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I have a first step (Pull request #333) that cleans up some of the compiler warnings and gets rid of a nasty “off by 1” bug that caused arrays to be 1 byte two small in some cases for 64 bit encoding.  Fixed problem with Finder Info updating as a resource.  Changed a deprecated call to OpenSSL 1.1.1.

I will look at the apps issue.  I seem the change in pull request #331 but there are also 2 or 3 other instances where that same change may need to be made.  I need to look at those calls and see if the same patch needs to be installed there.  The problem is that the resource fork has to be created before being written to.  This is trivial change from the HFS+ structure where the resource fork was always there for every file (but may be empty).
-Scott


> On Dec 29, 2019, at 1:59 AM, James Reynolds <mag...@me...> wrote:
> 
> I’ve merged the pull requests.  I didn’t merge the #331 because you said you had apfs support also.  Eagerly awaiting to hear what you say about it.  Let me know if anyone else needs anything.
> 
> A little bit of good news is that I successfully built Radmind on macOS 10.14, CentOS 7, Ubuntu 18.04, and FreeBSD 11.  I updated the Readme with what I needed to do for those platforms.  I’ve started a Vagrant setup so I can hopefully quickly test everything and not wait a half a year to do merge the pull requests.  I might actually start using Radmind on the non-macOS platforms, I’ve sure wanted it on them.
> 
> I’m resisting the urge to get it running on Raspian… Must go to bed.
> 
> James
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Scott Hannahs via Radmind-devel <rad...@li...> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks I have a bunch of code tweaks and fixes that I would like to upload to github.  These include long file names, apple resource forks on apfs, etc.  However there seem to be a bunch of pull requests out there that were never incorporated into the current code base?
>> 
>> The big show stopper is the reversion of the opaque structures for openSSL1.1 which are enforced in the current release of openSSL.  These were referenced correctly, but a latter pull (by magnusviri) reverted back to the non-opaque structure references which now will not compile.  What is the status?
>> 
>> Are these lists active?
>> 
>> -Scott
>> 
>> 
>> 
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I reverted because it broke on some platform. I’ll redo them and add your pull requests because I know the apfs support is highly desired.

James

> On Dec 28, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Scott Hannahs via Radmind-devel <rad...@li...> wrote:
> 
> Folks I have a bunch of code tweaks and fixes that I would like to upload to github.  These include long file names, apple resource forks on apfs, etc.  However there seem to be a bunch of pull requests out there that were never incorporated into the current code base?
> 
> The big show stopper is the reversion of the opaque structures for openSSL1.1 which are enforced in the current release of openSSL.  These were referenced correctly, but a latter pull (by magnusviri) reverted back to the non-opaque structure references which now will not compile.  What is the status?
> 
> Are these lists active?
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Scott Hannahs, Director of Scientific Instrumentation and Operations
> Distinguished University Scholar
> National High Magnetic Field Laboratory, Florida State University
> http://sthmac.magnet.fsu.edu
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Folks I have a bunch of code tweaks and fixes that I would like to upload to github.  These include long file names, apple resource forks on apfs, etc.  However there seem to be a bunch of pull requests out there that were never incorporated into the current code base?

The big show stopper is the reversion of the opaque structures for openSSL1.1 which are enforced in the current release of openSSL.  These were referenced correctly, but a latter pull (by magnusviri) reverted back to the non-opaque structure references which now will not compile.  What is the status?

Are these lists active?

-Scott



Dr. Scott Hannahs, Director of Scientific Instrumentation and Operations
Distinguished University Scholar
National High Magnetic Field Laboratory, Florida State University
http://sthmac.magnet.fsu.edu
1800 E. Paul Dirac Dr., Tallahassee FL 32310, (850)644-0216/FAX 644-0534

All good questions.  There used to be part of Makefile that would create an Mac OS package for the installer with the tools and everything, but that is no longer working for the pkgmaker.  To be honest, I manually ran lipo to create very fat executables the last time I created some universal tools.

Libsnet seems to be a non-maintained repository.

