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From: Lars K. <l.k...@me...> - 2008-02-07 05:53:52
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"Ralf Becker" <Ral...@ou...> schrieb: > I weighted your concerns against the ones of the project, needing new > developers to help maintain and develop the existing code. I explained > my reasons for the decision. I don't see the benefit for the project when one developer which does not write any code gets added to the project and at least 2 longtime core developers are leaving the project. > You cited the constitution that the ultimate instance in the project are > the project members. In my understanding that does not mean an admin has > to do whatever a project member asks for. He has to follow (what he > thinks) the majority of the members want and of cause the constitution. What ever it means. Currently you are not acting for the project, but only for your self. From my point of view the project did not improve, since you added Nigel to the project. Since you added Nigel to the project, the project is in big trouble. > For me this again boils down to: you and Conny have your idea how to > further develop the project (the complete rewrite you do with Tine). > Others (including me) have a different opinion. I don't think an admin > election makes any sense, before the decision which direction the > project as a whole wants to go! The project needs admins which care for the project. Currently we have no admins. Decissions take over 2 months. > Let's say the vote makes you and Conny two of the three admins and one > month later the majority decides not to use Tine as new eGW version in > future. Or the opposite the admins stay as they are and the majority > decides to use Tine. I don't think that we will get enough votes, if the developers are against our codebase. > It was you who wanted to wait with the vote "should Tine be the new eGW > version" 'til you are further with your "prove of concept". You stated > in December it will be in the first quarter of 2008. If you think you > are ready, just state so and we are going to vote on it. After that vote > we might want to have also an admin election, but shortly before it > makes absolutely no sense to me. We are not yet ready. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele |
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From: Ralf B. <Ral...@ou...> - 2008-02-07 04:10:03
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Hi Conny, Cornelius Weiss schrieb: > This is my third 'call for supporters for a vote'. I realy hope that > the admins supply a 'list of voters' soon, so that you can start > supporting. I posted a project members list, as I understand it, a few days ago. I have not seen any objections or additions to it from any other project member or admin. > --BEGIN-- > All active developers are allowed to post messages on the various > mailing lists of the project, regarding their current work. > > Moreover they could place news on the eGroupWare.org news section if > they have topics of general interest. > --END For me it makes no sense to have a vote to change the admin decision you and Lars accepted 1,5 month ago. (It makes no difference if you have understood it any different.) If you think that decision is wrong, just openly call for a vote to have that decision revoked by the project members. Or do as you both promised and call for a final vote on accepting Tine as new eGW development direction for the whole project. In my opinion everything else is just distracting the project and dishonest. If you need more time, that's ok with me, but then please dont start the whole Tine discussion under a slightly different cover again! Ralf > > If our developers commnity faces problems like spamming or inadequate > advertising, we sould also setup rules for contents on the eGroupWare > webpage like allowed ads, and also make policies for the mailing- > lists. But from my point of view we don't need it at the moment. > > cu > conny > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core -- Ralf Becker eGroupWare Training & Support ==> http://www.egroupware-support.de Outdoor Unlimited Training GmbH [www.outdoor-training.de] Handelsregister HRB Kaiserslautern 3587 Geschäftsführer Birgit und Ralf Becker Leibnizstr. 17, 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany Telefon +49 (0)631 31657-0 |
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From: Ralf B. <Ral...@ou...> - 2008-02-07 04:00:33
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Hi Lars, I have NOT just ignored your and Connys opinion! I weighted your concerns against the ones of the project, needing new developers to help maintain and develop the existing code. I explained my reasons for the decision. You cited the constitution that the ultimate instance in the project are the project members. In my understanding that does not mean an admin has to do whatever a project member asks for. He has to follow (what he thinks) the majority of the members want and of cause the constitution. For me this again boils down to: you and Conny have your idea how to further develop the project (the complete rewrite you do with Tine). Others (including me) have a different opinion. I dont think an admin election makes any sense, before the decision which direction the project as a whole wants to go! Let's say the vote makes you and Conny two of the three admins and one month later the majority decides not to use Tine as new eGW version in future. Or the opposite the admins stay as they are and the majority decides to use Tine. It was you who wanted to wait with the vote "should Tine be the new eGW version" 'til you are further with your "prove of concept". You stated in December it will be in the first quarter of 2008. If you think you are ready, just state so and we are going to vote on it. After that vote we might want to have also an admin election, but shortly before it makes absolutely no sense to me. Ralf -- Ralf Becker eGroupWare Training & Support ==> http://www.egroupware-support.de Outdoor Unlimited Training GmbH [www.outdoor-training.de] Handelsregister HRB Kaiserslautern 3587 Geschäftsführer Birgit und Ralf Becker Leibnizstr. 17, 67663 Kaiserslautern, Germany Telefon +49 (0)631 31657-0 |
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From: Lars K. <l.k...@me...> - 2008-02-06 18:36:15
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"Miles Lott" <mi...@gr...> schrieb: > Lars Kneschke wrote: >>If you don't have the time to care of our project, then please step back. >>Other people have the needed time.</pre> >> > The amount of time we each have for the project is not the issue. >Sometimes you can really do too much, and I think that is evident. Also, >not everyone gets paid to work on egroupware, and our opinion is just as >valid as those who do. Think again about my perspective. > I don't think that ignoring the problems is the right way. > >> >>Ralf asked if someone will object if he adds Nigel to our project. >>Corneliusand me objected as Nigel massively offended us and still did not >>apologizefor his actions. Ralf simply ignored our opinion. And you >>too.