) when changing focus from Jmol to outside Jmol and vice > versa. This is pretty minor. Also measuring distances now works > reliably in FirstGlance! > > ------------ > WINDOWS XP > ------------ > In Windows XP (with current java 1.6.0_24), in Firefox 4.0, right > click raises Jmol's menu reliably from anywhere in Jmol even in Jmol > 11.8, and moving outside Jmol does NOT close the menu prematurely. I > could not find any key (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Windows) or any pair of > keys that raises the applet title bar seen in Firefox (but not seen > in Safari) on the Mac OS 10.5.8. This was true both in virtual WinXP > in Parallels on the Mac, and in a real WinXP computer. > > -Eric > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the > growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses > are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software > be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker > today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar > _______________________________________________ > Jmol-users mailing list > Jmo...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users J. Philip Bays Professor of Chemistry Department of Chemistry and Physics Saint Mary's College Notre Dame, IN 46556 pb...@sa... |
From: Eric M. <em...@mi...> - 2011-03-28 21:15:12
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Philip: The behaviors I described are independent of the website. I confirmed all behaviors in various examples at the Jmol script docs (http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/) (latest Jmol), as well as in FirstGlance (http://firstglance.jmol.org) or Proteopedia (http://proteopedia.org) (both of which use Jmol 11.8.x). At 3/28/11, Philip Bays wrote: >Eric. Can you provide an example link to look at? I have the >latest OS, Java, and Firefox. > >Jonathan: What OS, Java, and Firefox versions are you using. I see >some of what you are seeing, but not sure. > > >On Mar 27, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Eric Martz wrote: > > > Firefox 4.0 has some improvements, but also some serious problems vis > > a vis Jmol on Macs. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Here are my observations with Firefox 4.0 on Mac OS 10.5.8 > "Leopard" (no snow), > > with Apple java 1.5.0_28. I DO NOT HAVE A SNOW LEOPARD (OS 10.6) > > SYSTEM and would > > appreciate hearing about the issues below from a Snow Leopard user. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > TEXT ZOOM > > View, Zoom no longer causes Jmol to be wrong-sized. This old problem > > is fixed. I prefer to check "Zoom Text Only" because I like larger > > than default text, but I don't need Jmol to be larger than life. > > > > APPLET FOCUS BORDER > > Good: a new dotted line appears around Jmol when it has focus. (This > > does not appear in Safari.) > > > > CURSOR FAILS TO CHANGE IN APPLET > > The cursor no longer changes in the applet: placing the cursor at the > > right margin of Jmol (for zooming) fails to change it, as does > > holding the Shift key down for zooming. The cursor changes still work > > in Safari. > > > > APPLET MENU PROBLEM > > Serious problem with Jmol's menu: when you move the mouse outside the > > boundaries of Jmol, the menu closes. This precludes using most of the > > menu when it is raised by clicking on the "Jmol" frank. > > > > RIGHT CLICK: MENU OFTEN FAILS IN JMOL 11.8 > > I have intermittant problems raising Jmol's menu with right click in > > Jmol 11.8 (still used in FirstGlance and in Proteopedia). Right click > > never works from the upper left corner of Jmol. This means that it is > > rather challenging to open the Console or see "About Jmol"! But right > > click works reliably in Jmol 12.1.41, even in the upper left corner. > > > > RAISING APPLET TITLE BAR > > Under the right conditions, pressing the Cmd key raises a title bar > > above Jmol. (Thanks to Jaim Prilusky for discovering this.) The only > > feature I have found this title bar to have is that you can drag Jmol > > with it, detaching Jmol from the Firefox 4.0 window. This leaves the > > original Jmol rectangle blank. If you close the detached Jmol window, > > the molecule reappears in the original rectangle within the Firefox window. > > > > Even when detached, all scripts sent to Jmol from the Firefox window > > via javascript still work! > > > > In order to raise the title bar at the top of the applet, I must > > first click outside, then inside Jmol, then press Cmd. This works > > only once. For a second go, you again must click outside, then inside > > again. Further, as soon as you move the mouse, the bar disappears. > > So, to use the title bar, I must pay attention to have my mouse very > > close to the top of Jmol when I press Cmd. Then I can move the mouse > > into the title bar, click and drag Jmol. > > > > The title bar seems to be a feature of Firefox 4's interaction with > > java. I could not find any documentation for this online. In Safari, > > there is no title bar, and no applet focus border. There appears to > > be no title bar in Windows in Firefox 4 (see below). > > > > JMOL OUTSIDE BROWSER WINDOW > > Moving Jmol outside the browser window (with the title bar) means you > > can scroll the text without pushing Jmol out of view. > > > > Another use is that you can have two FirstGlance in Jmol sessions, > > detach the Jmol from one, and move it for a side by side comparison > > with the other Jmol. Both sessions retain control of their Jmols. > > > > MENU WORKS BETTER WITH DETACHED JMOL > > Detaching Jmol has a big advantage for using the Menu: now you can > > move the mouse outside of Jmol and the menu remains usable. This > > works regardless of whether the detached Jmol is inside the Firefox > > window, or outside it. > > > > BLANKING BETWEEN SCENES IS ALMOST GONE! > > If Firefox 3.6.15 (and all earlier versions), changing the scene in > > FirstGlance caused Jmol to go blank white before the new scene > > appears. This was very annoying. Also, double clicking to measure > > distances often failed, and often temporarily froze Jmol. > > (FirstGlance is using Jmol 11.8.22; Proteopedia, 11.8.24.) In > > Proteopedia, the 'toggle spin' and 'toggle quality' buttons cause > > blank white flashes. Also, when you scroll the page (and Jmol moves > > with the page), Jmol blanks white until you stop scrolling. > > > > None of these problems happened in Safari. > > > > In Firefox 4.0, almost all the blank flashes are gone! Except that I > > do get a white flash (in Jmol 11.8) or a black flash (in Jmol > > 12.1.41) when changing focus from Jmol to outside Jmol and vice > > versa. This is pretty minor. Also measuring distances now works > > reliably in FirstGlance! > > > > ------------ > > WINDOWS XP > > ------------ > > In Windows XP (with current java 1.6.0_24), in Firefox 4.0, right > > click raises Jmol's menu reliably from anywhere in Jmol even in Jmol > > 11.8, and moving outside Jmol does NOT close the menu prematurely. I > > could not find any key (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Windows) or any pair of > > keys that raises the applet title bar seen in Firefox (but not seen > > in Safari) on the Mac OS 10.5.8. This was true both in virtual WinXP > > in Parallels on the Mac, and in a real WinXP computer. > > > > -Eric > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the > > growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses > > are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software > > be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker > > today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar > > _______________________________________________ > > Jmol-users mailing list > > Jmo...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users > >J. Philip Bays >Professor of Chemistry >Department of Chemistry and Physics >Saint Mary's College >Notre Dame, IN 46556 >pb...@sa... > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the >growing manageability and security demands of your customers. Businesses >are taking advantage of Intel(R) vPro (TM) technology - will your software >be a part of the solution? Download the Intel(R) Manageability Checker >today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmar >_______________________________________________ >Jmol-users mailing list >Jmo...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users |
From: Jason G. <jas...@cr...> - 2011-03-29 15:06:04
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On 3/27/11 5:22 PM, Eric Martz wrote: > Firefox 4.0 has some improvements, but also some serious problems vis > a vis Jmol on Macs. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Here are my observations with Firefox 4.0 on Mac OS 10.5.8 "Leopard" (no snow), > with Apple java 1.5.0_28. I DO NOT HAVE A SNOW LEOPARD (OS 10.6) > SYSTEM and would > appreciate hearing about the issues below from a Snow Leopard user. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am running Snow Leopard (10.6.6) and Firefox 4.0 (all extensions disabled). My observations are noted inline below. I performed these experiments on http://jmol.sourceforge.net/demo/atoms/ (which says it is Jmol 12.1.30). > > TEXT ZOOM > View, Zoom no longer causes Jmol to be wrong-sized. This old problem > is fixed. I prefer to check "Zoom Text Only" because I like larger > than default text, but I don't need Jmol to be larger than life. > I'm not sure what the old problem is, so I don't know what to test here. > APPLET FOCUS BORDER > Good: a new dotted line appears around Jmol when it has focus. (This > does not appear in Safari.) I see the dotted border. > > CURSOR FAILS TO CHANGE IN APPLET > The cursor no longer changes in the applet: placing the cursor at the > right margin of Jmol (for zooming) fails to change it, as does > holding the Shift key down for zooming. The