-Scott


> On May 10, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Hauke Fath <hf...@sp...> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> the source repository does not come with a configure script, which is supposedly to be generated for a release. What is the canonical incantation for this, a plain 'autoconf', or something more involved?
> 
> Radmind uses libsnet from <https://sourceforge.net/projects/libsnet/>. The Radmind git repository has a funny "libsnet@59d26ac" submodule reference, which most likely is dangling. Shouldn't we have a repo for this under <https://github.com/Radmind/>? And what is the proper procedure to integrate libsnet into a Radmind release build?
> 
> Cheerio,
> Hauke
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On 2019-05-10 14:55, Hauke Fath wrote:
> the source repository does not come with a configure script, which is 
> supposedly to be generated for a release. What is the canonical 
> incantation for this, a plain 'autoconf', or something more involved?

Answering my own question for the sake of the peanut gallery (aka 
Google), a plain 'autoconf' appears to do the job.

> Radmind uses libsnet from <https://sourceforge.net/projects/libsnet/>. 
> The Radmind git repository has a funny "libsnet@59d26ac" submodule 
> reference, which most likely is dangling.

No, it is not. /.gitmodules has the module definition and the upstream 
URL (still using SF). As the README explains, a 'git submodule init ; 
git submodule update' will populate /libsnet/ in a way that works fine 
with git operations in the top level dir.

> Shouldn't we have a repo for 
> this under <https://github.com/Radmind/>?

I still think we should.

> And what is the proper 
> procedure to integrate libsnet into a Radmind release build?

We wonders, aye, we wonders.

Thanks for listening,
Hauke

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All,

the source repository does not come with a configure script, which is 
supposedly to be generated for a release. What is the canonical 
incantation for this, a plain 'autoconf', or something more involved?

Radmind uses libsnet from <https://sourceforge.net/projects/libsnet/>. 
The Radmind git repository has a funny "libsnet@59d26ac" submodule 
reference, which most likely is dangling. Shouldn't we have a repo for 
this under <https://github.com/Radmind/>? And what is the proper 
procedure to integrate libsnet into a Radmind release build?

Cheerio,
Hauke

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On Thu, 9 May 2019 11:56:00 +0200, Hauke Fath wrote:
> And I don't really like radmind-devel being spammed with git commit 
> messages

Ignore that, the blame is on my local filtering setup.

> - those should go to their own list (radmind-commit@), 
> preferably with a Reply-To: radmind-devel@ header.

This still is a good idea.

How are these github commit mails set up? The headers don't really give 
away much. Is this a manually managed list at github, or a proper list 
manager?

Cheerio,
Hauke

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On 2019-01-17 19:21, James Reynolds wrote:
> [...] I've also asked Patrick McNeal, who still has login to the
> sourceforge radmind page, to merge the radmind email lists.
Doesn't look like anything has come of it, yet? And I am not even sure 
it is a good idea.

If there is any communication over development, that should be separate 
from users' communication. And I don't really like radmind-devel being 
spammed with git commit messages - those should go to their own list 
(radmind-commit@), preferably with a Reply-To: radmind-devel@ header.

Cheerio,
Hauke

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I'm working on radmind again today.  I've merged he pending pull requests on GitHub.  I've looked at some of the issues and for me to maintain this project as anything other that a merge approver, I will need some test environments so I can make sure the project compiles and runs.  I have experience with Linux and BSD's but it's pretty limited.  I am hoping that someone on this list knows some way to automate building and testing the project.  I believe continuous integration is one way to do this.  Or another is to use something like HashiCorp's Vagrant.  I don't know anything about these technologies except that they exist and I don't have time to learn them.

Does anyone on the list have knowledge how to automatically create a build and test environment for at least several flavors of Linux, BSD, and Mac?  Can you share your knowledge or even some of your time to help me build this?

BTW: I've also asked Patrick McNeal, who still has login to the sourceforge radmind page, to merge the radmind email lists.

James

Bob,
Did you ever find out who is the contact?