</pre> >> > People are going to offend one another at times. Since neither of the >other two admins were there, we cannot verify what happened. > It's totally unimportant if you can verify it or not. Of course you can not. We stated that we don't want to have Nigel in the project and Ralf simply ignored it. Either the admins respect the opinions of the current project members or not. If you ignore our opinions, then we don't need any admins. And why did Nigel to become a project member? He can send his patches to Ralf or to his employe. He never commited any patch so far. There was absolutly no need to make him a project member, other then to offend us. > >> >>As long as the admins don't listen to the developers as the >>ultimateinstance in our project, the constitution can be dropped into the >>trashcan.If the admins don't take care of the constitution, why should I? >>Why shouldI accept these admins anymore?I don't need admins which don't >>care of my interests, but only care aboutthere own interests. As admin it >>is your job to find a solution allprojectmembers can live with. But you >>even did't try to do this.</pre> >> > Just because we do not agree with you does not mean that we are not acting >with consideration to all project members. As I said before, there is >nothing about this issue that is affecting your ability to work within the >project. It will be considered on our schedule and not on yours. It is >not possible for that to occur now, so you will have to be patient. By >the way, it was known that Ralf would be going on vacation soon after the >activities of December 2007. Now you have destroyed any faith in you. It was your decission to solve one problem after the other. We could have solve this problem in December. We could also solve this problem now, as the facts are very clear. But it's ok. Hopefully you(the admins) will at least be able to prepare a list of the current project members with voting rights. It's time so elect new admins, who really take care for the project. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele |
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From: Cornelius W. <eg...@vo...> - 2008-02-06 15:49:31
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Hi Pim, last monday i wrote two concrete proposals and stated that I want to call for supporters for them according to our constitution. I'm totally with you, that there are many more topics to resolve. But we have to solve one after the oder. (Your words :-) ) So please admins, deliver a list, so that we can vote on the topics. If you like to skip the 'call for supporters for a vote' phase, just two of you must comply to vote on the topic. But nevertheless we need a list of voters. cu conny Am 29.01.2008 um 12:25 schrieb Pim Snel: > Connie and everyone, > > I agree we must now improve the organization. There are obvious > problems and its a good time to try to solve them now the emotions > are tempered. > > About the Admins > The current board of Admins are voted after and because of the the > former crisis we had with Mr. Jung. I think everybody wanted a new > situation where the project could not be hijacked by one person. The > role of the new admins was primary protecting the project. I think > its time now to enhance the role of the Adminstrators. If in fact > Admins are chosen for 1 year, I think it's also good that an admin > forms a short term innovation plan. Though this should be concerning > the project structure and not about making technical decisions. If > we implement a new Admin role, we must take time to discuss how we > can protect the project against hijacking admins. > > Protecting the name eGroupWare. > I also think its now really time we must create clear guidelines how > the name eGoupWare may and may not be used. If we have these > regulation complete, we must try to officially protect the name > againt people of organizations who not resprect these regulations. > If there are guidelines there can not be misunderstanding. Together > we have made the name eGroupWare of worth so we must trust that > eGroupWare is owned by the project. > > Branding > Personally I'm impressed by the way the TYPO3 project handles its > branding: thay have a a style guide which tells everybody how the > TYPO3 branding can and can not be used. I think this could also > server the eGroupWare project. See http://typo3.org/teams/design/style-guide/ > > About the voting and official member list > I once made a plan to handle this including the specs of an egw-app > to automate parts of this. t's a bit outdated but I think there are > some good thoughts in it. Maybe you would like to read it. I placed > it on our website: http://www.lingewoud.nl/index.php?id=337 > > greets, > Pim > > > > > > > > > > Op 28 jan 2008, om 14:35 heeft Cornelius Weiss het volgende > geschreven: > >> hi devs, >> >> about 5 weeks ago, we quited the ugly scene about the tine 2.0 >> codebase. I think this is a good time to review what happend, as >> it's near enough to know what happend, and far enough to have a >> factually discussion. >> >> Thinking about our project, and its constituions, for me the >> outcome of the bizarre situation is, that we have to apply a few >> patches to the project, to avoid having such situations again. >> >> In my view, this are the most urgent topics: >> >> 1. eGroupWare needs a clear voting schema. >> While voting is a normal and important action for a democratic >> project, in eGroupWare it only takes place in critical situations. >> I'm convinced that we wouldn't have to face situation like last >> month, if we had some minor technical votes in the normal egw >> development cycle. >> It's interesting to note, that there was no single vote since we >> have released our consitution in March 2005. >> >> Most pending is a list of members, which are allowed to vote. The >> terminus 'active developers' is not helpful as it is to vague. The >> absence of such a list, builds a high barrier as every vote >> implies a discussion about who is allowed to vote and who not. This >> kind of discussion always offends those, not allowed to vote. >> >> I think we need clear rules, who is allowed to vote. Therefore we >> need to change our consitution and adopt an updated version of our >> new members howto! These new rules must make clear at any time, who >> is allowed to vote without any additional discussions. >> >> 2. eGroupWare needs frequent admin votes >> In any democracy it's common to have votes from time to time. >> Unfortunately not in eGroupWare. This leads to the current >> situation of having two admins which are allmost not known to the >> new developers. It was already stated on the core-list that this >> situation is dangerous, as the only remaining active admin now has >> a power position which was never intended by our constitution. >> >> Currently we need to declare our distrust to the admins to have an >> admin vote. Thus an admin vote is always offending and not a normal >> action as it should be in a democracy. This leads to disastrous >> situations like the one we had to face lastly. >> >> I think we need frequent admin votes any 12 months. The admin >> situation must reflect the project situation, and I think frequent >> votes are the right tool for this. >> >> >> I'll prepare suggestions for the points and ask for supporters >> according to our constitution. As this needs a list of 'active >> members' allowed to vote, I request the current admins to deliver >> such a list. >> >> cu >> conny >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
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From: Cornelius W. <eg...@vo...> - 2008-02-06 15:42:48
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This is my third 'call for supporters for a vote'. I realy hope that the admins supply a 'list of voters' soon, so that you can start supporting. --BEGIN-- All active developers are allowed to post messages on the various mailing lists of the project, regarding their current work. Moreover they could place news on the eGroupWare.org news section if they have topics of general interest. --END If our developers commnity faces problems like spamming or inadequate advertising, we sould also setup rules for contents on the eGroupWare webpage like allowed ads, and also make policies for the mailing- lists. But from my point of view we don't need it at the moment. cu conny |
