From: jerome <rom...@ya...> - 2010-10-26 14:44:32
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Hello, I just want to know how users set alias name or nickname into Gramps 3.2.4 ? Do you use 'Also Known As' (Alternate name) ? An attribut on individuals ? What about Farm name, dit-name or Family nickname ? Best regards, Jérôme |
From: Peter L. <pet...@te...> - 2010-10-26 15:00:59
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Jérôme, I have used both AKA and attribute. But it's hard to find where. Tried the attribute filter to search for Attribute "Nickname=xxx", xxx os a known value, but it didn't find it! Is there a way ti find persons having alternative names? /Peter > Hello, > > > I just want to know how users set alias name or nickname into Gramps 3.2.4 > ? > > Do you use 'Also Known As' (Alternate name) ? > An attribut on individuals ? > What about Farm name, dit-name or Family nickname ? > > > Best regards, > Jérôme > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America > contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. > and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M > in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish > to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users |
From: Jérôme <rom...@ya...> - 2010-10-30 14:17:41
Attachments:
_HasAlternateName.py
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Peter, To quickly make a filter rule matching people with an alternate name is possible (_HasAlternateName.py + add reference and class on Filters/Rules/Person/__init__.py) But I still have a definition issue... The logical way, is maybe to look at alternate name and return name_type not matching default value (Birth name): alternate name; but user can set a prefered name with AKA name type. It sounds strange but it is possible on Person Editor. I suppose we need to also look at "main name" for AKA name_type ! Jérôme Peter Landgren a écrit : > Jérôme, > > I have used both AKA and attribute. But it's hard to find where. > Tried the attribute filter to search for Attribute "Nickname=xxx", xxx os a known value, but it > didn't find it! > Is there a way ti find persons having alternative names? > > /Peter > >> Hello, >> >> >> I just want to know how users set alias name or nickname into Gramps 3.2.4 >> ? >> >> Do you use 'Also Known As' (Alternate name) ? >> An attribut on individuals ? >> What about Farm name, dit-name or Family nickname ? >> >> >> Best regards, >> Jérôme >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America >> contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. >> and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M >> in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish >> to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Gramps-users mailing list >> Gra...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Nick H. <nic...@ho...> - 2010-10-26 16:44:08
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Jerome, I use the Call Name field for Nicknames. Nick. jerome wrote: > Hello, > > > I just want to know how users set alias name or nickname into Gramps 3.2.4 ? > > Do you use 'Also Known As' (Alternate name) ? > An attribut on individuals ? > What about Farm name, dit-name or Family nickname ? > > > Best regards, > Jérôme > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-26 19:24:39
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On Gedcom import nickname (which is part of the standard) is imported to an attribute of the name with type Nickname. In next release it will be a nickname field instead. Perhaps we indeed need to update the tool to set names to see if there is a nickname attribute, and if so, use that to set the nickname. An option to change callname into nickname is an option... Benny 2010/10/26 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> > Jerome, > > I use the Call Name field for Nicknames. > > Nick. > > > jerome wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > I just want to know how users set alias name or nickname into Gramps > 3.2.4 ? > > > > Do you use 'Also Known As' (Alternate name) ? > > An attribut on individuals ? > > What about Farm name, dit-name or Family nickname ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > Jérôme > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America > contest > > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and > Canada > > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in > marketing > > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Gramps-users mailing list > > Gra...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America > contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in > marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Nick H. <nic...@ho...> - 2010-10-26 21:22:55
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I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was very new to Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should really be used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. I will be moving all my data from the Call Name field into the new Nickname field. Nick. Benny Malengier wrote: > On Gedcom import nickname (which is part of the standard) is imported > to an attribute of the name with type Nickname. > > In next release it will be a nickname field instead. Perhaps we indeed > need to update the tool to set names to see if there is a nickname > attribute, and if so, use that to set the nickname. An option to > change callname into nickname is an option... > > Benny > > > 2010/10/26 Nick Hall <nic...@ho... > <mailto:nic...@ho...>> > > Jerome, > > I use the Call Name field for Nicknames. > > Nick. > > > jerome wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > I just want to know how users set alias name or nickname into > Gramps 3.2.4 ? > > > > Do you use 'Also Known As' (Alternate name) ? > > An attribut on individuals ? > > What about Farm name, dit-name or Family nickname ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > Jérôme > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North > America contest > > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. > and Canada > > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M > in marketing > > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to > Ovi Store > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Gramps-users mailing list > > Gra...@li... > <mailto:Gra...@li...> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North > America contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. > and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in > marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi > Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > <mailto:Gra...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Michael A L. <mic...@pc...> - 2010-10-26 22:00:36
