From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-09-19 19:34:23
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From oxy...@t-... 2003-19-09 12:12 ------- I haven't seen any other problems and I could not find any other bug reports in the database which look similar. I use the release delivered with RedHat 9. By the way: I did NOT set the severity to get more attention but because this Bug is a blocker for me: I can't use this graphics card and therefore can't further develop my application! So at the moment further releases are possible for windoze only. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-09-19 19:38:23
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ei...@xf... changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|dev...@bu... |dri- | |de...@li... ------- Additional Comments From ei...@xf... 2003-19-09 06:20 ------- DRI related issue. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-09-19 19:59:31
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 mi...@da... changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|normal |blocker ------- Additional Comments From mi...@da... 2003-19-09 08:15 ------- Have you seen the other bugs about Radeon 3D lockups? Have you tried a recent DRI CVS snpashot? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-09-19 20:12:32
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ei...@xf... changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|blocker |normal ------- Additional Comments From ei...@xf... 2003-19-09 06:37 ------- I don't think reporters should set the severity to get more attention. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-30 22:57:37
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From ag...@ya... 2003-30-10 17:57 ------- have you tried a recent DRI or xfree86 cvs snapshot? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-30 23:08:50
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From oxy...@t-... 2003-30-10 18:08 ------- No. Sorry, I don't have the time to spend hours and hours in experiments. Using the application from http://www.3dchat.org offers a developer the possibility to reproduce this problem within minutes (comparing to hours I'd need). So I really don't know where the problem is with this REPRODUCEABLE bug. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-31 09:10:48
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 mh...@ww... changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mh...@ww... ------- Additional Comments From mh...@ww... 2003-31-10 04:10 ------- Perhaps I can shed some light then. You are reporting bugs to people who are for the most part unpaid volunteers. You are using 4.2.x which is quite ancient, and developers for the most part don't give a flying shit about bugs in ancient software, when 4.3.0 is what the current latest XFree86 release is. Once a new release comes out, people are expected to use it if they want anyone to really care about problems they have. If you experience a bug in an older software release, and haven't tested it in the latest release, it very well could be fixed by now, and a volunteer developer isn't likely to want to waste potentially hours or even days of their own time trying to download a bunch of random software to try and reproduce a bug that might not even exist in the latest version of the software. Aside from XFree86 4.3.0 being newer however, DRI-CVS is where the current latest DRI code is, and is what should be tested if at all possible. If you aren't willing to test either 4.3.0 nor DRI CVS head, and also feel the need to be rude and obnoxious, what exactly do you think a volunteer reading your bug report is going to remotely care about your problem? If you want people to give a shit about bugs you report, here are some tips: 1) Be very polite. You are talking to volunteers. They can just as easily go watch a movie, or play tennis than spend even 2 minutes reading or caring about your problem. 2) When a developer asks you for more infomation - provide it, as soon as possible, and in as much detail as possible. 3) If a developer asks you to test something - test it, as soon as possible, and if you can't for any reason, indicate that very politely. If you're rude, you might as well not report a problem in the first place, because people working on the drivers are volunteers, not slaves. If your problem is restricting your ability to do real work, or interferes with business in any way, it's all the more reason to be super polite. You get what you pay for afterall. On the other hand, there very well may be people reading this bug report, who might be happy to negotiate a contract to fix your problem, and might not care how rude you are to them as long as your wallet is feeding them a steady stream of green. That's my personal $0.02 opinion anyway. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-31 09:26:00
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From oxy...@t-... 2003-31-10 04:25 ------- What are you talking about? I used 4.3.0 and it did NOT work! And by the way: I also develop non-commercial software in my spare time. So I'm also a volunteer. But I'd never ask people to waste hours of their time with things I could check in minutes. In the time you spent to write this answer, you already could have checked the problem in a (your?) development environment (just to compare it with my efforts: downloading, compiling, testing and reinstalling of the version which worked better would need more than two hours). If you are not willing to fix bugs you should not offer a bugtracker. Hopefully XOuvert is coming soon... -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-31 12:35:43
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From mh...@ww... 2003-31-10 07:35 ------- Fine, I misread your mention of 4.2.x as meaning you were using 4.2.x. That's a moot point however. The fact remains, if a developer asks you to test something, by all means if you can't do so for some reason, indicate that you can't do so. Wether or not you think a developer can reproduce it easily by downloading some application and reproduce it in THEIR environment in 5 minutes is not necessarily true. You have no idea what OS or environment a given developer is using who might be looking at this bug, or wether they even HAVE java environment available. Myself for example, and I assume other developers also don't have any useful need for Java and don't use an OS that comes with Java built into it. Do you expect me or someone else to locate IBM or Sun Java for example, download it, install it, work out any installation problems needed to get it working, possibly have to upgrade other software, and futz around on our own dime for some unknown amount of time, then download some unknown program and possibly have to do the same for potentially large amounts of time? Perhaps someone does have an environment that is suitable for testing the application you provided a URL for, but DO NOT assume that. You were politely asked if you had ever tried a recent DRI-CVS snapshot, and I think that was a reasonable question from someone who potentially was interested in helping you with your problem and/or looking into the matter further. With a response like you gave: "No. Sorry, I don't have the time to spend hours and hours in experiments. Using the application from http://www.3dchat.org offers a developer the possibility to reproduce this problem within minutes (comparing to hours I'd need). So I really don't know where the problem is with this REPRODUCEABLE bug." Nobody made any demands on you to do anything. A simple question was asked to which a simple yes/no answer would have been sufficient. Your