James

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Bob Harold <rha...@um...> wrote:
> 
> UMich still holds radmind.org, I am asking around for who is the contact.
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> 
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Johnson, Tom <pal...@pu...> wrote:
>         All those changes seem reasonable to me.  
>         As to radmind.org - not sure if that registration is held by UMICH , or by one of the Radmind developers that use to work at UMICH .  I would assume one of those two options - but not my field of expertise to figure out who.  
> 
> 
> Tom "Macintosh Doctor" Johnson
> pal...@pu...
> 
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2018, at 15:56 , James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> > 
> > Ok, unless I get more feedback I'm planning on moving ahead and doing these things.
> > 
> > - Removing code from SourceForge.
> > - Combining users and announce (assuming it's possible)
> > - Combining devel and commit (assuming it's possible)
> > - Asking for radmind.org to redirect to the github page.
> > - I'll be updating the readme as I figure things out.
> > 
> > James
> > 
> >> On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jim Kirkum <ji...@bg...> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi James,
> >> 
> >> - Probably just use github for the code, since it seems cleaner, but I will defer to any coders for what they prefer to use.
> >> - No preference on the mailing list host, but might be worth keeping as is, since I imagine not too many people currently subscribed will jump ship if switched.
> >> - 1 or 2 lists would be fine with me, given the low traffic.
> >> 
> >> Thank you for your efforts!
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> On 6/26/18, 5:04 PM, "James Reynolds" <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> >> 
> >>   I don't believe anyone is really in charge of radmind any more.  I don't want to see it go completely abandoned, so I'm want to clean up the radmind stuff a little bit.  Richard Glaser just gave me access to the Github project page.  I've contacted Patrick McNeal and he still has access to the SourceForge project page.  I don't want to just take over and start making changes so I thought I'd email the lists and get some ideas about what I want to do.  The problems I see are as follows.
> >> 
> >>   * Different downloads on 3 websites: radmind.org, github.com, sourceforge.net.  I don't know if we can get access to radmind.org.  Someone must still be paying the bill to keep the domain though.  I think we should pick one and remove the other download links.  SourceForge for mail lists.  Github for source code, and if we can change radmind.org, maybe just redirect the whole thing to github.com.
> >> 
> >>   * The radmind 1.14.1 source downloads on Github and sourceforge are different.  Github is probably newer and includes changes since 1.14.1 was released.
> >> 
> >>   * The README instructions on github do not work (I've already submitted a pull request to update it for macOS 10.12).
> >> 
> >>   * 4 mail lists: users, devel, announce, and commit.  Until this week devel hasn't been used for 2 years, commit for 4 years, and announce for 10 years.  I think we should combine them into 2 lists, users and devel, or maybe even 1 list.  As Hauke Fath said, the commit messages have to go somewhere.
> >> 
> >>   I'm not a developer but have a few developer skills.  I'm learning github a little bit more and am willing to try to work on this stuff.  I have other pipe dreams but I think if people can just comment on what they would like to see done about the above issues and if there are other things they want addressed, then I'll see if I can get them fixed.
> >> 
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Jennifer,
You might be able to recompile it yourself if you want to give it a try.  I'd do it but I haven't even done the things I said I'd do to clean up the website.  I still plan to do those things but because radmind isn't a critical part of my workflow anymore for me it's hard to justify taking time away from other things.  Download Xcode, download the Assistant source code, and there should be a project file that you open.  Xcode will probably want to do all kinds of updates and just go along with them.  Build the project and send us the errors and we'll see if we can figure out what is wrong.

Or you could set aside a computer that is running 10.12 or earlier to use the Assistant on.  Or use an older OS virtual machine (with the free Virtual Box if you don't want to buy VMware Fusion).

James

> On Jul 20, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Nieland, Jennifer L [DSN] <nie...@ia...> wrote:
> 
> Can I make a plea for someone, anyone, to update the Assistant, or at least recompile it for 10.13? The current version is 32-bit, which obviously doesn’t work in 10.13.x. The process for the command line is incredibly time consuming from a trouble-shooting perspective. I’m dying here…
> 
> Jennifer Nieland
> Lab Manager - College of Design Computer Labs
> Canvas College Coordinator - Design
> University CAC Representative from Design
> Iowa State University
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> 294-7332
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:54 PM, James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
>> 
>> As I said, I'm not really a developer so I don't even know what you mean by tags.  I looked around and I don't see anything named tags.  Do you mean versions?
>> 
>> I've compared both Sourceforge and Github (with BBEdit) and there are quite a few changes.  I believe the Github changes came after Sourceforge.
>> 
>> I'm fine leaving the files on Sourceforge, I just want to make it clear that changes aren't going to take place on Sourceforge but are taking place on Github and to redirect people there.
>> 
>> My pipe dreams are to make apt-get, yum, and brew installers for Radmind, but I'm pretty sure I will never do that.  I don't how to do it and I don't use radmind enough to justify it.  But that's what I'm hoping we can do with radmind.  I plan on still using radmind as a general purpose scanner, even if I never run a radmind server again.  For that alone I want to at least keep it buildable (which is what prompted me to start emailing because I couldn't get it to build on Mac and I think I tried on Linux and failed as well).
>> 
>> James
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Brian Awood <ba...@um...> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My main concern with removing the source from Sourceforge at this point is the github version is missing all of the tags. Just from a quick look at both, it seems like the Github master branch is only ahead by your two commits to the README.md.  That could probably be verified by setting up a local clone with remote tracking branches of both Github and Sourceforge.  Thanks
>>> -Brian
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:56 PM James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
>>> Ok, unless I get more feedback I'm planning on moving ahead and doing these things.
>>> 
>>> - Removing code from SourceForge. 
>>> - Combining users and announce (assuming it's possible)
>>> - Combining devel and commit (assuming it's possible)
>>> - Asking for radmind.org to redirect to the github page.
>>> - I'll be updating the readme as I figure things out.
>>> 
>>> James
> 