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Nick Hall wrote: > I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was very new to > Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should really be > used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I > have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. > I have also been using call name as nickname. Perhaps for the newer Gramps-ites (Grampsologists??) we should explain the call name and what it actually represents. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia OPC Merther & St Breock, Cornwall see http://www.cornwall-opc.org mic...@pc... ==== |
From: Nick H. <nic...@ho...> - 2010-10-26 22:20:37
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Good idea. My understanding is as follows: Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One of these forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is called the Rufname and is often underlined on official documents. Google for "Rufname" for more details. Nick. Michael A Lightfoot wrote: > Nick Hall wrote: > >> I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was very new to >> Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should really be >> used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I >> have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. >> >> > I have also been using call name as nickname. > > Perhaps for the newer Gramps-ites (Grampsologists??) we should explain the > call name and what it actually represents. > > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-26 23:10:29
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2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> > Good idea. My understanding is as follows: > > Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". > > In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One of these > forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not > necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is called the Rufname > and is often underlined on official documents. > > Google for "Rufname" for more details. > You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people have several first names (I see it in citations), but only one is used normally, and in many forms, people hence only give one of them. I suppose it normally is the first , like my name is Benny Gaby ..., but you don't see me signing with B.G.C. Malengier. For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see only the callname, Benny, in a report. As all given names are official, one need not take the first given name as actual callname, hence the need of a field to hold the callname. Otherwise we could just offer to default to the first given name in reports. If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names could be taken as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of William, but that is going in the direction of a nickname, the police will not take lightly you signing things with Bill I think. Once it becomes 'Big Red', then it definitely is a nickname :-) Benny > > Nick. > > > Michael A Lightfoot wrote: > > Nick Hall wrote: > > > >> I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was very new to > >> Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should really be > >> used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I > >> have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. > >> > >> > > I have also been using call name as nickname. > > > > Perhaps for the newer Gramps-ites (Grampsologists??) we should explain > the > > call name and what it actually represents. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America > contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in > marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |
From: Nick H. <nic...@ho...> - 2010-10-28 22:42:04
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Benny Malengier wrote: > > > 2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho... > <mailto:nic...@ho...>> > > Good idea. My understanding is as follows: > > Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". > > In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One of these > forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not > necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is called the > Rufname > and is often underlined on official documents. > > Google for "Rufname" for more details. > > > You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people have > several first names (I see it in citations), but only one is used > normally, and in many forms, people hence only give one of them. I > suppose it normally is the first , like my name is Benny Gaby ..., but > you don't see me signing with B.G.C. Malengier. > For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see only the > callname, Benny, in a report. > As all given names are official, one need not take the first given > name as actual callname, hence the need of a field to hold the > callname. Otherwise we could just offer to default to the first given > name in reports. > If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names could be > taken as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of William, but that > is going in the direction of a nickname, the police will not take > lightly you signing things with Bill I think. Once it becomes 'Big > Red', then it definitely is a nickname :-) In England people are usually, but not always, called by their first name or a shortened form of it. I have used the Call Name field to store names by which people are usually known, where they differ from their first given name. In version 3.3, we will have the choice of both a Call Name or Nickname field for these. Which would I choose to record the name "Bill" for a "William"? As you say, it is not really a Nickname like "Big Red", but it is not really a Call Name either. If I use Call Name then the field will highlight red to indicate a validation failure. This dosen't really matter, but may be confusing for users. How will the choice of field affect the output on reports? Nick. > > Benny > > > Nick. > > > Michael A Lightfoot wrote: > > Nick Hall wrote: > > > >> I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was > very new to > >> Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should > really be > >> used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I > >> have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. > >> > >> > > I have also been using call name as nickname. > > > > Perhaps for the newer Gramps-ites (Grampsologists??) we should > explain the > > call name and what it actually represents. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North > America contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. > and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in > marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi > Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > <mailto:Gra...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-29 07:24:23
