Activity for Robert STeiner
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Robert STeiner posted a comment on discussion Open Discussion
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1.9.13-pre09 is not starting up properly on two machines
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Well... great :) Nice and simple :)
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Cannot unfold next level when filtering
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Next problem. After deleting all 4 nodes, I tried to recreate the last three nodes. They are just clones. After recreating them, the problems again occurs.
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Next problem. After deleting all 4 nodes, I tried to recreated the last three nodes. They are just clones. After recreating them, the problems again occurs.
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I boiled it down to those nodes. Remove them and it all works ID_1135654444 ID_133773873 ID_505481114 ID_781282055
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Remove those nodes, and then unfolding is possible
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1✅ Even better. 1. I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot 2. I select the node "Marketing verbessern" 3. I unfold all children using the command "Unfold all" This works. 2🟠 I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot I select the node "Marketing verbessern" I unfold one level using "unfold one level" command . nothing happens
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1✅ Even better. 1. I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot 2. I select the node "Marketing verbessern" 3. I unfold all children using the command "Unfold all" This works. 2🟠 I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot I select the node "Marketing verbessern" I unfold one level using "unfold one level" command . nothing happens
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1✅ Even better. 1. I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot 2. I select the node "Marketing verbessern" 3. I unfold all children using the command "Unfold all" This works. 2 I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot I select the node "Marketing verbessern" I unfold one level using "unfold one level" command . nothing happens
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1✅ Even better. 1. I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot 2. I select the node "Marketing verbessern" 3. I unfold all children using the command "Unfold all" This works. 2 I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot I select the node "Marketing verbessern" I unfold one level using "unfold one level" command . nothing happens
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Even better. 1. I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot 2. I select the node "Marketing verbessern" 3. I unfold all children using the command "Unfold all" This works. But unfolding one level after another does not.
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Even better. 1. I filter the node "Maßnahmen" as seen in the screenshot 2. I select the node "Marketing verbessern" 3. I unfold all children "Unfold all" This works. BUt unfolding one level after another does not.
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Even better. 1. I filter the node "Marketing verbessern" 2. I select the node "Marketing verbessern" 3. I unfold all children "Unfold all" This works. BUt unfolding one level after another does not.
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I just realize that the problem is somehow only related to one branch/node. See video.
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Cannot unfold next level when filtering
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Cannot unfold next level when filtering
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Cannot unfold next level when filtering
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Well they did not mean to be rude. They have no clue what a mind map is :)
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Inconsistend behaviour when filtering root node
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Quickfilter no working correctly with "show ancestors" deactivated
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Quickfilter no working correctly with "show ancestors" deactivated
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Quickfilter no working correctly with "show ancestors" deactivated
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Usability: Increase the button that toggles the tool panel
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Cannot expand all descendants after following connector
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Cannot expand all descendants after following connector
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Cannot expand all descendants after following connector
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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Toughts towards clean and simple The next words, are more or less similar to others in this thread. I just want to express my thoughts, which might be a little diferent :) Focus on the goal, using a dedicated dicussion space You guys said it. This needs a goal, therefore focus. I suggest a dicussion board with a clear focus on this endeavour. "Project: Freeplane, clean and simple", or something like that. Create a big fat sticky, maybe an alert emoji, so everybody gets the point of the discussion...
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@euu We currently have Select Up/Down/Right/Left, but they are only applied to filtered nodes. So, the suggestion is to add a key modifier that would make this Select command include the nonfiltered nodes. I like both ideas. It rounds up the handling filtered nodes quiet nicely.
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See screenshot :) Whats the meaning of the icon ?
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I do not know for sure, but I guess the video shows currently open maps. If you want to keep tracking of maps, I suggest a map just for that. I have a dashbaord :) See screenshot attached. Gives a better overview :)
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I do not know for sure, but I am guessing it show currently open maps. If you want to keep tracking of maps, I suggest a map just for that. I have a dashbaord :) See screenshot attached.
