fink-beginners — Discussion, help and support for new Fink users

Re: [Fink-beginners] Have the way of installing from unstable changed?

[Peter O'G. <pe...@po...>]

On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 01:10  AM, ramiro wrote:

> Thanks very much, Peter!!
>
> I'm impressed for the light-speed response! "fink indes" did 
> the trick, since local/main was present in fink.conf.
>
> Now the question is: how is it possible that I never needed to 
> do "fink index" in the past after a selfupdate??
>

fink updates it's package cache automatically after a 
selfupdate, but when you copied the file to your local tree, 
fink didn't know about it and just used the list of packages in 
the cache.

The reason that you didn't need to do it before is that the 
cache didn't exist before. Finlay wrote it and it got included 
in the 0.40 distribution. You may or may not have noticed that 
fink list is much faster than previous versions...

Peter

Re: [Fink-beginners] Have the way of installing from unstable changed?

[Martin C. <cos...@wa...>]

ramiro wrote:
[]
> located in "/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/". Copying
> its 2 files to my "local" tree does not work, since fink isn't able
> to find the package:
> ---
> [xxx:~] xxx% fink install grass
> sudo /sw/bin/fink install grass
> Information about 561 packages read in 1 seconds.
> no package found for "grass"

I don't think anything has changed on Fink's side. This must be on your
side. Verify:

Did you change the Trees line in your /sw/etc/fink.conf file? Does it
contain local/main, and did you copy the file to local/main/finkinfo/ ? 

-- 
Martin

Re: [Fink-beginners] Have the way of installing from unstable changed?

[ramiro <ra...@ma...>]

Thanks very much, Peter!!

I'm impressed for the light-speed response! "fink indes" did the 
trick, since local/main was present in fink.conf.

Now the question is: how is it possible that I never needed to do 
"fink index" in the past after a selfupdate??


> first look at /sw/etc/fink.conf and make sure that your local tree 
> is enabled.
>
> If it is enabled then you may have to do 'fink index' to make sure 
> that the package index is being updated with the new package you 
> added to your local tree.
>
> Peter
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 12:56  AM, ramiro wrote:
>> "/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/". Copying its 2 files 
>> to my "local" tree does not work, since fink isn't able to find 
>> the package:
>> ---
>> [xxx:~] xxx% fink install grass
>> sudo /sw/bin/fink install grass
>> Information about 561 packages read in 1 seconds.
>> no package found for "grass"
>> Failed: no package found for specification 'grass'!
>
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[Fink-beginners] AbiWord lacks dependencies?

[ramiro <ra...@ma...>]

Hi again!

I'm trying to install AbiWord from the version in stable a=20
just-made "fink selfupdate" specifies.
However, this happens:

---
[xxx:~] xxx% fink install abiword
sudo /sw/bin/fink install abiword
Information about 561 packages read in 2 seconds.
pkg abiword  version ###
pkg abiword  version 1.0.1-1
WARNING: While resolving dependency "libxml2-shlibs" for package=20
"abiword-1.0.1-1", package "libxml2-shlibs" was not found.
Failed: Can't resolve dependency "libxml2-shlibs" for package=20
"abiword-1.0.1-1" (no matching packages/versions found)
---

If I do "finklist libxml", I get"
---
[xxx:~] xxx% fink list libxml
Information about 561 packages read in 2 seconds.
  i  libxml          1.8.16-2    XML parsing library
  i  libxml-shlibs   1.8.16-2    XML parsing library
  i  libxml2         2.4.13-1    XML parsing library, version 2
---

Since AbiWord is in stable, isn't it supposed to have all its=20
dependencies present in stable?
And, since I have libxml2 installed, isn't it supposed to install=20
the corresponding -shlibs package?

Thanks in advance,

Ramiro T=E9llez Sanz
ra...@ma...

Re: [Fink-beginners] Have the way of installing from unstable changed?

[Peter O'G. <pe...@po...>]

first look at /sw/etc/fink.conf and make sure that your local 
tree is enabled.