Pierce worked for Richard Glaser at the University of Utah Marriott Library years ago but has moved on.  He migrated the SF repository to github.  I'd prefer to use github because it is just cleaner in my opinion.  Anyway, I think the debate now is github or gitlab.  LOL.

James

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Scott Hannahs <st...@ma...> wrote:
> 
> James,
> 
> Fair enough!  https://github.com/Radmind/radmind is the one true Radmind, the one to rule them all.
> 
> Do you want to move that code back to SF and maintain it there?  I am neutral in the SF vs. GitHub debate.
> 
> For that matter I don’t know who Pierce Darragh is either who was contributing to that repository in 2014.
> 
> -sth
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 5:30 PM, James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://github.com/rsc-at-umich/radmind-1.15
>>> https://github.com/brando9182/radmind
>>> https://github.com/seansweda/radmind
>>> https://github.com/abic/radmind
>>> https://github.com/Radmind/radmind
>> 
>> I was referring to the last one.  I don't know who these people are: brando9182, Jeffrey Peckham, Sean Sweda, Richard Conto.  It appears Sean and Richard worked at UMich.  I guess this is why I would like to do something on sf so that people quit forking that one instead of https://github.com/Radmind/radmind.
>> 
>> James
> 

James,

Fair enough!  https://github.com/Radmind/radmind is the one true Radmind, the one to rule them all.

Do you want to move that code back to SF and maintain it there?  I am neutral in the SF vs. GitHub debate.

For that matter I don’t know who Pierce Darragh is either who was contributing to that repository in 2014.

-sth

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 5:30 PM, James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> 
>> https://github.com/rsc-at-umich/radmind-1.15
>> https://github.com/brando9182/radmind
>> https://github.com/seansweda/radmind
>> https://github.com/abic/radmind
>> https://github.com/Radmind/radmind
> 
> I was referring to the last one.  I don't know who these people are: brando9182, Jeffrey Peckham, Sean Sweda, Richard Conto.  It appears Sean and Richard worked at UMich.  I guess this is why I would like to do something on sf so that people quit forking that one instead of https://github.com/Radmind/radmind.
> 
> James

> https://github.com/rsc-at-umich/radmind-1.15
> https://github.com/brando9182/radmind
> https://github.com/seansweda/radmind
> https://github.com/abic/radmind
> https://github.com/Radmind/radmind

I was referring to the last one.  I don't know who these people are: brando9182, Jeffrey Peckham, Sean Sweda, Richard Conto.  It appears Sean and Richard worked at UMich.  I guess this is why I would like to do something on sf so that people quit forking that one instead of https://github.com/Radmind/radmind.

James

As I said, I'm not really a developer so I don't even know what you mean by tags.  I looked around and I don't see anything named tags.  Do you mean versions?

I've compared both Sourceforge and Github (with BBEdit) and there are quite a few changes.  I believe the Github changes came after Sourceforge.

I'm fine leaving the files on Sourceforge, I just want to make it clear that changes aren't going to take place on Sourceforge but are taking place on Github and to redirect people there.

My pipe dreams are to make apt-get, yum, and brew installers for Radmind, but I'm pretty sure I will never do that.  I don't how to do it and I don't use radmind enough to justify it.  But that's what I'm hoping we can do with radmind.  I plan on still using radmind as a general purpose scanner, even if I never run a radmind server again.  For that alone I want to at least keep it buildable (which is what prompted me to start emailing because I couldn't get it to build on Mac and I think I tried on Linux and failed as well).