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See screenshot :)
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@dpolivaev @euu If I got it right, you want to be able to see the ancestors and/or descendants of the connected nodes which you can open using the connector goto submenu when the corresponding filter options are enabled,. Request Draft I'd like to navigate to nodes excluded from the filter. Up the node hierarchy and down the node hierarchy. Number 1. should also apply, if the starting node was excluded from the filter but revealed by following a connector. If I travel up/down the hierarchy, I need...
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@quickfold @dpolivaev citing quickfold but if the main use is for helping simplfy the display for when someone else is looking at your complicated Freeplane map on your computer as you walk them through parts of it, I would consider it extremely low priority. One more thing, about complicated maps. Whoever introduced connectors, has opened Pandoras Box ;) Now maybe Freeplanes main use cases are much different from mine, but surley Freeplanes possibilites became gigantic with connectors. They are...
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@quickfold @dpolivaev citing quickfold but if the main use is for helping simplfy the display for when someone else is looking at your complicated Freeplane map on your computer as you walk them through parts of it, I would consider it extremely low priority. One more thing, about complicated maps. Whoever introduced connectors, has opened Pandoras Box ;) Now maybe Freeplanes main use cases are much different from mine, but surley Freeplanes possibilites became gigantic with connectors. They are...
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@quickfold @dpolivaev citing quickfold but if the main use is for helping simplfy the display for when someone else is looking at your complicated Freeplane map on your computer as you walk them through parts of it, I would consider it extremely low priority. One more thing, about complicated maps. Whoever introduced connectors, has opened Pandoras Box ;) Now maybe Freeplanes main use cases are much different from mine, but surley Freeplanes possibilites became gigantic with connectors. They are...
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Map to complicated Hmmm I'd say it is not complicated at all. Classic related data objects. But I am very interested in alternative approaches, to achieve the same clarity. Rare usage scenario And I am kinda suprised. Freeplane is being advertised as a project management tool. Projects usually are split into many tasks, milestones, rules, risks...... etc. that are in relation. I see no other way, then relying on connectors. But I am interested in any other and clearer approach. And those other people...
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For small maps this request is quiet usefull, because it easily allows to see visually in what kind of relationship two or more nodes which are close by are. But if there are many realtionships, or if the nodes are to far apart, then a list would be useful. A list that shows all connectors with the following attributes. Flow Source node core text Source node Style Connector Style Connector labels Incoming, Outgoing text text text All three lables
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@dpolivaev @euu If I got it right, you want to be able to see the ancestors and/or descendants of the connected nodes which you can open using the connector goto submenu when the corresponding filter options are enabled,. Request Draft I'd like to navigate to nodes excluded from the filter. Up the node hierarchy and down the node hierarchy. Number 1. should also apply, if the starting node was excluded from the filter but revealed by following a connector. If I travel up/down the hierarchy, I need...
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Map to complicated Hmmm I'd say it is not complicated at all. Classic related data objects. But I am very interested in alternative approaches, to achieve the same clarity. Rare usage scenario And I am kinda suprised. Freeplane is being advertised as a project management tool. Projects usually are split into many tasks, milestones, rules, risks...... etc. that are in relation. I see no other way, then relying on connectors. But I am interested in any other and clearer approach. Maybe Freeplane is...
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Export fails for "clickable map image version"
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Both relation types are needed. An edge groups nodes that are similar. At least in my work. Connectors can related those nodes to anything. Even incoming/outgoing flows can have special meaning. For my usecase connecteors are very very powerful. Their are the second half of Freeplanes heart :) If you are interested in my usecase, check the video :)
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I agree. I am thinking about a feature request . :) @dpolivaev , @euu Here is a draft :) And it is only a draft, because I am still playing around and did not had time to think!!!! Sceneario "Ok... please show me were you at", asks my superior. This person is not used to mindmaps at all. And time is money. Now the user needs to filter down to relevant aspects of the map to avoid confusion. The information needed, are nodes connected through connectors. The map has a parent/child/matrix structure....
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I agree. I am thinking about a feature request . :) @dpolivaev , @euu Here is a draft :) And it is only a draft, because I am still playing around and did not had time to think!!!! Sceneario "Ok... please show me were you at", asks my superior. This person is not used to mindmaps at all. And time is money. Now the user needs to filter down to relevant aspects of the map to avoid confusion. The information needed, are nodes connected through connectors. The map has a parent/child/matrix structure....