If it is enabled then you may have to do 'fink index' to make 
sure that the package index is being updated with the new 
package you added to your local tree.

Peter

On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 12:56  AM, ramiro wrote:
> "/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/". Copying its 2 
> files to my "local" tree does not work, since fink isn't able 
> to find the package:
> ---
> [xxx:~] xxx% fink install grass
> sudo /sw/bin/fink install grass
> Information about 561 packages read in 1 seconds.
> no package found for "grass"
> Failed: no package found for specification 'grass'!

[Fink-beginners] Have the way of installing from unstable changed?

[ramiro <ra...@ma...>]

Hi everybody!

I have the most recent fink version, selfupdated just 5 minutes ago.

In the past, when I wanted to install from unstable, I simply would=20
copy the package's .info and .patch from the unstable tree into=20
"/sw/fink/dists/local/main/finkinfo".

However, it no longer seems to work for me, on the 2 different=20
computers I use. For instance, I'm trying to install grass-5,=20
located in "/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/". Copying=20
its 2 files to my "local" tree does not work, since fink isn't able=20
to find the package:
---
[xxx:~] xxx% fink install grass
sudo /sw/bin/fink install grass
Information about 561 packages read in 1 seconds.
no package found for "grass"
Failed: no package found for specification 'grass'!
---

What's hapenning? Is there a new way to install from unstable?

Thanks in advance,

Ramiro T=E9llez Sanz
ra...@ma...

[Fink-beginners] Re: Fink-beginners digest, Vol 1 #237 - 17 msgs

[James K. <jam...@ma...>]

Dude
lighten up
I was was interested in a postfix-with-built-in mysql support or better 
yet a combo of the two.
I was was interested in Courier an IMAP/pop3 server
I was was interested in nessus maybe
But I can do apt-get update if ALL I'm interested in is new packages.

I'm just not familiar with the development schedule of fink, is it 
rev'ed every six months what? I did not have a happy time revving from 
the last version using fink's update feature and I wanted to get a sense 
when I might have to do it again.

On Monday, May 20, 2002, at 09:38  AM, fink-beginners-
re...@li... wrote:

> I am also new here, but I can only imagine that is the most
> annoying/trollish thing that gets posted.

Re: [Fink-beginners] next version of fink?

[Chris Z. <be...@ma...>]

On Monday, May 20, 2002, at 08:57 AM, Lloyd Budd wrote:

> on 2002/05/20 05:53,  jam...@wa... sent:
>
>> does anyone know when the next version of Fink will come out?
>> how about more packages;-)
well, we are trying to make releases more frequent, but it is a fair 
amount of work making a release

> I am also new here, but I can only imagine that is the most
> annoying/trollish thing that gets posted.  I imagine that was not your
> intention.  What are you looking for in the next version?  What specific
> packages?
actually, this does not come up as often as you might think.
if you want the most packages, add unstable/main and unstable/crypto to 
your fink.conf file (usually in /sw/etc). this will give you access to 
the latest packages, but at a small price. Some of them are not fully 
functional, and/or buggy. this is the best way to help, though, because 
the more good reports the maintainers receive, the faster they can be 
put into stable.

if there are packages you want ported, go to the request tracker and 
make a request, or read the docs and try it yourself  :-)

HTH,
-chris zubrzycki
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Re: [Fink-beginners] Postfix installed before Fink

[Tom N. Jr <nu...@po...>]

At 1:42 AM +0200 5/20/02, Ellen Herzfeld wrote:
>I have just installed Fink and am reading what I can to get up to
>date. One thing I noted was that when one installs the passwd
>package, a number of users are created. I understand that this is
>done to prepare for some packages that need these users. However, I
>have already intalled Postfix from source on my system
>(postfix-1.1.8-20020505) and have already created a "postfix" user.
>I don't want it overwritten. What must I do if I need to install
>passwd?

Check out this thread at
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=742
Jump down to the posts from May, and read about how to change the 
passwd usernames so that they don't conflict with anything you may 
have on your system.

  -- Tom



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Re: [Fink-beginners] Can I throw these files away ?

