From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 04:18:10
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Can someone recommend a good, relatively cheap, JTAG debugger for the gumstix? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Doug S. <do...@pr...> - 2005-11-10 05:26:38
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Frank wrote: > Can someone recommend a good, relatively cheap, JTAG debugger > for the gumstix? I have a list of JTAG adapters here http://www.proficio.ca/#JTAG-Resources It is possible to use a cheap parallel port adapter (ie Olimex) even home made, but it seems many people have problems with this setup. Sometimes it's due to strange parallel port behavior or port configuration, sometimes it involves the wiring of the signals to proto boards (wires must be short, solder joints must be good etc). And the parallel adapters are slow. But you can program flash and connect to debuggers etc. Quite a few people seem to like the amontec chameleon pod, they have a package for 159 euro. Most people are looking for USB adapters though, since laptops generally don't have parallel ports anymore, and USB is a lot faster. I can't speak from experience but Rowley's CrossConnect looks decent for 99 euro, and I see a linux driver there. http://www.rowley.co.uk/arm/CrossConnect.htm On the topic of JTAG, these TI chips sure look interesting. They have JTAG masters with 8-bit microcontroller interfaces. They take care of all necessary buffering, and they have a multiplexing protocol that allows chaining many on a passive backplane. http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Texas%20Instruments/Web%20data/SN74LVT8980A.pdf Mate that with a USB microcontroller (ie LPC2148) and it would make a nice test/debug environment. The controlled/buffered chaining would also allow some system level debugging (connect to multiple processors on one board or even multiple boards). Another interesting chip is the old FTDI USB-Serial in a new version with a special bus (MPSSE) that includes interfacing JTAG and SPI. http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/FT2232C.htm http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/AppNotes/AN2232C-01_MPSSE_Cmnd_11.pdf They also have a JTAG DLL for it http://www.ftdichip.com/FTProjects.htm -- Doug |
From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 05:49:45
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Thanks, Thats a lot of good information. I was also looking for advice from people who have actually used any of these. I'm used to the BDI200 for PPC, but this money is coming out of my own pocket and I don't want dish out 2k right now... --- Doug Sutherland <do...@pr...> wrote: > Frank wrote: > > > Can someone recommend a good, relatively cheap, JTAG > debugger > > for the gumstix? > > I have a list of JTAG adapters here > http://www.proficio.ca/#JTAG-Resources > > It is possible to use a cheap parallel port adapter (ie > Olimex) > even home made, but it seems many people have problems with > this > setup. Sometimes it's due to strange parallel port behavior or > port configuration, sometimes it involves the wiring of the > signals to proto boards (wires must be short, solder joints > must be good etc). And the parallel adapters are slow. But you > can program flash and connect to debuggers etc. Quite a few > people seem to like the amontec chameleon pod, they have a > package for 159 euro. > > Most people are looking for USB adapters though, since laptops > generally don't have parallel ports anymore, and USB is a lot > faster. I can't speak from experience but Rowley's > CrossConnect > looks decent for 99 euro, and I see a linux driver there. > > http://www.rowley.co.uk/arm/CrossConnect.htm > > On the topic of JTAG, these TI chips sure look interesting. > They have JTAG masters with 8-bit microcontroller interfaces. > They take care of all necessary buffering, and they have a > multiplexing protocol that allows chaining many on a passive > backplane. > > http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Texas%20Instruments/Web%20data/SN74LVT8980A.pdf > > Mate that with a USB microcontroller (ie LPC2148) and it would > make a nice test/debug environment. The controlled/buffered > chaining would also allow some system level debugging (connect > to multiple processors on one board or even multiple boards). > > Another interesting chip is the old FTDI USB-Serial in a new > version with a special bus (MPSSE) that includes interfacing > JTAG and SPI. > > http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/FT2232C.htm > http://www.ftdichip.com/Documents/AppNotes/AN2232C-01_MPSSE_Cmnd_11.pdf > > They also have a JTAG DLL for it > http://www.ftdichip.com/FTProjects.htm > > -- Doug > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App > Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your > very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: > http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com |
From: Doug S. <do...@pr...> - 2005-11-10 06:01:13
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BDI is top of the line in performance I hear, I'm still deciding on a USB or ethernet adapter, can't afford 2k right now either. There has been lots of discussion on this topic on the LPC2000 list, if you want to check the archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/ They talk about Philips ARM, but most of these JTAG adapters work with many ARM cores. -- Doug Frank wrote: > Thanks, > Thats a lot of good information. I was also looking for advice > from people who have actually used any of these. I'm used to the > BDI200 for PPC, but this money is coming out of my own pocket > and I don't want dish out 2k right now... |
From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 06:26:52
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cool, thanks... --- Doug Sutherland <do...@pr...> wrote: > BDI is top of the line in performance I hear, I'm still > deciding > on a USB or ethernet adapter, can't afford 2k right now > either. > There has been lots of discussion on this topic on the LPC2000 > list, if you want to check the archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/ > > They talk about Philips ARM, but most of these JTAG adapters > work with many ARM cores. > > -- Doug > > > Frank wrote: > > Thanks, > > Thats a lot of good information. I was also looking for > advice > > from people who have actually used any of these. I'm used to > the > > BDI200 for PPC, but this money is coming out of my own > pocket > > and I don't want dish out 2k right now... > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App > Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your > very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: > http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Dave H. <dhy...@gm...> - 2005-11-10 16:01:33
