From: <hzu...@ra...> - 2004-04-30 19:30:10
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On 04/30/2004 11:55:12 AM Bruce Smith wrote: >Someone point out to me privately that the lftp tarball in: >ftp://ftp.devil-linux.org/pub/devel/sources/tools/ >is older than the one we compile in our src directory. >And our docs reference that directory for needed tools: >http://www.devil-linux.org/newdoc/ch03s01.html#d0e1068 >I'd be nice if we could just link it so we don't need 2 copies. >Or change the docs to point to the latest lftp in our source >and get rid for the tools directory entirely. It doesn't really matter. The lftp in the tools directory is in the case your OS doesn't have it already. We could just update it from time to time or write in our docs the URL of the lfp homepage. >Also... >Checking the lftp homepage http://lftp.yar.ru/ the current version >(3.0.3) is newer than any of our versions (2.6.12). Is there any >reason we shouldn't move to version 3.x.x? > Somebody has to update & test it, that's all. You just volunteered. ;-) Heiko |
From: Bruce S. <bw...@ar...> - 2004-04-30 19:35:50
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> >Someone point out to me privately that the lftp tarball in: > >ftp://ftp.devil-linux.org/pub/devel/sources/tools/ > >is older than the one we compile in our src directory. > >And our docs reference that directory for needed tools: > >http://www.devil-linux.org/newdoc/ch03s01.html#d0e1068 > >I'd be nice if we could just link it so we don't need 2 copies. > >Or change the docs to point to the latest lftp in our source > >and get rid for the tools directory entirely. > > It doesn't really matter. The lftp in the tools directory is in the case > your OS doesn't have it already. > We could just update it from time to time or write in our docs the URL of > the lfp homepage. I think we should get rid of the tools directory and changes the docs to point to the LFTP home page. It'd be less confusing IMO. (and I'd get fewer complaints :) > >Also... > >Checking the lftp homepage http://lftp.yar.ru/ the current version > >(3.0.3) is newer than any of our versions (2.6.12). Is there any > >reason we shouldn't move to version 3.x.x? > > Somebody has to update & test it, that's all. > You just volunteered. ;-) Oops. :-) - BS |
From: Bruce S. <bw...@ar...> - 2004-05-03 18:42:26
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> > >Checking the lftp homepage http://lftp.yar.ru/ the current version > > >(3.0.3) is newer than any of our versions (2.6.12). Is there any > > >reason we shouldn't move to version 3.x.x? > > > > Somebody has to update & test it, that's all. > > You just volunteered. ;-) > > Oops. :-) Done. - BS |
From: Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...> - 2004-05-03 19:05:08
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Bruce Smith wrote on 30.04.2004 21:35 MET: >>>Someone point out to me privately that the lftp tarball in: >>>ftp://ftp.devil-linux.org/pub/devel/sources/tools/ >>>is older than the one we compile in our src directory. >>>And our docs reference that directory for needed tools: >>>http://www.devil-linux.org/newdoc/ch03s01.html#d0e1068 >>>I'd be nice if we could just link it so we don't need 2 copies. >>>Or change the docs to point to the latest lftp in our source >>>and get rid for the tools directory entirely. >> >>It doesn't really matter. The lftp in the tools directory is in the case >>your OS doesn't have it already. >>We could just update it from time to time or write in our docs the URL of >>the lfp homepage. > > > I think we should get rid of the tools directory and changes the docs to > point to the LFTP home page. It'd be less confusing IMO. (and I'd get > fewer complaints :) > > >>>Also... >>>Checking the lftp homepage http://lftp.yar.ru/ the current version >>>(3.0.3) is newer than any of our versions (2.6.12). Is there any >>>reason we shouldn't move to version 3.x.x? >> >>Somebody has to update & test it, that's all. >>You just volunteered. ;-) > > > Oops. :-) What if we installed lftp in the chroot? So we don't even need the lftp installed in the system. And btw the lftp build script could also always update the lftp of the chroot. -- MfG / Regards Friedrich Lobenstock ____________________________________________________________________ Friedrich Lobenstock Linux Services Lobenstock URL: http://www.lsl.at/ Email: fl...@fl... ____________________________________________________________________ |
From: Bruce S. <bw...@ar...> - 2004-05-03 19:17:16
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> What if we installed lftp in the chroot? Then the chroot would have a newer version? :-) > So we don't even need the lftp installed in the system. Isn't that a chicken/egg problem? You need lftp to run update_src (which requires lftp) to get lftp ... > And btw the lftp build script could also always > update the lftp of the chroot. I don't know why not. Of course, if the only reason we need lftp in the chroot is to run update_src, and it works now with the old version, maybe it'd be best to leave well enough alone in case a newer version breaks update_src someday (parameter changes or something)? - BS |
From: Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...> - 2004-05-03 19:46:15
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Bruce Smith wrote on 03.05.2004 21:17 MET: >>What if we installed lftp in the chroot? > > Then the chroot would have a newer version? :-) > > >>So we don't even need the lftp installed in the system. > > > Isn't that a chicken/egg problem? > > You need lftp to run update_src (which requires lftp) to get lftp ... If the lftp is already available in the chroot which you downloaded from our ftp-server you would just do the chroot and then run update_src. So no need for lftp to be installed in the system. After installing a new lfssystem I usually install lftp in there so I don't really need anything else than chroot and cvs and an editor from my base system. >>And btw the lftp build script could also always >>update the lftp of the chroot. > > I don't know why not. > > Of course, if the only reason we need lftp in the chroot is to run > update_src, and it works now with the old version, maybe it'd be best > to leave well enough alone in case a newer version breaks update_src > someday (parameter changes or something)? At least we should then update the lftp in the chroot with every new lfssystem. -- MfG / Regards Friedrich Lobenstock ____________________________________________________________________ Friedrich Lobenstock Linux Services Lobenstock URL: http://www.lsl.at/ Email: fl...@fl... ____________________________________________________________________ |