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From: Cornelius W. <eg...@vo...> - 2008-02-06 15:19:16
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*blush* In my mind-proxy there was a _not_ in the sentence. So you're right, my fault, I didn't read the scentence right. Sorry!!! I just don't understand this paragraph w.o. the _not_ in it. Is it really your oppinion, that its fair that Metaways pais 4 full time developers at the moment, coding for eGroupWare and they are not allowed to post a tiny news on egroupware.org? Can't be true! I'll setup my third 'call for supporters for a vote' in just a minute. cu conny Am 06.02.2008 um 15:35 schrieb Miles Lott: > 4. There will be no public announcements or press releases which are > are not sanctioned by the project itself, including its > administration, > as long as Tine is part of the eGroupWare project. > > This is what we will be considering as soon as possible. > > Cornelius Weiss wrote: >> >> Hi Miles, >> >> Am 06.02.2008 um 14:58 schrieb Miles Lott: >> >>> However, the announcement in question must also be considered. >>> Since it >>> does appear to be a violation of our decision made 12-18-2007, it >>> has >>> been disabled pending admin discussion. >>> >> I can't find a violation by this post. The admin statement form >> 12-18-2007 states, that Tine is now official part of eGroupWare. >> >> Later on there is a paragraph, that we sould not post on the users >> list and so on as long we are not part. >> >> So where is the problem? >> >> cu >> conny >> >> >> >>> Please do not post any >>> additional news items regarding tine until it has been cleared by at >>> least one admin. The request should be done via email to >>> ad...@eg... to ensure that we have each been notified. I >>> don't see how else to handle this without allowing anarchy to >>> persist. >>> >>> Cornelius Weiss wrote: >>> >>>> Hi devs, >>>> >>>> yesterday at 17:40 CET the egroupware.org website got hijacked by a >>>> user named "Lutz Falkenburg". >>>> >>>> He managed to disable the newssection and some html blocks on the >>>> frontpage and on the news page. >>>> >>>> The attack came from a valid egroupware.org account. This user had >>>> the >>>> technical grants to do so, due to his membership of the groups >>>> 'editors' and 'manaual'. He got this memberships about two years >>>> ago, >>>> cause he offert do translate website and manaual into german >>>> language. >>>> >>>> However afaik this user never translated stuff, and kept inactive >>>> about two years, till yesterday. >>>> As i was the one, granting this privileges, I applogize for missing >>>> to >>>> remove the grants after it became clear that this user is mainly a >>>> jerk. >>>> >>>> In my function as being teamleader of the webmasters team, i >>>> deactivated the account and restored our website. >>>> >>>> The same user also tried to rampage in the tine forum. We noticed >>>> attacs from different IP's which lastely seem to come from the TOR >>>> network. >>>> >>>> As a result i would like to implement a feature which prevents >>>> editing >>>> egroupware.org website from TOR network or other known hijacked >>>> IP's. >>>> If somone knows a PHP library for this task, please let me know. >>>> >>>> The atacker is a known jerk from the german users list, famous for >>>> verbally attacking developers, admins and supporters of the >>>> project. >>>> In the last days he uses the absence of ralf and labes himself as >>>> 'official project member'. Unfortunally I cant remove him from the >>>> lists, as i don't have the lists password. Ralf gave i to me before >>>> his vacation last year but i can't find it in my records. >>>> >>>> In the next days i'll have a look at the access grants for the >>>> egroupware.org website an remove not longer active translaters and >>>> editor accounts. >>>> >>>> cu >>>> conny >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> eGroupWare-core mailing list >>>> eGr...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Miles Lott >>> http://bandmix.com/milosch/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> eGroupWare-core mailing list >>> eGr...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >> > > -- > Miles Lott > http://bandmix.com/milosch/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
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From: Cornelius W. <eg...@vo...> - 2008-02-06 15:11:41
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Hi Klaus, i know that your still alive, i see it in the commit logs :-) We just have a bunch of translators which offered help two years ago, when I setup the new website. And i just have no overview at the moment whats up with this accounts. This where mostly people, not know to me or ralf. cu conny Am 06.02.2008 um 10:07 schrieb Klaus Leithoff: > Hi Connie, > good thing you noticed, and acted that fast. Thanks for that. > As you go disabling nonactive editors, please leave my grants to edit > knowledgebase, even that my work there is lacking the much needed > activity I promised for the CodeCorner. > Best regards. > Klausi > > "Cornelius Weiss" <eg...@vo...> schrieb: >> Hi devs, >> >> yesterday at 17:40 CET the egroupware.org website got hijacked by a >> user named "Lutz Falkenburg". >> >> He managed to disable the newssection and some html blocks on the >> frontpage and on the news page. >> >> The attack came from a valid egroupware.org account. This user had >> the >> technical grants to do so, due to his membership of the groups >> 'editors' and 'manaual'. He got this memberships about two years ago, >> cause he offert do translate website and manaual into german >> language. >> >> However afaik this user never translated stuff, and kept inactive >> about two years, till yesterday. >> As i was the one, granting this privileges, I applogize for missing >> to >> remove the grants after it became clear that this user is mainly a >> jerk. >> >> In my function as being teamleader of the webmasters team, i >> deactivated the account and restored our website. >> >> The same user also tried to rampage in the tine forum. We noticed >> attacs from different IP's which lastely seem to come from the TOR >> network. >> >> As a result i would like to implement a feature which prevents >> editing >> egroupware.org website from TOR network or other known hijacked IP's. >> If somone knows a PHP library for this task, please let me know. >> >> The atacker is a known jerk from the german users list, famous for >> verbally attacking developers, admins and supporters of the project. >> In the last days he uses the absence of ralf and labes himself as >> 'official project member'. Unfortunally I cant remove him from the >> lists, as i don't have the lists password. Ralf gave i to me before >> his vacation last year but i can't find it in my records. >> >> In the next days i'll have a look at the access grants for the >> egroupware.org website an remove not longer active translaters and >> editor accounts. >> >> cu >> conny >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
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From: Miles L. <mi...@gr...> - 2008-02-06 14:56:54