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Hi Frank, On 11/9/05, Frank <fra...@ya...> wrote: > Can someone recommend a good, relatively cheap, JTAG debugger > for the gumstix? I can't recommend it yet (because I haven't used it), but I picked up one of these: http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=3D1&cat=3D74& -- Dave Hylands Vancouver, BC, Canada http://www.DaveHylands.com/ |
From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 16:31:27
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You can't beat the price. I was prepared to pay much more then that. I have thw wiggler, but it doesn't have much support under Linux and I don't do Windoze... --- Dave Hylands <dhy...@gm...> wrote: > Hi Frank, > > On 11/9/05, Frank <fra...@ya...> wrote: > > Can someone recommend a good, relatively cheap, JTAG > debugger > > for the gumstix? > > I can't recommend it yet (because I haven't used it), but I > picked up > one of these: > http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cat=74& > > -- > Dave Hylands > Vancouver, BC, Canada > http://www.DaveHylands.com/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App > Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your > very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: > http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com |
From: Doug S. <do...@pr...> - 2005-11-10 17:06:09
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Frank wrote: > You can't beat the price. I was prepared to pay much more then > that. I have thw wiggler, but it doesn't have much support under > Linux and I don't do Windoze... It's probably as supported as anything else on linux. You can use macraigor's ocdremote to talk to the adapter, which in turn connects to GDB. Macraigor has a linux version of ocdremote: http://www.macraigor.com/full_gnu.htm Also, the openwince JTAG Tools states it will run on any unix like operating system, so there's another alternative. Many of the commercial IDE/Toolchains based on GNU also support the wiggler, so I'm not sure how you determined it doesn't have much support. -- Doug |
From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 17:19:23
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OcdRemote doesn't support Wiggler. That was the main reason I've been shopping around for a better JTAG debugger. I have no desire to debug the Linux kernel in assembly language.:-( --- Doug Sutherland <do...@pr...> wrote: > Frank wrote: > > > You can't beat the price. I was prepared to pay much more > then > > that. I have thw wiggler, but it doesn't have much support > under > > Linux and I don't do Windoze... > > It's probably as supported as anything else on linux. You can > use > macraigor's ocdremote to talk to the adapter, which in turn > connects > to GDB. Macraigor has a linux version of ocdremote: > > http://www.macraigor.com/full_gnu.htm > > Also, the openwince JTAG Tools states it will run on any unix > like > operating system, so there's another alternative. > > Many of the commercial IDE/Toolchains based on GNU also > support > the wiggler, so I'm not sure how you determined it doesn't > have > much support. > > -- Doug > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App > Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your > very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: > http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Doug S. <do...@pr...> - 2005-11-10 17:26:18
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Frank wrote: > OcdRemote doesn't support Wiggler. That was the main reason I've > been shopping around for a better JTAG debugger. Sure it does, they are both Macraigor ... http://www.macraigor.com/gnu_faq.htm#What_is_OCDRemote From that page <device> = WIGGLER, RAVEN,MPDEMON_SERIAL, MPDEMON_PARALLEL, MPDEMON_ETHERNET, USB, default = RAVEN and To connect to a Inte lXscale IQ80321 CPU using a Wiggler(windows only) LPT2 at JTAG speed 1 (380 khz), you would enter : OcdRemote -c XSCALE-5IR -d WIGGLER -a 2 -s 1 |
From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 17:42:33
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Yes, but _not_ on Linux. I tried it already and there is no option for Wiggler under Linux... --- Doug Sutherland <do...@pr...> wrote: > Frank wrote: > > OcdRemote doesn't support Wiggler. That was the main reason > I've > > been shopping around for a better JTAG debugger. > > Sure it does, they are both Macraigor ... > http://www.macraigor.com/gnu_faq.htm#What_is_OCDRemote > > From that page > <device> = WIGGLER, RAVEN,MPDEMON_SERIAL, MPDEMON_PARALLEL, > MPDEMON_ETHERNET, USB, default = RAVEN > > and > > To connect to a Inte lXscale IQ80321 CPU using a > Wiggler(windows only) > LPT2 at JTAG speed 1 (380 khz), you would enter : > OcdRemote -c XSCALE-5IR -d WIGGLER -a 2 -s 1 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App > Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your > very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: > http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Doug S. <do...@pr...> - 2005-11-10 18:39:19
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Frank wrote: > Yes, but _not_ on Linux. I tried it already and there is no > option for Wiggler under Linux... I guess Macraigor is PO about all of the wiggler clones. Looks like the OpenWinCE JTAG Tools works on linux though. And maybe this would be useful: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gdbice/ -- Doug |
From: Cassie S. <wth...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 17:46:15
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What is a good 802.11b card that works well with the gumstix. On the support page Netgear MA701 is recommended but I cant find that one anywhere. I have some SanDisk ones with a built in 128meg compact flash is this supported? thanks __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com |