[Oscar E. <erl...@ma...>]

John Zetlaoui 02-05-20 15.15:

> I've been using Fink for a while now, and I recently realized that a lot
> of files (several hundred of Mo worth) were not deleted after the
> installation of the related packages. Those files can be found in :
> - sw/fink/dists/stable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/
> - sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/
> - sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/
> - sw/src/
> -  sw/fink/debs/ (only aliases in this one).
> Can I safely delete them in order to get some disk space back ?

Short answer: yes.

Slightly longer answer: You might want these, especially the .deb's that
belong to packages you've built from source, since in case you want to
reinstall, you wouldn't have to recompile. Also, if you're on a slow
connection, keeping the stuff could be nice so you don't have to
re-download.
-- 

Oscar Erlandsson
Erlandsson at mac dot com

[Fink-beginners] Can I throw these files away ?

[John Z. <zet...@ct...>]

Hello everyone.

I've been using Fink for a while now, and I recently realized that a lot 
of files (several hundred of Mo worth) were not deleted after the 
installation of the related packages. Those files can be found in :
- sw/fink/dists/stable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/
- sw/fink/dists/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/
- sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/
- sw/src/
-  sw/fink/debs/ (only aliases in this one).
Can I safely delete them in order to get some disk space back ?

TIA.

CU.

--
John

Think Different, Think by yourself

Re: [Fink-beginners] next version of fink?

[Lloyd B. <ma...@fo...>]

on 2002/05/20 05:53,  jam...@wa... sent:

> does anyone know when the next version of Fink will come out?
> how about more packages;-)
> 
> jim k

I am also new here, but I can only imagine that is the most
annoying/trollish thing that gets posted.  I imagine that was not your
intention.  What are you looking for in the next version?  What specific
packages?

-lloyd

[Fink-beginners] next version of fink?

[James K. <jam...@wa...>]

does anyone know when the next version of Fink will come out?
how about more packages;-)

jim k

Re: [Fink-beginners] system-xfree and system-libgl

[Ellen H. <xl...@xl...>]

Thanks Hanspeter and Chris,

I'll just let Fink tell me when I need system-libgl.

Ellen

Re: [Fink-beginners] system-xfree and system-libgl

[Hanspeter N. <nieder@OCF.Berkeley.EDU>]

[reply to list only, please.  thank you]

On Mon, 20 May 2002, Ellen Herzfeld wrote:

> Now I have just installed Fink and have read the documentation on the
> site. I understand that to use my "hand installed" version of Xfree86
> with Fink, I must install a placeholder, system-xfree. I have also
> read in another thread that system-xfree 4.1-5 will work with Xfree86
> 4.2.0.
>
> My question is: should I also install system-libgl? It says "Install
> this package if you have manually installed the OpenGL, libGL ans
> libGLU librairies in /usr/X11R6/lib"

I also have the 4.2.0 Xfree86 version from XonX.  I recently installed
pymol0.8 and it also asked for libGL.  I told it to install system-libgl
(the placeholder) and pymol works great.  So it seems that at least since
version 4.2.0, the point and drool installer from XonX already has built
in OpenGL support.

Hanspeter

-- 
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expulsion from Paradise, was probably a molecular disease that turned out
to be evolution. --E. Zuckerkandl and L. Pauling

Re: [Fink-beginners] system-xfree and system-libgl

[Chris D. <ch...@de...>]

On Mon, 20 May 2002, Ellen Herzfeld wrote:

> I have installed Xfree86 version 4.2.0 with the installer from
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xonx/
>
> No problem at all.

Good. You should be okay then.

> Now I have just installed Fink and have read the documentation on the
> site. I understand that to use my "hand installed" version of Xfree86
> with Fink, I must install a placeholder, system-xfree. I have also read
> in another thread that system-xfree 4.1-5 will work with Xfree86 4.2.0.
>
> My question is: should I also install system-libgl? It says "Install
> this package if you have manually installed the OpenGL, libGL ans libGLU
> librairies in /usr/X11R6/lib"

In a nutshell, I wouldn't worry about it. What packages are you ultimately
interested in using? Generally, it's easiest to just install the high
level packages you want, and let Fink sort out which packages are needed.
If a package depends on OpenGL, you'll typically be given a choice between
any Fink-available packages or, if you may have something external to use,
the "system-" alternative. This should be selected for you automatically.

