From: Florian B. <fl...@fb...> - 2006-05-28 08:52:09
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Hi, since I do not check the CVS regulary, has there been any progress on the meters lately? Thanks, Florian |
From: Jan D. <evi...@ca...> - 2006-05-28 19:58:51
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On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 09:06 +0200, Florian Berger wrote: > Hi, > since I do not check the CVS regulary, has there been any progress on > the meters lately? > Still waiting for Steve to take a look. -- Jan 'Evil Twin' Depner The Fuzzy Dice http://myweb.cableone.net/eviltwin69/fuzzy.html "As we enjoy great advantages from the invention of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours, and this we should do freely and generously." Benjamin Franklin, on declining patents offered by the governor of Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744 |
From: Steve H. <S.W...@ec...> - 2006-05-29 17:14:59
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On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 02:51:05 -0500, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 09:06 +0200, Florian Berger wrote: > > Hi, > > since I do not check the CVS regulary, has there been any progress on > > the meters lately? > > > > Still waiting for Steve to take a look. Yeah, that aint going to happen anytime soon I'm afraid. Keep buggin me about it, and I'l look at it when I have a free moment, and I remmber I've still not done it. - Steve |
From: Daniel J. <da...@64...> - 2006-05-30 14:14:46
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Hi Steve, > Yeah, that aint going to happen anytime soon I'm afraid. I bet they're keeping you really busy at your new place :-) Before implementing any new meters, have you read about Bob Katz's K-System for metering? http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_page_id=59 I've noticed a couple of proprietary mastering applications have introduced support for it recently. Cheers! Daniel |
From: Steve H. <S.W...@ec...> - 2006-05-30 15:10:13
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On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:14:38PM +0100, Daniel James wrote: > Hi Steve, > > >Yeah, that aint going to happen anytime soon I'm afraid. > > I bet they're keeping you really busy at your new place :-) Yeah, no joke :( > Before implementing any new meters, have you read about Bob Katz's > K-System for metering? > > http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_page_id=59 Yes, thats what inspired the request. - Steve |
From: Daniel J. <da...@64...> - 2006-05-30 15:31:05
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Hi Steve, >>Before implementing any new meters, have you read about Bob Katz's >>K-System for metering? >> >>http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_page_id=59 > > Yes, thats what inspired the request. Cool. I see you've got to get hold of a hardware SPL level meter to set it up properly, but it seems like a step in the right direction. I've been wondering about this monitor calibration malarkey. Surely if you have a known audio interface with a built-in phantom power pre-amp (e.g. Focusrite Saffire) and a known condenser microphone, it should be possible to set both monitor level and room correcting EQ through software something like Jamin? It seems a little crazy to put all that extra hardware into the monitor speakers themselves, when the computer they are connected to is more than capable of running a little DSP. However, I suppose it helps sell new self-calibrating monitors :-) Cheers! Daniel |
From: Steve H. <S.W...@ec...> - 2006-05-30 16:36:16
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On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:30:59PM +0100, Daniel James wrote: > Hi Steve, > > >>Before implementing any new meters, have you read about Bob Katz's > >>K-System for metering? > >> > >>http://www.digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_page_id=59 > > > >Yes, thats what inspired the request. > > Cool. I see you've got to get hold of a hardware SPL level meter to set > it up properly, but it seems like a step in the right direction. > > I've been wondering about this monitor calibration malarkey. Surely if > you have a known audio interface with a built-in phantom power pre-amp > (e.g. Focusrite Saffire) and a known condenser microphone, it should be > possible to set both monitor level and room correcting EQ through > software something like Jamin? It seems a little crazy to put all that > extra hardware into the monitor speakers themselves, when the computer > they are connected to is more than capable of running a little DSP. > However, I suppose it helps sell new self-calibrating monitors :-) My suspicssion is that rooms, montors and microhones all have a lot of variablility in them, and handled SPL meters are cheap :) - Steve |
From: Florian B. <fl...@fb...> - 2006-05-30 20:47:30
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Hi again, Daniel James <da...@64...>: > > Surely if you have a known audio interface with > a built-in phantom power pre-amp (e.g. Focusrite Saffire) > and a known condenser microphone, it should be > possible to set both monitor level and room correcting > EQ through software something like Jamin? Well, I think you are mixing up things here. JAMin and other mastering tools are used to tweak levels _within_ the digital 16/24/whatever bit audio, but _not_ outside. You can not simply leave out a monitor gain stage in the signal flow and hand it's job over to the mastering tool. The monitor gain determines the translation of the digital signal level (tweaked in JAMin) into the sound pressure level produced by the speakers. Thus calibration is no malarkey. It is a very clever suggestion to freeze this translation to a fixed ratio, thus forcing the engineer to produce a healthy and meaningful signal within the digital audio. > It seems a little crazy to put all that > extra hardware into the monitor speakers themselves, > when the computer they are connected to is more than > capable of running a little DSP. You do not need extra hardware. All you need is a gain stage. i.e. an amplifier, and you need that anyway to use a monitor, be it active or passive. Best regards, Florian Berger, Leipzig, Germany |
From: Florian B. <fl...@fb...> - 2006-05-30 20:29:41
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Hi Daniel and all, Am Tue, 30 May 2006 15:14:38 +0100 schrieb Daniel James <da...@64...>: > > Before implementing any new meters, have you read about Bob Katz's > K-System for metering? That was on my mind when I first made the cautious request for RMS meters with configurable color areas a couple of weeks ago. Gee am I happy to learn that I am not alone promoting Katz' ideas. ;-) If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that a JAMin meter as mentioned above can easily be turned into a K-12/14/20 meter. That's what I am waiting for. :) Florian |
From: Daniel J. <da...@64...> - 2006-05-31 08:59:24
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Hi Florian, > If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that a JAMin meter as mentioned > above can easily be turned into a K-12/14/20 meter. Maybe you could start by creating a stand-alone K system meter, in the style of Jack Meterbridge. Then when you've got it working really well, propose it for inclusion in Jamin. Cheers! Daniel |