From: Andy T. <and...@gm...> - 2005-11-10 18:47:10
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Cassie, You can find the MA701 on ebay. Here's one buy it now for 50 bucks + =20= shipping: http://cgi.ebay.com/NetGear-MA701-CF-Wireless-PDA-Card-FREE-PCMCIA-=20 adapter_W0QQitemZ5827710684QQcategoryZ45003QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ=20= ViewItem Andy On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Cassie Stewart wrote: > What is a good 802.11b card that works well with the > gumstix. On the support page Netgear MA701 is > recommended but I can=92t find that one anywhere |
From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 21:34:42
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The SMC 2632W works out of the box as well... --- Cassie Stewart <wth...@ya...> wrote: > What is a good 802.11b card that works well with the > gumstix. On the support page Netgear MA701 is > recommended but I cant find that one anywhere. I > have some SanDisk ones with a built in 128meg compact > flash is this supported? > thanks > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App > Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your > very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: > http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com |
From: Keith O. <kso...@gm...> - 2005-11-11 01:03:08
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Cassie Stewart wrote: >What is a good 802.11b card that works well with the >gumstix. On the support page Netgear MA701 is >recommended but I can=92t find that one anywhere. I >have some SanDisk ones with a built in 128meg compact >flash is this supported?=20 >thanks > =20 > Have you checked out the ones on eBay? (http://tinyurl.com/8rzkx) --=20 Keith Olson K-Soft Consulting |
From: Jeremy G. <zer...@gm...> - 2005-11-11 01:08:11
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I've had no trouble with a Belkin F5D6060. About four months ago it was available from TigerDirect for $20. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=3D&Product_I= d=3D125086 On 11/10/05, Cassie Stewart <wth...@ya...> wrote: > What is a good 802.11b card that works well with the > gumstix. On the support page Netgear MA701 is > recommended but I can't find that one anywhere. I > have some SanDisk ones with a built in 128meg compact > flash is this supported? > thanks > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Downl= oad > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > -- Jeremy Grosser Student Rochester Institute of Technology |
From: Doug S. <do...@pr...> - 2005-11-10 16:59:49
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Dave Hylands wrote: > I can't recommend it yet (because I haven't used it), but I picked up one of these: > http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cat=74& I have used this (wiggler clone) for LPC2000 and STR7 family ARM chips, and I know it works on X-Scale. It can be used with macraigor's ocdremote connected to GDB for debugging. But as I mentioned before, lots of people report problems, in many cases it has to do with their parallel port (or configuration), and in general the wiggler is considered a bit flakey when compared to the more expensive JTAG adapters. I plan to move to a USB based JTAG adapter but have not decided which one yet. Unfortunately many seem to be either tied to a specific development environment, or specific ARM chips. I will soon be trying the openwince JTAG Tools with the wiggler clone soon, since it's GNU license and has all source. http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/ Don't be thrown by the "wince" thing, it's just part of the openwince project, the JTAG part is independent of windoze. They list support for wiggler compatible dongles, including this home made one: http://jtag-arm9.sourceforge.net/hardware.html And they show connection to iPAQ which is X-Scale http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/iPAQ-3600/ I may end up building a USB based JTAG adapter because I haven't found one that I like yet, at least not for the price. -- Doug |
From: Frank <fra...@ya...> - 2005-11-10 17:21:29
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Thanks, I'll look at it. I'm trying to get LTT (Linux Trace Toolkit) up and running on the gumstix... --- Doug Sutherland <do...@pr...> wrote: > Dave Hylands wrote: > > > I can't recommend it yet (because I haven't used it), but I > picked up > one of these: > > http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cat=74& > > I have used this (wiggler clone) for LPC2000 and STR7 family > ARM chips, > and I know it works on X-Scale. It can be used with > macraigor's ocdremote > connected to GDB for debugging. > > But as I mentioned before, lots of people report problems, in > many cases > it has to do with their parallel port (or configuration), and > in general > the wiggler is considered a bit flakey when compared to the > more expensive > JTAG adapters. I plan to move to a USB based JTAG adapter but > have not > decided which one yet. Unfortunately many seem to be either > tied to a > specific development environment, or specific ARM chips. > > I will soon be trying the openwince JTAG Tools with the > wiggler clone > soon, since it's GNU license and has all source. > > http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/ > > Don't be thrown by the "wince" thing, it's just part of the > openwince > project, the JTAG part is independent of windoze. They list > support > for wiggler compatible dongles, including this home made one: > > http://jtag-arm9.sourceforge.net/hardware.html > > And they show connection to iPAQ which is X-Scale > http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/iPAQ-3600/ > > I may end up building a USB based JTAG adapter because I > haven't found > one that I like yet, at least not for the price. > > -- Doug > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App > Server. Download > it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your > very own > Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: > http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > gumstix-users mailing list > gum...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gumstix-users > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs |