From: Don A. <dal...@us...> - 2003-02-27 00:34:46
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I've started some of the changes for compliance with the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. In several cases, I think the changes are rather dramatic. I'd be interested in feedback. The current changes have been checked into CVS. I have put up some web pages that outline the changes and show some examples. You can find it at http://donaldallingham.home.attbi.com/gramps/hig.html In the mean time, work will continue. -- Don Allingham <dal...@us...> GRAMPS - Open Source Genealogy |
From: Jim <bin...@ph...> - 2003-02-27 02:23:00
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Don, I hate doing this because usability can sometimes sound like nitpicking. So please think of them as observations and don't allow them to seem as if I am in anyway putting down one of the premier open source applications that exists. The family-old Vs. family-hig I agree with the removal of the frame border. I agree with the change to a bold font. It would be possible for a person to mistake which text box corresponds to which header. This pertains to the headers Spouse, Spouse's Parents and Children. This could be fixed by increasing the distance between the headers and the text boxes above the headers. On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 19:34, Don Allingham wrote: > I've started some of the changes for compliance with the GNOME Human > Interface Guidelines. In several cases, I think the changes are rather > dramatic. I'd be interested in feedback. > > The current changes have been checked into CVS. I have put up some web > pages that outline the changes and show some examples. You can find it > at http://donaldallingham.home.attbi.com/gramps/hig.html > > In the mean time, work will continue. > > -- > Don Allingham <dal...@us...> > GRAMPS - Open Source Genealogy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Scholarships for Techies! > Can't afford IT training? All 2003 ictp students receive scholarships. > Get hands-on training in Microsoft, Cisco, Sun, Linux/UNIX, and more. > www.ictp.com/training/sourceforge.asp > _______________________________________________ > Gramps-devel mailing list > Gra...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-devel |
From: Don A. <dal...@us...> - 2003-02-27 04:02:36
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Jim, Thanks for the feedback. On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 19:24, Jim wrote: > I hate doing this because usability can sometimes sound like nitpicking. > So please think of them as observations and don't allow them to seem as > if I am in anyway putting down one of the premier open source > applications that exists. Nitpicking is exactly what is needed with interface design. The minor things can make a big difference between good and mediocre. > I agree with the removal of the frame border. I agree with the change to > a bold font. It would be possible for a person to mistake which text box > corresponds to which header. This pertains to the headers Spouse, > Spouse's Parents and Children. > > This could be fixed by increasing the distance between the headers and > the text boxes above the headers. I tested out the increased space, and I think I agree with you. I'll increase the space. Don |
From: Roger <ro...@ef...> - 2003-02-27 02:33:40
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Around Wed,Feb 26 2003, at 05:34, Don Allingham, wrote: > I've started some of the changes for compliance with the GNOME Human > Interface Guidelines. In several cases, I think the changes are rather > dramatic. I'd be interested in feedback. > > The current changes have been checked into CVS. I have put up some web > pages that outline the changes and show some examples. You can find it > at http://donaldallingham.home.attbi.com/gramps/hig.html > the 'save changes' and 'report dialog' links were 404. roger -- ro...@ef... From /usr/bin/fortune: There is no substitute for good manners, except, perhaps, fast reflexes. |
From: Don A. <dal...@us...> - 2003-02-27 03:51:09
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On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 19:30, Roger wrote: > the 'save changes' and 'report dialog' links were 404. > The links should be fixed now. Don |
From: Alex R. <sh...@al...> - 2003-02-27 16:59:18
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Don, The screenshots look great! Here's my few nitpicks, but they are minor. 1. All dialogs: there's a ruler separating dialog text from the buttons on the bottom. It is deprecated in HIG, at least in the dialogs. 2. Save dialog: the leftmost button should have an access key -- maybe C_lose without Saving , or Close _without Saving ? 3. Report dialogs: do we need a ruler separating the title of the report from all the controls? It seems that the new formatting makes the distinction so clear that the ruler is not necessary anymore. HIG would favor less rulers, as a rule (pun intended). Also, there should be no space between the text label and the following colon: "Filename:" instead of "Filename :" and so on. 4. All dialogs: HIG insists on _Sentence capitalization_, as opposed to _Capitalizing Every Word_. This includes Save changes (not Save Changes), Document options, Paper options, Report options, Output format, Display format, etc. 5.Family view is great, I agree with Jim's suggestion to increase space. Overall, It feels very nice to have these new dialogs. Another thing I've noticed with the report dialogs. I have HTML format as my preferred format for text reports. When I select any report and the corresponding dialog opens, I still have Paper options (paper size and orientation popups) avilable, and not HTML options. At the same time the format says HTML. When I click the format popup and then set it back to HTML (i.e. no state change except for activating the control), the Paper options gets replaced with the HTML options. As I said, you have to set HTML as your default to see this bug. Finally, I thought that it'd be great to have some kind of confirmation that the report was in fact successfully generated. Maybe a short message in the status line aknowledging this, or a progress bar to the left of the status line -- what do you think? Alex On 2003.02.26 18:34 Don Allingham wrote: > I've started some of the changes for compliance with the GNOME Human > Interface Guidelines. In several cases, I think the changes are rather > dramatic. I'd be interested in feedback. > > The current changes have been checked into CVS. I have put up some web > pages that outline the changes and show some examples. You can find it > at http://donaldallingham.home.attbi.com/gramps/hig.html > > In the mean time, work will continue. -- Alexander Roitman http://ebner.neuroscience.umn.edu/people/alex.html Dept. of Neuroscience, Lions Research Building 2001 6th Street SE, Minneapolis, MN 55455 Tel (612) 626-7280 FAX (612) 626-9201 |
From: Don A. <dal...@us...> - 2003-02-27 17:16:59
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On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 09:58, Alex Roitman wrote: > 1. All dialogs: there's a ruler separating dialog text from the buttons on > the bottom. It is deprecated in HIG, at least in the dialogs. I agree. I just haven't found a way to get GLADE not to insert it yet. I'll just have to dig deeper into the options. Its a shame that its not the default. > 2. Save dialog: the leftmost button should have an access key -- > maybe C_lose without Saving , or Close _without Saving ? I'm just starting on this. I've been experimenting with accessibility with the Edit Person dialog. I need to read up on it some more, but GNOME's new accessibility features look very powerful. > 3. Report dialogs: do we need a ruler separating the title of the report > from all the controls? It seems that the new formatting makes the distinction > so clear that the ruler is not necessary anymore. HIG would favor less rulers, > as a rule (pun intended). > Also, there should be no space between the text label and the following > colon: "Filename:" instead of "Filename :" and so on. I'll take care of both of these. I've been guilty about the extra space. I've got it everywhere. > 4. All dialogs: HIG insists on _Sentence capitalization_, as opposed to > _Capitalizing Every Word_. > This includes Save changes (not Save Changes), Document options, > Paper options, Report options, Output format, Display format, etc. I'll get on this as well. Its a bad habit :-) > 5.Family view is great, I agree with Jim's suggestion to increase space. I'll update the screenshot with the improved spacing later today. While on the surface spacing may seem trivial, it does make a big difference. > Another thing I've noticed with the report dialogs. I have HTML format > as my preferred format for text reports. When I select any report > and the corresponding dialog opens, I still have Paper options (paper size > and orientation popups) avilable, and not HTML options. > At the same time the format says HTML. > When I click the format popup and then set it back to HTML (i.e. no state > change except for activating the control), the Paper options gets replaced > with the HTML options. As I said, you have to set HTML as your default > to see this bug. I'll get this fixed. I've just never set HTML as the default. (I'm kind of a PDF guy) > Finally, I thought that it'd be great to have some kind of confirmation that > the report was in fact successfully generated. Maybe a short message > in the status line aknowledging this, or a progress bar to the left of the > status line -- what do you think? The web page generation has this, since it can take more than a few seconds to create 10000 web pages. However, it probably isn't a bad idea to make this more wide spread. Any ideas on what it should look like? Don -- Don Allingham <dal...@us...> GRAMPS - Open Source Genealogy |