James

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Brian Awood <ba...@um...> wrote:
> 
> My main concern with removing the source from Sourceforge at this point is the github version is missing all of the tags. Just from a quick look at both, it seems like the Github master branch is only ahead by your two commits to the README.md.  That could probably be verified by setting up a local clone with remote tracking branches of both Github and Sourceforge.  Thanks
> -Brian
> 
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:56 PM James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> Ok, unless I get more feedback I'm planning on moving ahead and doing these things.
> 
> - Removing code from SourceForge. 
> - Combining users and announce (assuming it's possible)
> - Combining devel and commit (assuming it's possible)
> - Asking for radmind.org to redirect to the github page.
> - I'll be updating the readme as I figure things out.
> 
> James
> 
> > On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jim Kirkum <ji...@bg...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > - Probably just use github for the code, since it seems cleaner, but I will defer to any coders for what they prefer to use.
> > - No preference on the mailing list host, but might be worth keeping as is, since I imagine not too many people currently subscribed will jump ship if switched.
> > - 1 or 2 lists would be fine with me, given the low traffic.
> > 
> > Thank you for your efforts!
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > On 6/26/18, 5:04 PM, "James Reynolds" <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> > 
> >    I don't believe anyone is really in charge of radmind any more.  I don't want to see it go completely abandoned, so I'm want to clean up the radmind stuff a little bit.  Richard Glaser just gave me access to the Github project page.  I've contacted Patrick McNeal and he still has access to the SourceForge project page.  I don't want to just take over and start making changes so I thought I'd email the lists and get some ideas about what I want to do.  The problems I see are as follows.
> > 
> >    * Different downloads on 3 websites: radmind.org, github.com, sourceforge.net.  I don't know if we can get access to radmind.org.  Someone must still be paying the bill to keep the domain though.  I think we should pick one and remove the other download links.  SourceForge for mail lists.  Github for source code, and if we can change radmind.org, maybe just redirect the whole thing to github.com.
> > 
> >    * The radmind 1.14.1 source downloads on Github and sourceforge are different.  Github is probably newer and includes changes since 1.14.1 was released.
> > 
> >    * The README instructions on github do not work (I've already submitted a pull request to update it for macOS 10.12).
> > 
> >    * 4 mail lists: users, devel, announce, and commit.  Until this week devel hasn't been used for 2 years, commit for 4 years, and announce for 10 years.  I think we should combine them into 2 lists, users and devel, or maybe even 1 list.  As Hauke Fath said, the commit messages have to go somewhere.
> > 
> >    I'm not a developer but have a few developer skills.  I'm learning github a little bit more and am willing to try to work on this stuff.  I have other pipe dreams but I think if people can just comment on what they would like to see done about the above issues and if there are other things they want addressed, then I'll see if I can get them fixed.
> > 
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Ok, I am all for that.  I think I posted awhile ago about several different repositories.  I agree that no one is in charge and it is open to whomever wants to grab the power! :-)  Go James!  I have access to the SourceForge site as well but did not take charge of it.

AFAIK, the radmind.org belongs to U. Mich.  The whois data is mostly hidden, but the organization and the name servers seem to be U. Mich.  I would guess that the IT group there would want to stop paying for the domain.

Registrant Organization: University of Michigan
Registrant State/Province: MI
Registrant Country: US
Name Server: DNS2.ITD.UMICH.EDU
Name Server: DNS1.ITD.UMICH.EDU

I think GitHub has several versions as well, I think you are referring to the last one?  The first one may also be a useful resource with some fixes?
https://github.com/rsc-at-umich/radmind-1.15
https://github.com/brando9182/radmind
https://github.com/seansweda/radmind
https://github.com/abic/radmind
https://github.com/Radmind/radmind

I think I have a version that I unilaterally declared to be 1.15.1 to fix the long file name bug, fix the bug in groups and users for special files and implement the -t option that was some contributed code that was never merged.  Last winter break I modified the libsnet code to handle the changes to OpenSSL 1.10 as installed by fink so I could build the files on Mac OS 10.12.

I needed to merge this with older code on Mac OS 10.5 for backwards compatibility and for the old package manager to build the installation package for a universal binary but got stuck making the new OpenSSL run under the older OS.

I agree that just 2 lists should be sufficient.  Announcements go to the user list since it is low traffic.

I also am not a developer by profession but have some skills.  I also have some wishes for where Radmind goes in the future!

-Scott

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> On Jun 26, 2018, at 5:04 PM, James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> 
> I don't believe anyone is really in charge of radmind any more.  I don't want to see it go completely abandoned, so I'm want to clean up the radmind stuff a little bit.  Richard Glaser just gave me access to the Github project page.  I've contacted Patrick McNeal and he still has access to the SourceForge project page.  I don't want to just take over and start making changes so I thought I'd email the lists and get some ideas about what I want to do.  The problems I see are as follows.
> 
> * Different downloads on 3 websites: radmind.org, github.com, sourceforge.net.  I don't know if we can get access to radmind.org.  Someone must still be paying the bill to keep the domain though.  I think we should pick one and remove the other download links.  SourceForge for mail lists.  Github for source code, and if we can change radmind.org, maybe just redirect the whole thing to github.com.
> 
> * The radmind 1.14.1 source downloads on Github and sourceforge are different.  Github is probably newer and includes changes since 1.14.1 was released.
> 
> * The README instructions on github do not work (I've already submitted a pull request to update it for macOS 10.12).
> 
> * 4 mail lists: users, devel, announce, and commit.  Until this week devel hasn't been used for 2 years, commit for 4 years, and announce for 10 years.  I think we should combine them into 2 lists, users and devel, or maybe even 1 list.  As Hauke Fath said, the commit messages have to go somewhere.
> 
> I'm not a developer but have a few developer skills.  I'm learning github a little bit more and am willing to try to work on this stuff.  I have other pipe dreams but I think if people can just comment on what they would like to see done about the above issues and if there are other things they want addressed, then I'll see if I can get them fixed.
> 
> James
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My main concern with removing the source from Sourceforge at this point is
the github version is missing all of the tags. Just from a quick look at
both, it seems like the Github master branch is only ahead by your two
commits to the README.md.  That could probably be verified by setting up a
local clone with remote tracking branches of both Github and Sourceforge.
Thanks
-Brian

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 3:56 PM James Reynolds <rey...@bi...>
wrote:

> Ok, unless I get more feedback I'm planning on moving ahead and doing
> these things.
>
> - Removing code from SourceForge.

- Combining users and announce (assuming it's possible)
> - Combining devel and commit (assuming it's possible)
> - Asking for radmind.org to redirect to the github page.
> - I'll be updating the readme as I figure things out.
>
> James
>
> > On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jim Kirkum <ji...@bg...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi James,
> >
> > - Probably just use github for the code, since it seems cleaner, but I
> will defer to any coders for what they prefer to use.
> > - No preference on the mailing list host, but might be worth keeping as
> is, since I imagine not too many people currently subscribed will jump ship
> if switched.
> > - 1 or 2 lists would be fine with me, given the low traffic.
> >
> > Thank you for your efforts!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On 6/26/18, 5:04 PM, "James Reynolds" <rey...@bi...>
> wrote:
> >
> >    I don't believe anyone is really in charge of radmind any more.  I
> don't want to see it go completely abandoned, so I'm want to clean up the
> radmind stuff a little bit.  Richard Glaser just gave me access to the
> Github project page.  I've contacted Patrick McNeal and he still has access
> to the SourceForge project page.  I don't want to just take over and start
> making changes so I thought I'd email the lists and get some ideas about
> what I want to do.  The problems I see are as follows.
> >
> >    * Different downloads on 3 websites: radmind.org, github.com,
> sourceforge.net.  I don't know if we can get access to radmind.org.
> Someone must still be paying the bill to keep the domain though.  I think
> we should pick one and remove the other download links.  SourceForge for
> mail lists.  Github for source code, and if we can change radmind.org,
> maybe just redirect the whole thing to github.com.
> >
> >    * The radmind 1.14.1 source downloads on Github and sourceforge are
> different.  Github is probably newer and includes changes since 1.14.1 was
> released.
> >
> >    * The README instructions on github do not work (I've already
> submitted a pull request to update it for macOS 10.12).
> >
> >    * 4 mail lists: users, devel, announce, and commit.  Until this week
> devel hasn't been used for 2 years, commit for 4 years, and announce for 10
> years.  I think we should combine them into 2 lists, users and devel, or
> maybe even 1 list.  As Hauke Fath said, the commit messages have to go
> somewhere.
> >
> >    I'm not a developer but have a few developer skills.  I'm learning
> github a little bit more and am willing to try to work on this stuff.  I
> have other pipe dreams but I think if people can just comment on what they
> would like to see done about the above issues and if there are other things
> they want addressed, then I'll see if I can get them fixed.
> >
> >    James
> >
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> >
> >
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Ok, unless I get more feedback I'm planning on moving ahead and doing these things.

- Removing code from SourceForge.
- Combining users and announce (assuming it's possible)
- Combining devel and commit (assuming it's possible)
- Asking for radmind.org to redirect to the github page.
- I'll be updating the readme as I figure things out.

James

> On Jun 26, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jim Kirkum <ji...@bg...> wrote:
> 
> Hi James,
> 
> - Probably just use github for the code, since it seems cleaner, but I will defer to any coders for what they prefer to use.
> - No preference on the mailing list host, but might be worth keeping as is, since I imagine not too many people currently subscribed will jump ship if switched.
> - 1 or 2 lists would be fine with me, given the low traffic.
> 
> Thank you for your efforts!
> 
> Jim
> 
> On 6/26/18, 5:04 PM, "James Reynolds" <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> 
>    I don't believe anyone is really in charge of radmind any more.  I don't want to see it go completely abandoned, so I'm want to clean up the radmind stuff a little bit.  Richard Glaser just gave me access to the Github project page.  I've contacted Patrick McNeal and he still has access to the SourceForge project page.  I don't want to just take over and start making changes so I thought I'd email the lists and get some ideas about what I want to do.  The problems I see are as follows.
> 
>    * Different downloads on 3 websites: radmind.org, github.com, sourceforge.net.  I don't know if we can get access to radmind.org.  Someone must still be paying the bill to keep the domain though.  I think we should pick one and remove the other download links.  SourceForge for mail lists.  Github for source code, and if we can change radmind.org, maybe just redirect the whole thing to github.com.
> 
>    * The radmind 1.14.1 source downloads on Github and sourceforge are different.  Github is probably newer and includes changes since 1.14.1 was released.
> 
>    * The README instructions on github do not work (I've already submitted a pull request to update it for macOS 10.12).
> 
>    * 4 mail lists: users, devel, announce, and commit.  Until this week devel hasn't been used for 2 years, commit for 4 years, and announce for 10 years.  I think we should combine them into 2 lists, users and devel, or maybe even 1 list.  As Hauke Fath said, the commit messages have to go somewhere.
> 
>    I'm not a developer but have a few developer skills.  I'm learning github a little bit more and am willing to try to work on this stuff.  I have other pipe dreams but I think if people can just comment on what they would like to see done about the above issues and if there are other things they want addressed, then I'll see if I can get them fixed.
> 
>    James
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>    https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/radmind-users
> 
> 
> 

I don't believe anyone is really in charge of radmind any more.  I don't want to see it go completely abandoned, so I'm want to clean up the radmind stuff a little bit.  Richard Glaser just gave me access to the Github project page.  I've contacted Patrick McNeal and he still has access to the SourceForge project page.  I don't want to just take over and start making changes so I thought I'd email the lists and get some ideas about what I want to do.  The problems I see are as follows.

* Different downloads on 3 websites: radmind.org, github.com, sourceforge.net.  I don't know if we can get access to radmind.org.  Someone must still be paying the bill to keep the domain though.  I think we should pick one and remove the other download links.  SourceForge for mail lists.  Github for source code, and if we can change radmind.org, maybe just redirect the whole thing to github.com.

* The radmind 1.14.1 source downloads on Github and sourceforge are different.  Github is probably newer and includes changes since 1.14.1 was released.

* The README instructions on github do not work (I've already submitted a pull request to update it for macOS 10.12).

* 4 mail lists: users, devel, announce, and commit.  Until this week devel hasn't been used for 2 years, commit for 4 years, and announce for 10 years.  I think we should combine them into 2 lists, users and devel, or maybe even 1 list.  As Hauke Fath said, the commit messages have to go somewhere.

I'm not a developer but have a few developer skills.  I'm learning github a little bit more and am willing to try to work on this stuff.  I have other pipe dreams but I think if people can just comment on what they would like to see done about the above issues and if there are other things they want addressed, then I'll see if I can get them fixed.

James

I am still here.  And still compiling.  I use Fink to download OpenSSL and link to that.  I prefer Fink over Homebrew but YMMV.  I actually updated the code to use the newer version of OpenSSL (version 1.1 rather than 1.0) which had some updates and security fixes.