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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Lars Kneschke wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:3eb...@of..." type="cite"><!---->If you don't have the time to care of our project, then please step back.<br> <pre wrap="">Other people have the needed time. </pre> </blockquote> The amount of time we each have for the project is not the issue. Sometimes you can really do too much, and I think that is evident. Also, not everyone gets paid to work on egroupware, and our opinion is just as valid as those who do. Think again about my perspective. <br> <br> <blockquote cite="mid:3eb...@of..." type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Ralf asked if someone will object if he adds Nigel to our project. Cornelius and me objected as Nigel massively offended us and still did not apologize for his actions. Ralf simply ignored our opinion. And you too. </pre> </blockquote> People are going to offend one another at times. Since neither of the other two admins were there, we cannot verify what happened.<br> <br> <blockquote cite="mid:3eb...@of..." type="cite"> <pre wrap="">As long as the admins don't listen to the developers as the ultimate instance in our project, the constitution can be dropped into the trashcan. If the admins don't take care of the constitution, why should I? Why should I accept these admins anymore? I don't need admins which don't care of my interests, but only care about there own interests. As admin it is your job to find a solution all projectmembers can live with. But you even did't try to do this. </pre> </blockquote> Just because we do not agree with you does not mean that we are not acting with consideration to all project members. As I said before, there is nothing about this issue that is affecting your ability to work within the project. It will be considered on our schedule and not on yours. It is not possible for that to occur now, so you will have to be patient. By the way, it was known that Ralf would be going on vacation soon after the activities of December 2007.<br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"> </pre> </body> </html> |
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From: Lutz F. (irrsinn.de gmbh) <lf...@ir...> - 2008-02-06 14:45:21
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ok, thanks. so i can now post on the core list? Regards Lutz irrsinn.de gmbh Im Dorfe 38 99489 Hottelstedt Fon: 036452/18954 Fax: 036452/18956 http://www.irrsinn.de eMail: in...@ir... Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com Wir beseitigen E-Müll: http://www.defendix.net Am 06.02.2008 um 15:34 schrieb Miles Lott: > By the way, I found where your messages were being moderated, which > is why the older messages are now showing up. Same for Jose. > > jaytraxx wrote: >> >> Hi Lutz, >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >>> Very intersting how you are acting here Lars! >>> First you took a long deep sleep and now everything is not fast >>> enough.... >>> >>> >> Conny and Lars are definitely acting on tine20 at the moment (I >> think you >> know that), so they do not sleep. >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >>> I think some others here have problems to respect you as project >>> member nor as admin! >>> >>> >> I don't ! >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >>> So cool down. >>> >>> >> tine20 IS cool, and so are the authors :-) >> >> So far, now my 2cents: >> --- >> This post started a *bit* aggressive, but I also think that >> eGroupware at >> the moment suffers from a lack of man-power: >> - from the admin side AND from the developers side >> >> So, I think it's a good attempt from Lars to change that. >> -- END of my2cents >> >> Bye >> Christian >> >> >> Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: >> >>> irrsinn.de gmbh >>> Im Dorfe 38 >>> 99489 Hottelstedt >>> >>> Fon: 036452/18954 >>> Fax: 036452/18956 >>> >>> http://www.irrsinn.de >>> eMail: in...@ir... >>> >>> Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 >>> Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg >>> >>> IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop >>> 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com >>> Wir beseitigen E-Müll: http://www.defendix.net >>> >>> Am 01.02.2008 um 04:06 schrieb Lars Kneschke: >>> >>> >>>> Hello admins! >>>> >>>> Do you still care for the project? >>>> >>>> We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers >>>> case. >>>> We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting >>>> rights. >>>> Miles is vannished completly. >>>> >>>> If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin >>>> anymore, >>>> please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can >>>> carry on and elect new admins. >>>> >>>> The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and >>>> you are required to solve these problems. >>>> >>>> I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do >>>> any work for the project anymore. >>>> Lars Kneschke >>>> CTO OfficeSpot.Net >>>> Metaways Infosystems GmbH >>>> Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg >>>> >>>> eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net >>>> OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net >>>> our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org >>>> >>>> E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... >>>> Web: http://www.metaways.de >>>> Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 >>>> Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 >>>> Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 >>>> >>>> Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel >>>> Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 >>>> Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >>>> eGroupWare-core mailing list >>>> eGr...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >>> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> eGroupWare-core mailing list >>> eGr...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > Miles Lott > http://bandmix.com/milosch/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
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From: Miles L. <mi...@gr...> - 2008-02-06 14:35:37
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4. There will be no public announcements or press releases which are
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are not sanctioned by the project itself, including its administration,
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as long as Tine is part of the eGroupWare project.<br>
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This is what we will be considering as soon as possible.<br>
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Am 06.02.2008 um 14:58 schrieb Miles Lott:
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<pre wrap="">However, the announcement in question must also be considered.
Since it
does appear to be a violation of our decision made 12-18-2007, it has
been disabled pending admin discussion.
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I can't find a violation by this post. The admin statement form
12-18-2007 states, that Tine is now official part of eGroupWare.
Later on there is a paragraph, that we sould not post on the users
list and so on as long we are not part.
So where is the problem?
cu
conny
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additional news items regarding tine until it has been cleared by at
least one admin. The request should be done via email to
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don't see how else to handle this without allowing anarchy to persist.
Cornelius Weiss wrote:
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yesterday at 17:40 CET the egroupware.org website got hijacked by a
user named "Lutz Falkenburg".
He managed to disable the newssection and some html blocks on the
frontpage and on the news page.
The attack came from a valid egroupware.org account. This user had
the
technical grants to do so, due to his membership of the groups
'editors' and 'manaual'. He got this memberships about two years ago,
cause he offert do translate website and manaual into german
language.
However afaik this user never translated stuff, and kept inactive
about two years, till yesterday.
As i was the one, granting this privileges, I applogize for missing
to
remove the grants after it became clear that this user is mainly a
jerk.
In my function as being teamleader of the webmasters team, i
deactivated the account and restored our website.
The same user also tried to rampage in the tine forum. We noticed
attacs from different IP's which lastely seem to come from the TOR
network.
As a result i would like to implement a feature which prevents
editing
egroupware.org website from TOR network or other known hijacked IP's.
If somone knows a PHP library for this task, please let me know.
The atacker is a known jerk from the german users list, famous for
verbally attacking developers, admins and supporters of the project.
In the last days he uses the absence of ralf and labes himself as
'official project member'. Unfortunally I cant remove him from the
lists, as i don't have the lists password. Ralf gave i to me before
his vacation last year but i can't find it in my records.
In the next days i'll have a look at the access grants for the
egroupware.org website an remove not longer active translaters and
editor accounts.
cu
conny
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From: Miles L. <mi...@gr...> - 2008-02-06 14:34:32
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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> By the way, I found where your messages were being moderated, which is why the older messages are now showing up. Same for Jose.<br> <br> jaytraxx wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:152...@ta..." type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi Lutz, Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Very intersting how you are acting here Lars! First you took a long deep sleep and now everything is not fast enough.... </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> Conny and Lars are definitely acting on tine20 at the moment (I think you know that), so they do not sleep. Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I think some others here have problems to respect you as project member nor as admin! </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> I don't ! Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">So cool down. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> tine20 IS cool, and so are the authors :-) So far, now my 2cents: --- This post started a *bit* aggressive, but I also think that eGroupware at the moment suffers from a lack of man-power: - from the admin side AND from the developers side So, I think it's a good attempt from Lars to change that. -- END of my2cents Bye Christian Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> irrsinn.de gmbh Im Dorfe 38 99489 Hottelstedt Fon: 036452/18954 Fax: 036452/18956 <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.irrsinn.de">http://www.irrsinn.de</a> eMail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:in...@ir...">in...@ir...</a> Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.irrsinn.de/shop">http://www.irrsinn.de/shop</a> 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com">http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com</a> Wir beseitigen E-Müll: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.defendix.net">http://www.defendix.net</a> Am 01.02.2008 um 04:06 schrieb Lars Kneschke: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hello admins! Do you still care for the project? We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. Miles is vannished completly. If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can carry on and elect new admins. The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and you are required to solve these problems. I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do any work for the project anymore. Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.egroupware-support.net">http://www.egroupware-support.net</a> OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cs.officespot.net">http://cs.officespot.net</a> our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tine20.org">http://www.tine20.org</a> E-Mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:l.k...@me...">mailto:l.k...@me...</a> Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.metaways.de">http://www.metaways.de</a> Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________">http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________</a> eGroupWare-core mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eGr...@li...">eGr...@li...</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/">http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/</a> _______________________________________________ eGroupWare-core mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:eGr...@li...">eGr...@li...</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> </pre> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Miles Lott <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bandmix.com/milosch/">http://bandmix.com/milosch/</a></pre> </body> </html> |
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From: Cornelius W. <eg...@vo...> - 2008-02-06 14:31:18
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Hi Miles, Am 06.02.2008 um 14:58 schrieb Miles Lott: > > However, the announcement in question must also be considered. > Since it > does appear to be a violation of our decision made 12-18-2007, it has > been disabled pending admin discussion. I can't find a violation by this post. The admin statement form 12-18-2007 states, that Tine is now official part of eGroupWare. Later on there is a paragraph, that we sould not post on the users list and so on as long we are not part. So where is the problem? cu conny > Please do not post any > additional news items regarding tine until it has been cleared by at > least one admin. The request should be done via email to > ad...@eg... to ensure that we have each been notified. I > don't see how else to handle this without allowing anarchy to persist. > > Cornelius Weiss wrote: >> Hi devs, >> >> yesterday at 17:40 CET the egroupware.org website got hijacked by a >> user named "Lutz Falkenburg". >> >> He managed to disable the newssection and some html blocks on the >> frontpage and on the news page. >> >> The attack came from a valid egroupware.org account. This user had >> the >> technical grants to do so, due to his membership of the groups >> 'editors' and 'manaual'. He got this memberships about two years ago, >> cause he offert do translate website and manaual into german >> language. >> >> However afaik this user never translated stuff, and kept inactive >> about two years, till yesterday. >> As i was the one, granting this privileges, I applogize for missing >> to >> remove the grants after it became clear that this user is mainly a >> jerk. >> >> In my function as being teamleader of the webmasters team, i >> deactivated the account and restored our website. >> >> The same user also tried to rampage in the tine forum. We noticed >> attacs from different IP's which lastely seem to come from the TOR >> network. >> >> As a result i would like to implement a feature which prevents >> editing >> egroupware.org website from TOR network or other known hijacked IP's. >> If somone knows a PHP library for this task, please let me know. >> >> The atacker is a known jerk from the german users list, famous for >> verbally attacking developers, admins and supporters of the project. >> In the last days he uses the absence of ralf and labes himself as >> 'official project member'. Unfortunally I cant remove him from the >> lists, as i don't have the lists password. Ralf gave i to me before >> his vacation last year but i can't find it in my records. >> >> In the next days i'll have a look at the access grants for the >> egroupware.org website an remove not longer active translaters and >> editor accounts. >> >> cu >> conny >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core >> > > -- > Miles Lott > http://bandmix.com/milosch/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
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From: Miles L. <mi...@gr...> - 2008-02-06 13:58:29
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I agree that this action was uncalled for. At best it was not his responsibility to take action, and we will consider the appropriate repsonse. Thank you for re-enabling news_admin, etc. However, the announcement in question must also be considered. Since it does appear to be a violation of our decision made 12-18-2007, it has been disabled pending admin discussion. Please do not post any additional news items regarding tine until it has been cleared by at least one admin. The request should be done via email to ad...@eg... to ensure that we have each been notified. I don't see how else to handle this without allowing anarchy to persist. Cornelius Weiss wrote: > Hi devs, > > yesterday at 17:40 CET the egroupware.org website got hijacked by a > user named "Lutz Falkenburg". > > He managed to disable the newssection and some html blocks on the > frontpage and on the news page. > > The attack came from a valid egroupware.org account. This user had the > technical grants to do so, due to his membership of the groups > 'editors' and 'manaual'. He got this memberships about two years ago, > cause he offert do translate website and manaual into german language. > > However afaik this user never translated stuff, and kept inactive > about two years, till yesterday. > As i was the one, granting this privileges, I applogize for missing to > remove the grants after it became clear that this user is mainly a jerk. > > In my function as being teamleader of the webmasters team, i > deactivated the account and restored our website. > > The same user also tried to rampage in the tine forum. We noticed > attacs from different IP's which lastely seem to come from the TOR > network. > > As a result i would like to implement a feature which prevents editing > egroupware.org website from TOR network or other known hijacked IP's. > If somone knows a PHP library for this task, please let me know. > > The atacker is a known jerk from the german users list, famous for > verbally attacking developers, admins and supporters of the project. > In the last days he uses the absence of ralf and labes himself as > 'official project member'. Unfortunally I cant remove him from the > lists, as i don't have the lists password. Ralf gave i to me before > his vacation last year but i can't find it in my records. > > In the next days i'll have a look at the access grants for the > egroupware.org website an remove not longer active translaters and > editor accounts. > > cu > conny > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core > -- Miles Lott http://bandmix.com/milosch/ |
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From: Klaus L. <kl...@st...> - 2008-02-06 09:07:26
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Hi Connie, good thing you noticed, and acted that fast. Thanks for that. As you go disabling nonactive editors, please leave my grants to edit knowledgebase, even that my work there is lacking the much needed activity I promised for the CodeCorner. Best regards. Klausi "Cornelius Weiss" <eg...@vo...> schrieb: > Hi devs, > > yesterday at 17:40 CET the egroupware.org website got hijacked by a > user named "Lutz Falkenburg". > > He managed to disable the newssection and some html blocks on the > frontpage and on the news page. > > The attack came from a valid egroupware.org account. This user had the > technical grants to do so, due to his membership of the groups > 'editors' and 'manaual'. He got this memberships about two years ago, > cause he offert do translate website and manaual into german language. > > However afaik this user never translated stuff, and kept inactive > about two years, till yesterday. > As i was the one, granting this privileges, I applogize for missing to > remove the grants after it became clear that this user is mainly a jerk. > > In my function as being teamleader of the webmasters team, i > deactivated the account and restored our website. > > The same user also tried to rampage in the tine forum. We noticed > attacs from different IP's which lastely seem to come from the TOR > network. > > As a result i would like to implement a feature which prevents editing > egroupware.org website from TOR network or other known hijacked IP's. > If somone knows a PHP library for this task, please let me know. > > The atacker is a known jerk from the german users list, famous for > verbally attacking developers, admins and supporters of the project. > In the last days he uses the absence of ralf and labes himself as > 'official project member'. Unfortunally I cant remove him from the > lists, as i don't have the lists password. Ralf gave i to me before > his vacation last year but i can't find it in my records. > > In the next days i'll have a look at the access grants for the > egroupware.org website an remove not longer active translaters and > editor accounts. > > cu > conny > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core > > |
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From: Cornelius W. <eg...@vo...> - 2008-02-06 08:03:26
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Hi devs, yesterday at 17:40 CET the egroupware.org website got hijacked by a user named "Lutz Falkenburg". He managed to disable the newssection and some html blocks on the frontpage and on the news page. The attack came from a valid egroupware.org account. This user had the technical grants to do so, due to his membership of the groups 'editors' and 'manaual'. He got this memberships about two years ago, cause he offert do translate website and manaual into german language. However afaik this user never translated stuff, and kept inactive about two years, till yesterday. As i was the one, granting this privileges, I applogize for missing to remove the grants after it became clear that this user is mainly a jerk. In my function as being teamleader of the webmasters team, i deactivated the account and restored our website. The same user also tried to rampage in the tine forum. We noticed attacs from different IP's which lastely seem to come from the TOR network. As a result i would like to implement a feature which prevents editing egroupware.org website from TOR network or other known hijacked IP's. If somone knows a PHP library for this task, please let me know. The atacker is a known jerk from the german users list, famous for verbally attacking developers, admins and supporters of the project. In the last days he uses the absence of ralf and labes himself as 'official project member'. Unfortunally I cant remove him from the lists, as i don't have the lists password. Ralf gave i to me before his vacation last year but i can't find it in my records. In the next days i'll have a look at the access grants for the egroupware.org website an remove not longer active translaters and editor accounts. cu conny |
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From: Lars K. <l.k...@me...> - 2008-02-06 06:22:49
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... that someone disabled the news section on eGroupWare.org because there was a short sentence that we have reached milestone 2 for the experimental Tine 2.0 branch. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele |
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From: Lars K. <l.k...@me...> - 2008-02-06 06:14:06