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2010/10/29 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> > > > Benny Malengier wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho... <mailto: >> nic...@ho...>> >> >> >> Good idea. My understanding is as follows: >> >> Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". >> >> In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One of these >> forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not >> necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is called the >> Rufname >> and is often underlined on official documents. >> >> Google for "Rufname" for more details. >> >> >> You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people have >> several first names (I see it in citations), but only one is used normally, >> and in many forms, people hence only give one of them. I suppose it normally >> is the first , like my name is Benny Gaby ..., but you don't see me signing >> with B.G.C. Malengier. >> For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see only the >> callname, Benny, in a report. >> As all given names are official, one need not take the first given name as >> actual callname, hence the need of a field to hold the callname. Otherwise >> we could just offer to default to the first given name in reports. >> If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names could be >> taken as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of William, but that is >> going in the direction of a nickname, the police will not take lightly you >> signing things with Bill I think. Once it becomes 'Big Red', then it >> definitely is a nickname :-) >> > > In England people are usually, but not always, called by their first name > or a shortened form of it. > > I have used the Call Name field to store names by which people are usually > known, where they differ from their first given name. > > In version 3.3, we will have the choice of both a Call Name or Nickname > field for these. Which would I choose to record the name "Bill" for a > "William"? As you say, it is not really a Nickname like "Big Red", but it > is not really a Call Name either. > > If I use Call Name then the field will highlight red to indicate a > validation failure. This dosen't really matter, but may be confusing for > users. > Let's take president Bill Clinton. His name: *William Jefferson* "*Bill*" *Clinton* (born *William Jefferson Blythe III*) So two names, with preferred name the first. I would say Bill is the Nickname, and you can use the name formatting to have it appear as you find it here on wikipedia. If you use callname, then some reports will look for it in the given name to underline it, which is not possible with Bill. So Bill would be nick name. If people would have called him Jefferson Clinton, in daily use, then Jefferson would be call name. > How will the choice of field affect the output on reports? > As said, callname attempts to underline a given name in some reports. In this respect Gedcom 5.5EL used in germany is perhaps a bit more clear, as one has an entry per given name, and callname is a flag on one of the names. This slows down data entry of given names though if done in that way. Benny |
From: lcc . <lcc...@gm...> - 2010-10-27 00:29:10
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Shiver. You'd rather use only the call name on a report? Shiver again. That's like, giving up on your names. The call name is traditionally underlined with the full name around it on mostly everything relevant written down. Only for informal, everyday use is the call name used instead of all forenames. I wouldn't think reports fall under that category. --lcc On 10/26/10, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> wrote: > 2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> > >> Good idea. My understanding is as follows: >> >> Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". >> >> In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One of these >> forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not >> necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is called the Rufname >> and is often underlined on official documents. >> >> Google for "Rufname" for more details. >> > > You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people have several > first names (I see it in citations), but only one is used normally, and in > many forms, people hence only give one of them. I suppose it normally is the > first , like my name is Benny Gaby ..., but you don't see me signing with > B.G.C. Malengier. > For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see only the > callname, Benny, in a report. > As all given names are official, one need not take the first given name as > actual callname, hence the need of a field to hold the callname. Otherwise > we could just offer to default to the first given name in reports. > If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names could be taken > as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of William, but that is going in > the direction of a nickname, the police will not take lightly you signing > things with Bill I think. Once it becomes 'Big Red', then it definitely is a > nickname :-) > > Benny > >> >> Nick. >> >> >> Michael A Lightfoot wrote: >> > Nick Hall wrote: >> > >> >> I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was very new to >> >> Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should really >> >> be >> >> used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I >> >> have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. >> >> >> >> >> > I have also been using call name as nickname. >> > >> > Perhaps for the newer Gramps-ites (Grampsologists??) we should explain >> the >> > call name and what it actually represents. >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America >> contest >> Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada >> $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in >> marketing >> Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> Gramps-users mailing list >> Gra...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users >> > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-27 11:08:25