I have not pushed it to git.

-Scott



> On Jun 25, 2018, at 6:15 PM, James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to compile Radmind 1.14.1 and am running into issues.  First of all, the files on github.com are missing the configure script.  Second, the files on sourceforge include configure, but I'm using macOS 10.12 and it's missing openssl/ssl.h.  I'm just curious if anyone is on this list and if anyone has configured radmind lately and how they are doing it.
> 
> I'll be trying to get this to configure on Linux eventually as well.
> 
> James
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:54:42 +0000, James Reynolds wrote:
> Are you also on the user list?  If there aren't many people on the 
> devel list maybe we should shut it down.  It doesn't really make 
> sense to have multiple lists if nobody is using them.  I know this 
> list was created years ago when development was fairly active.

Well, this list is where git commit messages appear to end up, so 
better keep it alive.  ;)

Cheerio,
hauke

(reading the list, but I didn't expect any news, so didn't check the 
mailbox)

-- 
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There haven't been any emails to the radmind-devel list in 2 years.  It's been 8 years since anything has been posted to radmind-announce, and it's been 4 years since radmind-commit has been used.

Maybe we could just combine the 4 into 2 lists.

James


> On Jun 26, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Hauke Fath <hf...@sp...> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 18:54:42 +0000, James Reynolds wrote:
>> Are you also on the user list?  If there aren't many people on the 
>> devel list maybe we should shut it down.  It doesn't really make 
>> sense to have multiple lists if nobody is using them.  I know this 
>> list was created years ago when development was fairly active.
> 
> Well, this list is where git commit messages appear to end up, so 
> better keep it alive.  ;)
> 
> Cheerio,
> hauke
> 
> (reading the list, but I didn't expect any news, so didn't check the 
> mailbox)
> 
> -- 
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Hi James,
Apparently I still am! I had forgotten since it hasn't had much activity in
the last couple of years.  I think you'll need to use autoconf to generate
the configure script for the source on github. typically you'll find the
source repositories don't include that file when autoconf is used because
the file is automatically generated.

Some other notes with respect to newer versions of OS X, Apple no longer
includes OpenSSL, so you'll probably need to install it and autoconf via
something like homebrew. You may also need the command line utilities that
go along with Xcode, but I'm not certain of that.   Hope that helps!
-Brian

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:28 PM James Reynolds <rey...@bi...>
wrote:

> I'm trying to compile Radmind 1.14.1 and am running into issues.  First of
> all, the files on github.com are missing the configure script.  Second,
> the files on sourceforge include configure, but I'm using macOS 10.12 and
> it's missing openssl/ssl.h.  I'm just curious if anyone is on this list and
> if anyone has configured radmind lately and how they are doing it.
>
> I'll be trying to get this to configure on Linux eventually as well.
>
> James
>
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Are you also on the user list?  If there aren't many people on the devel list maybe we should shut it down.  It doesn't really make sense to have multiple lists if nobody is using them.  I know this list was created years ago when development was fairly active.

It doesn't look like macOS has autoconf either.  I was able to install it with `brew install autoconf`.

I'm trying to update the README so that it actually works.

James


> On Jun 26, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Brian Awood <ba...@um...> wrote:
> 
> Hi James,
> Apparently I still am! I had forgotten since it hasn't had much activity in the last couple of years.  I think you'll need to use autoconf to generate the configure script for the source on github. typically you'll find the source repositories don't include that file when autoconf is used because the file is automatically generated. 
> 
> Some other notes with respect to newer versions of OS X, Apple no longer includes OpenSSL, so you'll probably need to install it and autoconf via something like homebrew. You may also need the command line utilities that go along with Xcode, but I'm not certain of that.   Hope that helps!   
> -Brian
> 
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 6:28 PM James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> I'm trying to compile Radmind 1.14.1 and am running into issues.  First of all, the files on github.com are missing the configure script.  Second, the files on sourceforge include configure, but I'm using macOS 10.12 and it's missing openssl/ssl.h.  I'm just curious if anyone is on this list and if anyone has configured radmind lately and how they are doing it.
> 
> I'll be trying to get this to configure on Linux eventually as well.
> 
> James
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I am!

> On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:07 PM, James Reynolds <rey...@bi...> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone on this list?
> 
> James
> 
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