From: Bruce S. <bw...@ar...> - 2004-05-03 20:00:18
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> >>So we don't even need the lftp installed in the system. > > > > Isn't that a chicken/egg problem? > > > > You need lftp to run update_src (which requires lftp) to get lftp ... > > If the lftp is already available in the chroot which you downloaded from > our ftp-server you would just do the chroot and then run update_src. So no > need for lftp to be installed in the system. OK, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were talking about not needing lftp in the chroot (instead of the parent system). > After installing a new lfssystem I usually install lftp in there so I don't > really need anything else than chroot and cvs and an editor from my base > system. Is lftp included in the lfssystem tarball? (I never looked) > >>And btw the lftp build script could also always > >>update the lftp of the chroot. > > > > I don't know why not. > > > > Of course, if the only reason we need lftp in the chroot is to run > > update_src, and it works now with the old version, maybe it'd be best > > to leave well enough alone in case a newer version breaks update_src > > someday (parameter changes or something)? > > At least we should then update the lftp in the chroot with every new lfssystem. OK with me. If we include lftp in the lfssystem (if it's not already), then the docs should be modified telling people how to make the chroot env network (creating /etc/resolv.conf and ... anything else?). - BS |
From: Friedrich L. <fl...@fl...> - 2004-05-03 21:04:15
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Bruce Smith wrote on 03.05.2004 21:59 MET: >>After installing a new lfssystem I usually install lftp in there so I don't >>really need anything else than chroot and cvs and an editor from my base >>system. > > > Is lftp included in the lfssystem tarball? (I never looked) I guess not. But my memory might be just bad ;-) >>>Of course, if the only reason we need lftp in the chroot is to run >>>update_src, and it works now with the old version, maybe it'd be best >>>to leave well enough alone in case a newer version breaks update_src >>>someday (parameter changes or something)? >> >>At least we should then update the lftp in the chroot with every new lfssystem. > > OK with me. > > If we include lftp in the lfssystem (if it's not already), then the docs > should be modified telling people how to make the chroot env network > (creating /etc/resolv.conf and ... anything else?). Copying /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts to the chroot should probably do. -- MfG / Regards Friedrich Lobenstock ____________________________________________________________________ Friedrich Lobenstock Linux Services Lobenstock URL: http://www.lsl.at/ Email: fl...@fl... ____________________________________________________________________ |
From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2004-05-04 00:26:33
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Bruce Smith wrote: >>>>So we don't even need the lftp installed in the system. >>> >>>Isn't that a chicken/egg problem? >>> >>>You need lftp to run update_src (which requires lftp) to get lftp ... >> >>If the lftp is already available in the chroot which you downloaded from >>our ftp-server you would just do the chroot and then run update_src. So no >>need for lftp to be installed in the system. > > > OK, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were talking about > not needing lftp in the chroot (instead of the parent system). > > >>After installing a new lfssystem I usually install lftp in there so I don't >>really need anything else than chroot and cvs and an editor from my base >>system. > > > Is lftp included in the lfssystem tarball? (I never looked) Nope. >>>>And btw the lftp build script could also always >>>>update the lftp of the chroot. >>> >>>I don't know why not. >>> >>>Of course, if the only reason we need lftp in the chroot is to run >>>update_src, and it works now with the old version, maybe it'd be best >>>to leave well enough alone in case a newer version breaks update_src >>>someday (parameter changes or something)? >> >>At least we should then update the lftp in the chroot with every new lfssystem. > > > OK with me. > > If we include lftp in the lfssystem (if it's not already), then the docs > should be modified telling people how to make the chroot env network > (creating /etc/resolv.conf and ... anything else?). Just update the docs. ;-) Heiko |
From: Bruce S. <bw...@ar...> - 2004-05-04 00:34:50
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> > If we include lftp in the lfssystem (if it's not already), then the docs > > should be modified telling people how to make the chroot env network > > (creating /etc/resolv.conf and ... anything else?). > > Just update the docs. ;-) I should download the software and learn how to do that sometime. But since lftp isn't included in the lfssystem, there is no need, and I can procrastinate a little while longer ... ;-> - BS |
From: Heiko Z. <he...@zu...> - 2004-05-04 01:16:01
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Bruce Smith wrote: >>>If we include lftp in the lfssystem (if it's not already), then the docs >>>should be modified telling people how to make the chroot env network >>>(creating /etc/resolv.conf and ... anything else?). >> >>Just update the docs. ;-) > > > I should download the software and learn how to do that sometime. > > But since lftp isn't included in the lfssystem, there is no need, > and I can procrastinate a little while longer ... ;-> Sometimes I would wish I could say: lazy ass but that wouldn't be nice... ;-) Heiko |