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I agree. I am thinking about a feature request . :) @dpolivaev , @euu Here is a draft :) And it is only a draft, because I am still playing around and did not had time to think!!!! Sceneario "Ok... please show me were you at", asks my superior. This person is not used to mindmaps at all. And time is money. Now the user needs to filter down to relevant aspects of the map to avoid confusion. The information needed, are nodes connected through connectors. The map has a parent/child/matrix structure....
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To put it in german "Du rennst offene Türen ein" :) I develop since 12 years. I understand every word and your perspective. . . You find some interesting edge cases where Freeplane does not behave as you expect it. It does not mean that it never behaves as expected. It means that each and every detail might be relevant. This thread was not about a bug. But from now on, I will treat each discussion as if it were a potential bug. And bugs need details of course. :) To me "Discussion" was more like...
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To put it in german "Du rennst offene Türen ein" :) I develop since 12 years. I understand every word and your perspective. You find some interesting edge cases where Freeplane does not behave as you expect it. It does not mean that it never behaves as expected. It means that each and every detail might be relevant. This thread was not about a bug. But from now on, I will treat each discussion as if it were a potential bug. And bugs need details of course. :) To me "Discussion" was more like "Help"....
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To put it in german "Du rennst offene Türen ein" :) I develop since 12 years. I understand every word and your perspective. You find some interesting edge cases where Freeplane does not behave as you expect it. It does not mean that it never behaves as expected. It means that each and every detail might be relevant. From now on, I will treat each discussion as if it were a potential bug. And bugs need details of course. :) To me "Discussion" was more like "Help". And the help I got, was good :) Trying...
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Looks like the connector is causing it.
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Map overview jumps
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Map overview jumps
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I think the current toolbar needs a heavy makeover. Everything that groups icons visually is good. Maybe we need more alternatives to ribbon if most oppose :)
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Export fails for "clickable map image version"
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Export fails for "clickable map image version"
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Well I'd like to replace outlook/thunderbird with Freeplane reminders. I track tasks in Freeplane, so... reminders should stick to tasks and wherever they are needed. @euu and @sfpcom are talking about one single map for all reminders. But this is a workaround. And it disrupts the workflow. I'd like to add reminders fast, where they belong. no linking of nodes in seperate maps. Anyway... the approach is similar. I think freeplane should somehow track all reminders for all maps. How about connecting...
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Reminders activate only with their map open Currently reminders do no activate when the parent map is closed. Problem - Approach prone to missing reminders It is necessary to keep all maps with reminders open. Otherwise the reminders won't activate. But how does the user track maps that need to stay open? My conclusion I personally do not see how reminders can be reliable, when the parent map needs to stay open. Maybe a different approach is needed, if reminders are to be leveraged :)
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well I want to keep the filtered nodes in view + add those ancestors. I mean, I could also follow a connector to make that node appear, so I was hoping I could also make ancestors appear.
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And here the map
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Filter Composer contradicts Map Conditional Style Engine
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The screenshot in the first post hides that I was using the buttons...sry
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The screenshot hides that I was using the buttons...sry
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The video in the first post shows an active "show ancestors" button, if I am not mistaken. Let me demonstrate again in this video. It starts with the "show ancestors" button being off.
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Sure :) I am just clearing up before I report a bug.
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The second part surely clears up how I think about format assignments. :) Thanks :) And for the first part, please see video. You mean what I mean :)
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I think there is a misunderstanding. I am not saying there is a bug! You explained me how Freeplane works, so I did not file one :) But in this thread you raised a question in your initial post, which I am still thinking over :) How do you think, which logic is the better one and why? I thought I add the "selected node" "issue" to the talk, because to me the behaviour is just as confusing, as the bug report, which led you to create this thread. Through newbie eyes the "selected node" must always...
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I think there is a misunderstanding. I am not saying there is a bug! You explained me how Freeplane works, so I did not file one :) But in this thread you raised a question in your initial post. How do you think, which logic is the better one and why? I thought I add the "selected node" "issue" to the talk, because to me the behaviour is just as confusing, as the bug report, which led you to create this thread. Through newbie eyes the "selected node" must always perform its duty. Not matter what...