attitude indicates that you more or less think that DRI/XFree86 developers should kiss your ass, or you're owed something. There is no way of anyone knowing how long it would take to set up your theoretical 5 minute test environment, and the ball is in your court really. You then shout "REPRODUCEABLE" as if to yell it directly in our faces like we should kiss your ass. I state again: You were not forced or told you MUST use DRI-CVS, it was a developer suggestion only. It is of course highly recommended, since that is where development occurs, and what is in XFree86 4.3.0 or earlier is quite old in comparison to what is in DRI-CVS, and thus is not very interesting for a DRI developer to care much about. If you insist on being rude and demanding like you have been above, I highly doubt anyone period would spend even 2 minutes to care about this issue at all. If it is truely a serious issue requiring any level of important attention, then more likely than not multiple people aside from you will be affected, and other people will report the bug also - hopefully someone more polite, who doesn't expect people to kiss their ass. >In the time you spent to write this answer, you already could have checked the >problem in a (your?) development environment (just to compare it with my >efforts: downloading, compiling, testing and reinstalling of the version which >worked better would need more than two hours). Unlikely, as I don't have a Java runtime environment or anything else Java related installed on any machines. I have no useful need for Java. Aside from that though, what compelling reason in your rude and obnoxious response to Alex's polite question would remotely compel me to even want to consider spending 10 seconds downloading that software and testing it out if I (or anyone else) *DID* have a Java environment installed? >If you are not willing to fix bugs you should not offer a bugtracker. Well first of all, this is XFree86.org's bug tracker, not mine, and I am *NOT* a member of XFree86.org in any way. I am however a volunteer who does work on XFree86 and does contribute fixes. The bug tracker is here to track bugs, however it isn't here for rude obnoxious morons to file bug reports and then badmouth developers (at XFree86.org, the DRI project, or anywhere else), or make any demands upon them. Quite frankly, if a bug is that important to you, and you can't be polite to developers, don't bother reporting the bug in the first place. If the problem affects enough people, probability-wise someone polite out there will report it eventually. > Hopefully XOuvert is coming soon... Please don't make me laugh. You read slashdot too much. Feel free to report your bug to the Xouvert webmaster if you believe the hype. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-31 12:52:13
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From oxy...@t-... 2003-31-10 07:51 ------- The package from 3dchat.org is complete and self-installing, so there would be no need to play around with separate Java-installations or other things. The only thing which had to be done is executing the installation-file. And one file which only has to be executed sounds a LITTLE bit different for me like a installation and compilation orgy with a bunch of files out of the CVS. And by the way: thats not my first bug I report here and its not the first time the only answer I get is that I have to use the latest CVS version. That doesn't sonds for me like anybody of the developers is interested in its own product. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-31 14:15:14
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From rsc...@gm... 2003-31-10 09:14 ------- Since I've time to burn... Installed it (btw the installer not only requires root permission, but the version without java requires a specific java version to be installed in a specific location (btw a different location than is specified in the start.sh script), that's not going to work for probably 99% of all cases and it certainly didn't work for me, maybe you should consider putting the java3d stuff just in the Virtual Universe directory). Seems to run (the autoupdate failed on first try, but worked the second time). No lockups. Despite the framerate showing 90fps, it stutters though a bit. Grass also looks a bit strange (constantly moving). I also got a couple of exceptions from time to time. Oh, and I've just moved around, or am I supposed to do something else to get it to lockup? R9000pro agp, dri cvs from 3 days or so ago. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-10-31 14:36:17
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From oxy...@t-... 2003-31-10 09:35 ------- The most simple way would have been to use the package including Java and Java3D, then all path-dependencies are resolved automatically. J3D can't be put into the program directory, it has to be installed in the JRE-directory, elsewhere it wouldn't work. If you could navigate, the bug seems to be removed. Typically it should crash directly after logging in. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-11-01 03:49:43
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 ------- Additional Comments From mh...@ww... 2003-31-10 22:49 ------- I don't see a large number of DRI developers clamouring to install the software at the link you provided to test if it causes crashes. Not with your rude and demanding attitude towards developers anyway. If the problem occurs with DRI-CVS head, then it might pique the interest of someone. But you don't particularly seem interested in testing it or being polite enough to make someone else care enough to test it themselves. You get further with honey than you do with guns. Feel free to submit a patch for review that fixes the problem you are experiencing. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |
From: <bug...@bu...> - 2003-11-08 00:42:40
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Please do not reply to this email: if you want to comment on the bug, go to the URL shown below and enter your comments there. http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=704 mi...@da... changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED ------- Additional Comments From mi...@da... 2003-07-11 19:42 ------- > The package from 3dchat.org is complete and self-installing, so there would be > no need to play around with separate Java-installations or other things. The > only thing which had to be done is executing the installation-file. No such thing for Linux/PPC though, which rules me out at least. BTW, I'm curious how you reconcile the claim on the front page that it's available for Linux/PPC with the fact that it seems to depend on Java 1.4... I've more or less answered the rest before in bug 734, but here we go again... > And one file which only has to be executed sounds a LITTLE bit different for > me like a installation and compilation orgy with a bunch of files out of the > CVS. That's a rather dramatic description for http://dri.sourceforge.net/snapshots.phtml . Lots of people are using these snapshots without any problems. > And by the way: thats not my first bug I report here and its not the first > time the only answer I get is that I have to use the latest CVS version. That > doesn't sonds for me like anybody of the developers is interested in its own > product. Would you be interested in bugs in one-year-old Virtual Universe code, if you had reason to believe that they're fixed in current (largely refactored) code? Resolving this bug as fixed in DRI CVS at least, probably XFree86 CVS as well. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.xfree86.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. |