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2010/10/27 lcc . <lcc...@gm...> > Shiver. You'd rather use only the call name on a report? Shiver again. > That's like, giving up on your names. The call name is traditionally > underlined with the full name around it on mostly everything relevant > written down. Only for informal, everyday use is the call name used > instead of all forenames. I wouldn't think reports fall under that > category. > In Belgium there is no need to give all your given names. So contracts contain only one. Of course, it typically is now the first given name, and no longer random as it used to be. People would find it very strange if I give them readouts with all their given names on it. So for a flowing text, using callname, familyname, with callname replaced by given name if not defined, is better. For pure genealogical use, using full given name is indeed the thing to do. Benny > > --lcc > > On 10/26/10, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> wrote: > > 2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> > > > >> Good idea. My understanding is as follows: > >> > >> Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". > >> > >> In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One of these > >> forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not > >> necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is called the Rufname > >> and is often underlined on official documents. > >> > >> Google for "Rufname" for more details. > >> > > > > You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people have > several > > first names (I see it in citations), but only one is used normally, and > in > > many forms, people hence only give one of them. I suppose it normally is > the > > first , like my name is Benny Gaby ..., but you don't see me signing with > > B.G.C. Malengier. > > For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see only the > > callname, Benny, in a report. > > As all given names are official, one need not take the first given name > as > > actual callname, hence the need of a field to hold the callname. > Otherwise > > we could just offer to default to the first given name in reports. > > If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names could be > taken > > as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of William, but that is going > in > > the direction of a nickname, the police will not take lightly you signing > > things with Bill I think. Once it becomes 'Big Red', then it definitely > is a > > nickname :-) > > > > Benny > > > >> > >> Nick. > >> > >> > >> Michael A Lightfoot wrote: > >> > Nick Hall wrote: > >> > > >> >> I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was very new > to > >> >> Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should really > >> >> be > >> >> used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I > >> >> have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > I have also been using call name as nickname. > >> > > >> > Perhaps for the newer Gramps-ites (Grampsologists??) we should explain > >> the > >> > call name and what it actually represents. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America > >> contest > >> Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and > Canada > >> $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in > >> marketing > >> Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gramps-users mailing list > >> Gra...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > >> > > > |
From: lcc . <lcc...@gm...> - 2010-10-27 12:44:14
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That might be true in Belgium, the fact that it is now the first forename, there, somewhat mitigates the problem I see with this practice, although not much. Reports are for me the official representation of your genealogy, so giving only one name still doesn't sound right to me. Even when you say so, I suppose you mean giving the full name once and then using only the callname for a flowing text. I see in the USA some kind of "anti-genealogical" prejudice against people using more than three names. People often look down and complain about those doing that. That is a society flattening effort in my opinion and should be fought against. Partially because, who knows, Benny Malengier probably not, but using only two names drastically improves the chance of homonym confusion. Then there are those who say using your full name is "non-upper class". That is indeed ridiculous! If you don't use your full name, no one will do it for you. That is pure opposition to genealogy. Regards, --lcc On 10/27/10, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> wrote: > 2010/10/27 lcc . <lcc...@gm...> > >> Shiver. You'd rather use only the call name on a report? Shiver again. >> That's like, giving up on your names. The call name is traditionally >> underlined with the full name around it on mostly everything relevant >> written down. Only for informal, everyday use is the call name used >> instead of all forenames. I wouldn't think reports fall under that >> category. >> > > In Belgium there is no need to give all your given names. So contracts > contain only one. Of course, it typically is now the first given name, and > no longer random as it used to be. > People would find it very strange if I give them readouts with all their > given names on it. So for a flowing text, using callname, familyname, with > callname replaced by given name if not defined, is better. > For pure genealogical use, using full given name is indeed the thing to do. > > Benny > > >> >> --lcc >> >> On 10/26/10, Benny Malengier <ben...@gm...