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I think there is a misunderstanding. I am not saying there is a bug! You explained me how Freeplane works, so I did not file one :) But in this thread you raised a question in your initial post. How do you think, which logic is the better one and why? I thought I add the "selected node" "issue" to the talk, because to me the behaviour is just as confusing, as the bug report, which led you to create this thread. Through newbie eyes the "selected node" must always perform its duty. Not matter what...
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I think there is a misunderstanding. I am not saying there is a bug! You explained me how Freeplane works, so I did not file one :) But in this thread you raised a question in your initial post. How do you think, which logic is the better one and why? I thought I add the "selected node" "issue" to the talk, because to me the behaviour is just as confusing, as the bug report, which led you to create this thread. Through newbie eyes the "selected node" must always perform its duty. Not matter what...
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and the nodes that I need, are those ancestors :)
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excellent :) this is great. I hope I find the time to find a way to list those connectors in a list. Currently I play with scripts that put icons on the nodes to mark if they have incoming/outgoing connectors.
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Well... wrong wording from my side :). In the video I set a initial filter. The I follow a connector which will show a node the was initially hidden. Now I want to show more nodes that were hidden. Nomatter how :)
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Redirects to https://www.freeplane.sourceforge.io/
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In this video I try the same with normal nodes. Nothing happens. But as soon as I introduce floating nodes, the maps jumps accasionall, when I drag those floating nodes. Sometimes it jumps often, sometimes less. 3 computers, all the same behaviour.
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Well I have no clues either what exactly cause the behaviour. But if I drag and drop a little bit, I usually get a hit :) See video
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Check this video. I create a whole new map. Behaviour is the same
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Third computer Betriebsystemname Microsoft Windows 10 Pro for Workstations Version 10.0.18363 Build 18363 H:\>java -version java version "1.8.0_251" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_251-b08) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.251-b08, mixed mode) log files I will fetch later... need to run.
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behaviour is the same on both computers
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First Computer Betriebsystemname Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042 H:\>java --version java 15.0.2 2021-01-19 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 15.0.2+7-27) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 15.0.2+7-27, mixed mode, sharing) Second computer Betriebsystemname Microsoft Windows Server 2016 Standard Version 10.0.14393 Build 14393 C:\Users\soul>java -version java version "1.8.0_161" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_161-b12) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM...
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there is a video is the first post
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The map is filtered. And now I need to show the ancestors :) But how ? :)
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mindmap
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auto.properties
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Maps jumps when working with floating nodes.
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Maps jumps when working with floating nodes.
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💡How about an indicator that shows a conflict? We have two perspectives One chooses to have the last word, by explicitliy assigning formats to nodes/styles Another chooses to have the last word with conditional styles. Both perspectives seem legit Now... there are billions of usecases for both perspectives. I personally cannot choose the correct one, after reading through this thread. Freeplanes concept of prioritizing formats should be obvious It is hard to grasp, especially for beginners, when...
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💡How about an indicator that shows a conflict? We have two perspectives One chooses to have the last word, by explicitliy assigning formats to nodes/styles Another chooses to have the last word with conditional styles. Both perspectives seem legit Now... there are billions of usecases for both perspectives. I personally cannot choose the correct one, after reading through this thread. Freeplanes concept of prioritizing formats should be obvious It is hard to grasp, especially for beginners, when...
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💡How about an indicator that shows a conflict? We have two perspectives One chooses to have the last word, by explicitliy assigning formats to nodes/styles Another chooses to have the last word with conditional styles. Both perspectives seem legit Now... there are billions of usecases for both perspectives. I personally cannot choose the correct one, after reading through this thread. Freeplanes concept of prioritizing formats should be obvious It is hard to grasp, especially for beginners, when...
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💡How about an indicator that shows a conflict? We have two perspectives One chooses to have the last word, by explicitliy assigning formats to nodes/styles Another chooses to have the last word with conditional styles. Both perspectives seem legit Now... there are billions of usecases for both perspectives. I personally cannot choose the correct one, after reading through this thread. Freeplanes concept of prioritizing formats should be obvious It is hard to grasp, especially for beginners, when...
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