cursor changes still work > in Safari. Same here on all accounts. > > APPLET MENU PROBLEM > Serious problem with Jmol's menu: when you move the mouse outside the > boundaries of Jmol, the menu closes. This precludes using most of the > menu when it is raised by clicking on the "Jmol" frank. When I right-click on the applet and move my mouse outside of the Jmol frame, the menu stays up, as well as when I click on the "Jmol" in the lower right of the applet. When I roll over the part of the menu inside the applet, the submenu selection keeps up with the current mouse position. However, when my mouse moves to the part of the menu outside of the applet, the submenu selection no longer keeps updating, and I have to specifically click on a submenu item to see the submenu. > > RIGHT CLICK: MENU OFTEN FAILS IN JMOL 11.8 > I have intermittant problems raising Jmol's menu with right click in > Jmol 11.8 (still used in FirstGlance and in Proteopedia). Right click > never works from the upper left corner of Jmol. This means that it is > rather challenging to open the Console or see "About Jmol"! But right > click works reliably in Jmol 12.1.41, even in the upper left corner. Right-clicking brings up the menu consistently. > > RAISING APPLET TITLE BAR > Under the right conditions, pressing the Cmd key raises a title bar > above Jmol. (Thanks to Jaim Prilusky for discovering this.) The only > feature I have found this title bar to have is that you can drag Jmol > with it, detaching Jmol from the Firefox 4.0 window. This leaves the > original Jmol rectangle blank. If you close the detached Jmol window, > the molecule reappears in the original rectangle within the Firefox window. Same here on all accounts. It seems that the titlebar comes up when I press command and then move the mouse inside the applet (though this doesn't happen consistently, either). Sometimes as the mouse moves, the titlebar jumps around to the current mouse position. Sometimes the titlebar also disappears, making it difficult to grab it and drag the applet off of the page. When the applet is dragged off of the page, it doesn't appear as a separate window in the window manager (e.g., I can't do command-` to shift focus to the window). That means that if the window happens to get hidden by another window, I have to close the other window to access it. I notice the same inaccessibility with the console window, which is particularly confusing since sometimes the console window appears behind the browser window, but then I don't have a way of getting to it except by moving the browser window. > > Even when detached, all scripts sent to Jmol from the Firefox window > via javascript still work! Yep, same here. > > In order to raise the title bar at the top of the applet, I must > first click outside, then inside Jmol, then press Cmd. This works > only once. For a second go, you again must click outside, then inside > again. Further, as soon as you move the mouse, the bar disappears. > So, to use the title bar, I must pay attention to have my mouse very > close to the top of Jmol when I press Cmd. Then I can move the mouse > into the title bar, click and drag Jmol. > > The title bar seems to be a feature of Firefox 4's interaction with > java. I could not find any documentation for this online. In Safari, > there is no title bar, and no applet focus border. There appears to > be no title bar in Windows in Firefox 4 (see below). > I also see this draggable titlebar in Chrome 10.0.648.204 on the same system, though Chrome makes the titlebar appear more consistently and not disappear like Firefox does. > MENU WORKS BETTER WITH DETACHED JMOL > Detaching Jmol has a big advantage for using the Menu: now you can > move the mouse outside of Jmol and the menu remains usable. This > works regardless of whether the detached Jmol is inside the Firefox > window, or outside it. Same here. > > BLANKING BETWEEN SCENES IS ALMOST GONE! > If Firefox 3.6.15 (and all earlier versions), changing the scene in > FirstGlance caused Jmol to go blank white before the new scene > appears. This was very annoying. Also, double clicking to measure > distances often failed, and often temporarily froze Jmol. > (FirstGlance is using Jmol 11.8.22; Proteopedia, 11.8.24.) In > Proteopedia, the 'toggle spin' and 'toggle quality' buttons cause > blank white flashes. Also, when you scroll the page (and Jmol moves > with the page), Jmol blanks white until you stop scrolling. > > None of these problems happened in Safari. > > In Firefox 4.0, almost all the blank flashes are gone! Except that I > do get a white flash (in Jmol 11.8) or a black flash (in Jmol > 12.1.41) when changing focus from Jmol to outside Jmol and vice > versa. This is pretty minor. Also measuring distances now works > reliably in FirstGlance! Sorry; I don't know what to do to test these since I mainly use Jmol in Sage and have never used it in Proteopedia or FirstGlance. Thanks, Jason -- Jason Grout |