> wrote: >> > 2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> >> > >> >> Good idea. My understanding is as follows: >> >> >> >> Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". >> >> >> >> In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One of these >> >> forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not >> >> necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is called the >> >> Rufname >> >> and is often underlined on official documents. >> >> >> >> Google for "Rufname" for more details. >> >> >> > >> > You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people have >> several >> > first names (I see it in citations), but only one is used normally, and >> in >> > many forms, people hence only give one of them. I suppose it normally is >> the >> > first , like my name is Benny Gaby ..., but you don't see me signing >> > with >> > B.G.C. Malengier. >> > For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see only the >> > callname, Benny, in a report. >> > As all given names are official, one need not take the first given name >> as >> > actual callname, hence the need of a field to hold the callname. >> Otherwise >> > we could just offer to default to the first given name in reports. >> > If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names could be >> taken >> > as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of William, but that is going >> in >> > the direction of a nickname, the police will not take lightly you >> > signing >> > things with Bill I think. Once it becomes 'Big Red', then it definitely >> is a >> > nickname :-) >> > >> > Benny >> > >> >> >> >> Nick. >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael A Lightfoot wrote: >> >> > Nick Hall wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I started using the Call Name field for Nickname when I was very new >> to >> >> >> Gramps, and before I even knew what the Call Name field should >> >> >> really >> >> >> be >> >> >> used for. If there are any other users who have done the same as I >> >> >> have, then we may have to create a conversion tool. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I have also been using call name as nickname. >> >> > >> >> > Perhaps for the newer Gramps-ites (Grampsologists??) we should >> >> > explain >> >> the >> >> > call name and what it actually represents. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America >> >> contest >> >> Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and >> Canada >> >> $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in >> >> marketing >> >> Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi >> >> Store >> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Gramps-users mailing list >> >> Gra...@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users >> >> >> > >> > |
From: Nick H. <nic...@ho...> - 2010-10-29 14:51:57
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Benny Malengier wrote: > > > 2010/10/29 Nick Hall <nic...@ho... > <mailto:nic...@ho...>> > > > > Benny Malengier wrote: > > > > 2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho... > <mailto:nic...@ho...> <mailto:nic...@ho... > <mailto:nic...@ho...>>> > > > Good idea. My understanding is as follows: > > Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". > > In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One > of these > forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not > necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is > called the > Rufname > and is often underlined on official documents. > > Google for "Rufname" for more details. > > > You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people > have several first names (I see it in citations), but only one > is used normally, and in many forms, people hence only give > one of them. I suppose it normally is the first , like my name > is Benny Gaby ..., but you don't see me signing with B.G.C. > Malengier. > For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see > only the callname, Benny, in a report. > As all given names are official, one need not take the first > given name as actual callname, hence the need of a field to > hold the callname. Otherwise we could just offer to default to > the first given name in reports. > If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names > could be taken as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of > William, but that is going in the direction of a nickname, the > police will not take lightly you signing things with Bill I > think. Once it becomes 'Big Red', then it definitely is a > nickname :-) > > > In England people are usually, but not always, called by their > first name or a shortened form of it. > > I have used the Call Name field to store names by which people are > usually known, where they differ from their first given name. > > In version 3.3, we will have the choice of both a Call Name or > Nickname field for these. Which would I choose to record the > name "Bill" for a "William"? As you say, it is not really a > Nickname like "Big Red", but it is not really a Call Name either. > > If I use Call Name then the field will highlight red to indicate a > validation failure. This dosen't really matter, but may be > confusing for users. > > > Let's take president Bill Clinton. His name: > *William Jefferson* "*Bill*" *Clinton* (born *William Jefferson Blythe > III*) > > So two names, with preferred name the first. I would say Bill is the > Nickname, and you can use the name formatting to have it appear as you > find it here on wikipedia. > If you use callname, then some reports will look for it in the given > name to underline it, which is not possible with Bill. > > So Bill would be nick name. If people would have called him Jefferson > Clinton, in daily use, then Jefferson would be call name. OK. That makes sense. I will be moving my Call Names into the new Nickname field. > > > How will the choice of field affect the output on reports? > > > As said, callname attempts to underline a given name in some reports. > In this respect Gedcom 5.5EL used in germany is perhaps a bit more > clear, as one has an entry per given name, and callname is a flag on > one of the names. This slows down data entry of given names though if > done in that way. > The way you are doing it seems fine to me. I suppose you could have just specified the Call Name as an integer defining which given name to underline. Nick. > Benny > |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-29 15:02:38