So, for example, one of the packages that needs libgl support is xmms --
Winamp-alike music player.  If you run the command "fink install xmms",
Fink will look up the many dependencies (look in the package descriptor
file /sw/fink/dists/stable/main/finkinfo/sound/xmms-1.2.7-1.info for the
full list) and anything that you don't yet have -- like libgl -- will be
automatically sorted out for you.

Unless you're trying to write programs against the library, you can
probably just let Fink do this kind of grunt work for you.


--
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Apache / mod_perl / http://homepage.mac.com/chdevers/resume/

"More war soon. You know how it is."    -- mnftiu.cc

[Fink-beginners] Postfix installed before Fink

[Ellen H. <xl...@xl...>]

Hello,

I have just installed Fink and am reading what I can to get up to 
date. One thing I noted was that when one installs the passwd 
package, a number of users are created. I understand that this is 
done to prepare for some packages that need these users. However, I 
have already intalled Postfix from source on my system 
(postfix-1.1.8-20020505) and have already created a "postfix" user. I 
don't want it overwritten. What must I do if I need to install passwd?

Thanks,

Ellen

Re: [Fink-beginners] gnome-vfs installation failure

[Zorro <zor...@ma...>]

Every one needs to cc the package maintainer when they have
a problem with a package...not all of them read these lists often.
In this case it's Masanori Sekino, ms...@us....

[Fink-beginners] Enlightenment

[Stefano <ste...@ma...>]

Hi!

I have recently installed Enlightenment and I have a couple of questions.
The installation went smoothly and the wm runs nicely.
However I get  a warning message when I start it up. It is about Shared
Memory and says that I seem to be running Enlightenment over a network
(which is not the case) or a XServer which does not support Shared Memory
or I have MIT-SHM disabled in my imlib configuration. It says that this is
means that the performance (of pager in particular) is reduced and the
use of system resources increased.
If the problem is with the configuration of imlib how do change it?
Notice that  think I had installed imlib previously and not together with
Enlightenment because required by some other package.

The second question is about setting defaults for various parameters like
size and background colour of windows etc. I am used to a Linux machine
running fvwm where I have set my defaults in a .Xresources file.
I understand that these settings can be fixed to some extent using the
remember function in Enlightenment, but is it possible to use a
.Xresources? I have tried to add to the .xinitrc the line
XRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources
pointing to my .Xresources, but it does not work.

Many thanks in advance for your help.
Cheers

Stefano

[Fink-beginners] gnome-vfs installation failure

[Norman H. <ha...@ma...>]

I did the selfupate-cvs and then update-all. Everything seemed to update 
ok except for gnome-vfs. Here's the error message


> gnome-vfs-ssl.c:38: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory
> gnome-vfs-ssl.c:39: openssl/x509.h: No such file or directory
> gnome-vfs-ssl.c:40: openssl/err.h: No such file or directory
> make[3]: *** [gnome-vfs-ssl.lo] Error 1
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
> ### make failed, exit code 2
> Failed: compiling gnome-vfs-1.0.5-1 failed


I tried rebuilding openssl. I can't find any of the 3 files under any of 
the /sw directories.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Norman Hawker, Associate Professor
Western Michigan University
Haworth College of Business FCL Dept.
1903 West Michigan Avenue
Kalamazoo, Michigan 49008-5120

[Fink-beginners] system-xfree and system-libgl

[Ellen H. <xl...@xl...>]

Hello,

I have installed Xfree86 version 4.2.0 with the installer from 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/xonx/

No problem at all.

Now I have just installed Fink and have read the documentation on the 
site. I understand that to use my "hand installed" version of Xfree86 
with Fink, I must install a placeholder, system-xfree. I have also 
read in another thread that system-xfree 4.1-5 will work with Xfree86 
4.2.0.