From: Jason G. <jas...@cr...> - 2011-03-29 15:12:24
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On 3/29/11 10:05 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > When the applet is dragged off of the page, it doesn't appear as a > separate window in the window manager (e.g., I can't do command-` to > shift focus to the window). That means that if the window happens to > get hidden by another window, I have to close the other window to access > it. I notice the same inaccessibility with the console window, which is > particularly confusing since sometimes the console window appears behind > the browser window, but then I don't have a way of getting to it except > by moving the browser window. I just realized that when the applet is dragged off of the html page, it makes a separate app window (accessible via the command-tab switching), not a separate window in Firefox. So the separated Jmol is still accessible via the window manager after all. Thanks, Jason |
From: Eric M. <em...@mi...> - 2011-03-30 19:47:10
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Dear Jason, Thanks for your detailed report for Snow Leopard OS 10.6! Interesting that Jmol's menus work better in OS 10.6 than in 10.5 Also interesting that Chrome works. Someday I'll get motivated to upgrade to Snow Leopard, I suppose ... Please note that Expose "All Windows" also enables you to retrieve the Jmol Console or a detached Jmol when it gets hidden behind another window. Chrome: PROTEOPEDIA fails: It thinks java is disabled but it is not. I suspect this may be a problem with the java detection routine in Proteopedia. FIRSTGLANCE seems to work fine. The atoms demo page at Jmol.Org works fine (http://jmol.sourceforge.net/demo/atoms/). Here are my results for Chrome current version (10.0.648.204) with Jmol 12.1.30, Apple Java 1.5.0_28, OS 10.5.8. ZOOM TEXT There is no "Zoom Text Only" in the View menu, so enlarging text also enlarges Jmol. I like Firefox better in this regard. RIGHT CLICK raises the menu reliably with this version of Jmol in both Chrome and Firefox. MENU REMAINS USABLE when you move the mouse outside Jmol (it vanishes in Firefox). BUT I FOUND A NEW TRICK FOR FIREFOX: Raise the menu, move the mouse inside the menu, click down but to not let up. Now you can go anywhere in the menu. When you let up the mouse click, the action where the mouse is occurs. NO APPLET FOCUS BORDER in Chrome (Firefox has one). CURSOR FAILS TO CHANGE IN APPLET when at right border for zooming, or holding down Shift key for zooming (same in Firefox). RAISING THE APPLET TITLE BAR TO DETACH APPLET suffers from the most of the same pecularities in Chrome as I reported for Firefox. Except the title bar does NOT disappear while you move the mouse a long distance to it. -Eric At 3/29/11, Jason Grout wrote: >On 3/29/11 10:05 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > > When the applet is dragged off of the page, it doesn't appear as a > > separate window in the window manager (e.g., I can't do command-` to > > shift focus to the window). That means that if the window happens to > > get hidden by another window, I have to close the other window to access > > it. I notice the same inaccessibility with the console window, which is > > particularly confusing since sometimes the console window appears behind > > the browser window, but then I don't have a way of getting to it except > > by moving the browser window. > >I just realized that when the applet is dragged off of the html page, it >makes a separate app window (accessible via the command-tab switching), >not a separate window in Firefox. > >So the separated Jmol is still accessible via the window manager after all. > >Thanks, > >Jason |
From: A. H. <ang...@ua...> - 2011-03-30 22:12:30
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On 30 Mar 2011 at 14:46, Eric Martz wrote: > Chrome: > PROTEOPEDIA fails: It thinks java is disabled but it is not. I > suspect this may be a problem with the java detection routine in Proteopedia. Eric, this may be a known problem I detected some time ago with browser detection in Jmol.js, together with a recent change in Chrome handling of applets. It affects Chrome/Mac (and reportedly should affect Safari/Mac also whenever it is updated to the same engine version). The problem was fixed by me in an update of Jmol.js somewhere in the 12.x series, but I see that Proteopedia is still using 11.8 I haven't got the time to recollect details now, but basically it is that Chrome and Safari will be using the applet tag rather than the object tag, and Chrome behaviour for applets has changed. It should be documented inside Jmol.js, if I remember correctly. There was also some discussion about it on the email list. So the fix is either upgrade Proetopedia to use Jmol 12 (I guess you don't want to do that lightly) or to patch the Jmol.js it is using with the fix. If you need help, pelase let me know |