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2010/10/29 Nick Hall <nic...@ho...> > > > Benny Malengier wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/10/29 Nick Hall <nic...@ho... <mailto: >> nic...@ho...>> >> >> >> >> >> Benny Malengier wrote: >> >> >> >> 2010/10/27 Nick Hall <nic...@ho... >> <mailto:nic...@ho...> <mailto:nic...@ho... >> >> <mailto:nic...@ho...>>> >> >> >> Good idea. My understanding is as follows: >> >> Call Name is the translation of the German "Rufname". >> >> In Gernamy a child may be given more than one forename. One >> of these >> forenames will be the one intended for normal use, but is not >> necessarily the first one. The name for normal use is >> called the >> Rufname >> and is often underlined on official documents. >> >> Google for "Rufname" for more details. >> >> >> You can use it in same meaning today also. Many English people >> have several first names (I see it in citations), but only one >> is used normally, and in many forms, people hence only give >> one of them. I suppose it normally is the first , like my name >> is Benny Gaby ..., but you don't see me signing with B.G.C. >> Malengier. >> For genealogy, all given names are stored, but I rather see >> only the callname, Benny, in a report. >> As all given names are official, one need not take the first >> given name as actual callname, hence the need of a field to >> hold the callname. Otherwise we could just offer to default to >> the first given name in reports. >> If one is lenient, an abbriviation of one of the given names >> could be taken as callname, and perhaps even Bill instead of >> William, but that is going in the direction of a nickname, the >> police will not take lightly you signing things with Bill I >> think. Once it becomes 'Big Red', then it definitely is a >> nickname :-) >> >> >> In England people are usually, but not always, called by their >> first name or a shortened form of it. >> >> I have used the Call Name field to store names by which people are >> usually known, where they differ from their first given name. >> >> In version 3.3, we will have the choice of both a Call Name or >> Nickname field for these. Which would I choose to record the >> name "Bill" for a "William"? As you say, it is not really a >> Nickname like "Big Red", but it is not really a Call Name either. >> >> If I use Call Name then the field will highlight red to indicate a >> validation failure. This dosen't really matter, but may be >> confusing for users. >> >> >> Let's take president Bill Clinton. His name: >> *William Jefferson* "*Bill*" *Clinton* (born *William Jefferson Blythe >> III*) >> >> So two names, with preferred name the first. I would say Bill is the >> Nickname, and you can use the name formatting to have it appear as you find >> it here on wikipedia. >> If you use callname, then some reports will look for it in the given name >> to underline it, which is not possible with Bill. >> >> So Bill would be nick name. If people would have called him Jefferson >> Clinton, in daily use, then Jefferson would be call name. >> > > OK. That makes sense. I will be moving my Call Names into the new > Nickname field. > > > > >> >> How will the choice of field affect the output on reports? >> >> >> As said, callname attempts to underline a given name in some reports. >> In this respect Gedcom 5.5EL used in germany is perhaps a bit more clear, >> as one has an entry per given name, and callname is a flag on one of the >> names. This slows down data entry of given names though if done in that way. >> >> > The way you are doing it seems fine to me. I suppose you could have just > specified the Call Name as an integer defining which given name to > underline. > Yes, but I'm wondering if people will not want the hyphen to be neglected. Eg, in italy, names like Maria-Rita, Maria-Cristina, ... are common, where people don't use the Maria part in normal use. Or Francesco-Saverio, where only Francesco is used. Callname can be used to indicate this. With numbers supporting that is not possible. Benny > > > Nick. > > > Benny >> >> |
From: Michael L. <mic...@pc...> - 2010-10-29 21:02:02
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On Saturday 30 October 2010 01:51:46 Nick Hall wrote: > Benny Malengier wrote: > > So Bill would be nick name. If people would have called him Jefferson > > Clinton, in daily use, then Jefferson would be call name. > > OK. That makes sense. I will be moving my Call Names into the new > Nickname field. > OK. Here's a curly one... My brother is Albert Geoffrey (named after my father Albert) and to avoid confusion in our family has been always known as Geoffrey (Geoff), but to all his friends, his ex-wife and partner he is Albert. Is Geoffrey a call name? It was much clearer for my grandfather Albert Sydney who was known universally as Sid (Sydney) and is so for my nephew Albert George who is always known as George. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia mic...@pc... ==== |
From: Benny M. <ben...@gm...> - 2010-10-30 07:47:10
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2010/10/29 Michael Lightfoot <mic...@pc...> > On Saturday 30 October 2010 01:51:46 Nick Hall wrote: > > Benny Malengier wrote: > > > So Bill would be nick name. If people would have called him Jefferson > > > Clinton, in daily use, then Jefferson would be call name. > > > > OK. That makes sense. I will be moving my Call Names into the new > > Nickname field. > > > OK. Here's a curly one... > > My brother is Albert Geoffrey (named after my father Albert) and to avoid > confusion in our family has been always known as Geoffrey (Geoff), but to > all > his friends, his ex-wife and partner he is Albert. Is Geoffrey a call > name? > > It was much clearer for my grandfather Albert Sydney who was known > universally > as Sid (Sydney) and is so for my nephew Albert George who is always known > as > George. > Callname (Rufname) is off course only something official in a specific time period in a specific region. So using it for today use is just a convenience. That aside, for Albert Geoffrey, as he is commonly known under two names forms, I would store two names, with preferred name what he likes best. As you use callname, only the callname would be different, and one would have nickname Geoff. A source or a note would put this into context. Benny > > -- > ==== > Michael Lightfoot > Canberra, Australia > mic...@pc... > ==== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America > contest > Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada > $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in > marketing > Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store > http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-users mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users > |