My question is: should I also install system-libgl? It says "Install 
this package if you have manually installed the OpenGL, libGL ans 
libGLU librairies in /usr/X11R6/lib"

In /usr/X11R6/lib I do see a number of files starting with libGL and 
libGLU, but none starting with OpenGL. These were installed with the 
rest and I didn't add anything by hand. Since the system-xfree 
placeholder is really for Xfree86 4.1, I'm not sure if system-libgl 
is needed or not with 4.2.0, even if things do work without it.

Thanks,

Ellen
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Re: [Fink-beginners] Cut and Paste in X Windows

[Frank S. <v10...@sn...>]

"Oscar Erlandsson" erl...@ma... wrote:
> If you just want to test it, just open an xterm and do 'autocutsel &', that
> should start it for the current X session. 

Yes, I tried this already. It doesn't work for me. 

> Adding it to .xinitrc just makes
> it start automatically, kind of like a login item in OSX.

I know. :^)

> The fact that you don't have an .xinitrc puzzles me though -- what does your
> setup look like? What windowmanager do you use? (Normally, without an
> .xinitrc, X will have trouble starting, especially since the windowmanager
> normally is started as the last thing in the rcfile.)

Well I simply downloaded XFree86 and installed it. It installed XDarwin 1.1. Then I downloaded the OroborOSX 0.8p2 package and installed that too. I didn't use fink to install them. My test program is Abiword 1.0.1 which I also downloaded and installed without fink. 

No ~/.xinitrc file is present, however there is a ~/.orobxinitrc file. 

On my TiBook, I installed XDarwin via fink and there also was no .xinitrc file. 


Best Regards,
Frank

[Fink-beginners] Re: dia

[<d.l.deContes@iFrance.com>]

Le samedi 18 mai 2002, =E0 06:21 , Max Horn a =E9crit :

> At 19:30 Uhr +0200 17.05.2002, Thomas De Contes wrote:
>> <x-flowed>hello
>> i have just downloaded fink and selected dia
>> there was no errors
>> but now i can't run dia :
>>
>> [localhost:thomas/c/ciao-1.8p0] essais% dia
>>
>> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
>>
>> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
>>
>> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
>>
>> can someone help me, please ?
>
> You either are not running XDarwin.app / X-Window, or you didn't set=20=

> the DISPLAY variable in Terminal.app. If you use tcsh (standard shell=20=

> on MacOS X, i.e. the  default):
>
> setenv DISPLAY :0.0

well,
i need open XDarwin.app to run dia, then it runs  :-))  thanks to Max=20
Horn

i don't understand the role of "setenv DISPLAY :0.0" :
if it is but XDarwin isn't open, the error is "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot=20
open display: :0.0"
but if it isn't with XDarwin open, dia runs

in all cases, i have the error
Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
even if dia runs just after it

for finish, just a small error running dia :
when i choose the menu help:dia manual, there's nothing in dia, and=20
"Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1" in the=20=

terminal

thank you for your help in advance :-)

[Fink-beginners] Is there a way to determine X-Server Mode?

[Roger F. <ro...@ma...>]

Is there a variable I can test to determine whether XFree86 is 
running in Full Screen or Rootless mode?

I'd like to modify my .xinitrc to start up xfce if I'm running in 
full screen, but use a more basic window manager (without the task 
bar) if I'm running rootless.

Any ideas on how to do this?

Thanks
- Rog

[Fink-beginners] uninstalling Sawfish, et al

[<ge...@ma...>]

If I tell Fink:
fink uninstall sawfish
(or is it 'fink remove'?)

Will Fink get rid of EVERYTHING that got installed with the Sawfish install,
including Users that got created? (by "get rid of" I mean make into free
disk space)

If not, how would I go about such a removal?

What's happened is that I've learned a bit about Gnome and now I'll be
installing Blackbox or something that doesn't install all that Gnome stuff.

:)

Thank you,

Ted