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"Miles Lott" <mi...@gr...> schrieb: > The following is my personal opinion and does not constitute an > administrative decision: > > Lars Kneschke wrote: >> Why do we need to wait until march? I thought that we have 3 project admins? >> > Yes, but some of us have lives away from egw. I am currently trying to > get 2 new businesses going. Sorry, but that is the most important thing > right now, since they pay my rent. If you don't have the time to care of our project, then please step back. Other people have the needed time. > What you are perceiving has everything to do with our current stated or > unstated opinion on the Nigel 'issue' being different from your own. As > far as I am concerned, the only issue is how you will deal with him > continuing to be a project member. It does not impact your ability to > write code for tine or egroupware, so please concentrate on this, if > this is what you want to do. If you are only interested in removing him > as a project member, then I think you will only find disappointment. >> From my point of view, we can drop the constitution of our project in the >> trash can. No one cares and takes care about it anyway. >> > The way in which Nigel became a project member and the fact that he is a > project member does not, as far as I can see right now, violate the > constitution. What I see is only a strong hatred towards him. With > that sort of emotion, you will never be happy as long as you keep up > with this fight. You are the one who has to make a decision. > > If he is not the reason for you wanting to trash the constitution, then > what is? A quote from our constitution: The Open Source Groupware Suite eGroupWare is a community effort, developed by people for their own enjoyment or to make their living from it. --> The ultimate instance in the eGroupWare project are these developers. <-- ... Ralf asked if someone will object if he adds Nigel to our project. Cornelius and me objected as Nigel massively offended us and still did not apologize for his actions. Ralf simply ignored our opinion. And you too. As long as the admins don't listen to the developers as the ultimate instance in our project, the constitution can be dropped into the trashcan. If the admins don't take care of the constitution, why should I? Why should I accept these admins anymore? I don't need admins which don't care of my interests, but only care about there own interests. As admin it is your job to find a solution all projectmembers can live with. But you even did't try to do this. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele |
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From: Miles L. <mi...@gr...> - 2008-02-05 13:34:11
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The following is my personal opinion and does not constitute an administrative decision: Lars Kneschke wrote: > Why do we need to wait until march? I thought that we have 3 project admins? > Yes, but some of us have lives away from egw. I am currently trying to get 2 new businesses going. Sorry, but that is the most important thing right now, since they pay my rent. > In reality we have only one project admin, who does not care about the > opinion of the other project members. This is the same situation, before we > had the admin elections. One admin is acting on his own and the other admins > are gone. > What you are perceiving has everything to do with our current stated or unstated opinion on the Nigel 'issue' being different from your own. As far as I am concerned, the only issue is how you will deal with him continuing to be a project member. It does not impact your ability to write code for tine or egroupware, so please concentrate on this, if this is what you want to do. If you are only interested in removing him as a project member, then I think you will only find disappointment. > From my point of view, we can drop the constitution of our project in the > trash can. No one cares and takes care about it anyway. > The way in which Nigel became a project member and the fact that he is a project member does not, as far as I can see right now, violate the constitution. What I see is only a strong hatred towards him. With that sort of emotion, you will never be happy as long as you keep up with this fight. You are the one who has to make a decision. If he is not the reason for you wanting to trash the constitution, then what is? |
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From: Lars K. <l.k...@me...> - 2008-02-05 10:15:47
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"Ralf Becker" <Ral...@ou...> schrieb: > My opinion about project members with voting right are the following: > - all people which currently have svn access (for the eGW repository, not > Tine, as we agreed) > - the following 2 non developers: > + Oscar as translation coordinator (he has svn rights) > + Birgit as manual maintainer > - maybe Oscar or Birgit want to add a few more people, who made substantial > contributions > - I dont consider anyone from the sf.net list, not already mentioned above, > as they have not been active for years now > > I fully support the idea of having a official list, viewable for everyone. > It's a bad idea to start sorting out that, when we are about to vote on > something. I will look into it, right when I'm back in March. Why do we need to wait until march? I thought that we have 3 project admins? In reality we have only one project admin, who does not care about the opinion of the other project members. This is the same situation, before we had the admin elections. One admin is acting on his own and the other admins are gone. >From my point of view, we can drop the constitution of our project in the trash can. No one cares and takes care about it anyway. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele |
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From: Ralf B. <Ral...@ou...> - 2008-02-05 03:59:13
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Hi Lars, I see no problem here, which is urgent enough, that I need to attend to it from my vacation to Australia end of this month. I can not say if the missing reaction of Pim and Miles about the "Nigel Vicers case", means they found no fault in my acting or they had no time to look into it. My position on it is clear and I stated it here multiple times. I also support Conny clarification about announcing all changes of the membership status on the core list. I made some comments about the constitution changes Conny proposed, but again for me that is not urgent enough, to interupt my vacation for that. Of cause any one is free to have a different opinion on this on. My opinion about project members with voting right are the following: - all people which currently have svn access (for the eGW repository, not Tine, as we agreed) - the following 2 non developers: + Oscar as translation coordinator (he has svn rights) + Birgit as manual maintainer - maybe Oscar or Birgit want to add a few more people, who made substantial contributions - I dont consider anyone from the sf.net list, not already mentioned above, as they have not been active for years now I fully support the idea of having a official list, viewable for everyone. It's a bad idea to start sorting out that, when we are about to vote on something. I will look into it, right when I'm back in March. Ralf "Lars Kneschke" <l.k...@me...> schrieb:<br> >Hello admins! > >Do you still care for the project? > >We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. >We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. >Miles is vannished completly. > >If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, please >state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can carry on and >elect new admins. > >The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and you are >required to solve these problems. > >I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do any >work for the project anymore. >-------------------------------- >Lars Kneschke >CTO OfficeSpot.Net >Metaways Infosystems GmbH >Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg > >eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net >OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net >our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org > >E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... >Web: http://www.metaways.de >Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 >Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 >Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 > >Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel >Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 >Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele > > > >-------------------------------- >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >-------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >eGroupWare-core mailing list >eGr...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core > <br> -- -- eGroupWare Training & Support ==> http://www.egroupware-support.deOutdoor Unlimited Training GmbH [http://www.outdoor-training.de]Geschäftsführer: Ralf und Birgit BeckerLeibnizstr. 1767663 Kaiserslautern</pre> |
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From: jaytraxx <chr...@ja...> - 2008-02-01 11:20:33
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Hi Lutz, Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: > > Very intersting how you are acting here Lars! > First you took a long deep sleep and now everything is not fast > enough.... > Conny and Lars are definitely acting on tine20 at the moment (I think you know that), so they do not sleep. Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: > > I think some others here have problems to respect you as project > member nor as admin! > I don't ! Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: > > So cool down. > tine20 IS cool, and so are the authors :-) So far, now my 2cents: --- This post started a *bit* aggressive, but I also think that eGroupware at the moment suffers from a lack of man-power: - from the admin side AND from the developers side So, I think it's a good attempt from Lars to change that. -- END of my2cents Bye Christian Lutz Falkenburg (irrsinn.de gmbh) wrote: > > > irrsinn.de gmbh > Im Dorfe 38 > 99489 Hottelstedt > > Fon: 036452/18954 > Fax: 036452/18956 > > http://www.irrsinn.de > eMail: in...@ir... > > Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 > Geschäftsführer: Lutz Falkenburg > > IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop > 40.000 Artikel vorrätig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com > Wir beseitigen E-Müll: http://www.defendix.net > > Am 01.02.2008 um 04:06 schrieb Lars Kneschke: > >> Hello admins! >> >> Do you still care for the project? >> >> We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. >> We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. >> Miles is vannished completly. >> >> If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, >> please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can >> carry on and elect new admins. >> >> The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and >> you are required to solve these problems. >> >> I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do >> any work for the project anymore. >> Lars Kneschke >> CTO OfficeSpot.Net >> Metaways Infosystems GmbH >> Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg >> >> eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net >> OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net >> our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org >> >> E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... >> Web: http://www.metaways.de >> Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 >> Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 >> Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 >> >> Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel >> Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 >> Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________ >> eGroupWare-core mailing list >> eGr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Has-someone-seen-admins-anywhere--tp15219827s3741p15224760.html Sent from the egroupware-core mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
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From: Lutz F. (irrsinn.de gmbh) <lf...@ir...> - 2008-02-01 09:17:33
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Very intersting how you are acting here Lars! First you took a long deep sleep and now everything is not fast =20 enough.... I think some others here have problems to respect you as project =20 member nor as admin! So cool down. irrsinn.de gmbh Im Dorfe 38 99489 Hottelstedt Fon: 036452/18954 Fax: 036452/18956 http://www.irrsinn.de eMail: in...@ir... Eingetragen beim AG Jena HRB 113980 Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Lutz Falkenburg IT-Antiquariat mit Garantie: http://www.irrsinn.de/shop 40.000 Artikel vorr=E4tig: http://www.irrsinn.liefert-es.com Wir beseitigen E-M=FCll: http://www.defendix.net Am 01.02.2008 um 04:06 schrieb Lars Kneschke: > Hello admins! > > Do you still care for the project? > > We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. > We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. > Miles is vannished completly. > > If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, =20= > please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can =20 > carry on and elect new admins. > > The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and =20 > you are required to solve these problems. > > I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do =20= > any work for the project anymore. > Lars Kneschke > CTO OfficeSpot.Net > Metaways Infosystems GmbH > Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg > > eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net > OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net > our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: = http://www.tine20.org > > E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... > Web: http://www.metaways.de > Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 > Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 > Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 > > Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsb=FCttel > Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 > Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrung: Hermann Thaele, L=FCder-H.Thaele =20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > = http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/___________________= ____________________________ > eGroupWare-core mailing list > eGr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/egroupware-core |
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From: Lars K. <l.k...@me...> - 2008-02-01 03:06:37
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Hello admins! Do you still care for the project? We are still waiting for a reponse regarding the Nigel Vickers case. We are still waiting for a list of project members with voting rights. Miles is vannished completly. If you don't have the time to work for our project as admin anymore, = please state so. It's no problem. We just need to know, so we can carry on and elect new admins. The current situation is very worse. We need to solve problems and you are required to solve these problems. I really have a big problem to respect you as admin if you don't do any = work for the project anymore. -- Lars Kneschke CTO OfficeSpot.Net Metaways Infosystems GmbH Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me... Web: http://www.metaways.de Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21 Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921 Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324 Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsb=C3=BCttel Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508 Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrung: Hermann Thaele, L=C3=BCder-H.Thaele |
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From: jaytraxx <chr...@ja...> - 2008-01-30 14:30:00
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Oh, I still get this message back if I post to the core-list.
Your mail to 'eGroupWare-core' with the subject
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Christian
Ralf Becker-3 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> added jaytraxx (christian.binder-at-freakmail.de and
> christian-at-jaytraxx.de), but José (jgordor-at-gmail.com) is already
> added. I can also find no bounced or hold back mail from this addresses.
>
> Btw. Pim, Milosch and Lars also have the list admin password!
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> Ralf
>
> Lars Kneschke schrieb:
>> "José Luis Gordo Romero" <jg...@gm...> schrieb:
>>> Hi Lars,
>>>
>>> I also don't have rights to post on the core list.
>>>
>>> Thanks in adnvance
>>
>> And José should also get added to the core list.
>>
>> --
>> Lars Kneschke
>> CTO OfficeSpot.Net
>> Metaways Infosystems GmbH
>> Pickhuben 2-4, D-20457 Hamburg
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>> eGroupWare Support: http://www.egroupware-support.net
>> OfficeSpot.Net Collaboration Server: http://cs.officespot.net
>> our proposal for the next major eGroupWare release: http://www.tine20.org
>>
>> E-Mail: mailto:l.k...@me...
>> Web: http://www.metaways.de
>> Tel: +49 (0)40 317031-21
>> Fax: +49 (0)40 317031-921
>> Mobile: +49 (0)175 9304324
>>
>> Metaways Infosystems GmbH - Sitz: D-22967 Tremsbüttel
>> Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Ahrensburg HRB 4508
>> Geschäftsführung: Hermann Thaele, Lüder-H.Thaele
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