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I'm not comfortable doing that, but I will share with individuals who want to work on the files themselves and contact me directly (Sourceforge messages reach me fine).
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If I remember correctly, we decided against MediaWiki because we wanted a solution that would host the documentation (Dimitry didn't want to host it himself or have to update the platform and the current server was an old version of MediaWiki), Dimitry had specific requirements for spam protection etc., we wanted something where people could easily sign-up to contribute. AND, I strongly pushed for Markdown syntax rather than MediaWiki because it was what I was used to writing in and it was the most...
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Just FYI, other mindmapping programs have lots of layout options, whereas FP has only two. Dimitry told me this was mostly because of lack of user demand for alternative layouts. If I remember correctly (feel free to correct me) Dimitry also said, I think, that it would be a challenge to add other layouts as the programming is complicated and that he did it a long time ago so the logic is not fresh in his mind, although I'm sure he would be open to the possibility.
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Can someone clarify the reasons that the FP conference group prioritized discussion about moving the forum? Is it just a general agreement that this forum is old-fashioned and feature-limited, or was there some specific issue that was important to people?
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I also agree on having new functionality be put into add-ons in cases where integration with current UI is not essential. There is a lot of improvement that could be made in making add-ons work more easily with FP, with a goal of having them install/update/etc. more like browser extensions. I'll mention that there is actually a lot of information in the FP documentation (across all of its locations) about APIs. I don't know enough about APIs to help much with it, but that might be a good project...
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I assume you are familiar with @edo_f 's Tutorial Add-On, in development? https://sourceforge.net/p/freeplane/discussion/docwriters/thread/d7816ef55b/#39d3
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I find this possibility exciting. Can you explain more about the possible benefits of integrating Freeplane and Semantic MediaWiki? Is it more about import/export between FP and MediaWiki-formatted content? Or do the query functions allow things not currently possible in FP's query/filter functions?
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I am not sure if I will be able to join due to the scheduled time, which is late for me—but I will try. I think the face-to-face can help the forum maintain a positive feeling. I use Freeplane for writing academic papers. I support the idea of a roadmap.
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Dimitry, I also agree with everything macmarrum says. I have to point out that you said I wrote something, and put a statement in quotation marks, that omitted words that changed the meaning. I am not accusing you of any intentional wrongdoing. At minimum, we must take care to accurately quote what people actually said. This might also indicate to you that you may have unintentionally misinterpreted what I wrote or what I meant to write. My words were not from a statement, but a question I asked,...
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Dimitry, what should I do if I disagree with you about whether my words are harmful, or if I feel that you have violated the standards of personal respect that you are advocating here and harmed me in the process? The post that Dimitry deleted was a post where I was pointing out that, in my opinion, Dimitry was violating the standards that he outlines here as unacceptable speech. I won't explain the details out of fear that Dimitry will delete this post also. Please note that a discussion in which...
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@euu wrote: If I were you, my pragmatic approach would be: forget about the documentation. Agreed; for now, I've paused my participation in the documentation project. About Dimitry's decision-making, it seems that the best option is to just accept it as it is. If the consensus is that the decision-making won't change from what I described, and others agree with my analysis of the situation, then I'll accept that FP will never be a widely used tool and I'll stop pushing to significantly improve its...
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Dimitry wrote: I removed you from the group because I got an impression that you are not going to work on the documentation. I am fine deferring to your judgment on my participation, but I think we should be accurate and open with @macmarrum and the rest of the community. You told me directly over email that you removed me from the group because you were upset about statements I made on the forum, which you said were harmful to you as a person as well as to the Freeplane community. I generally consider...
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Dimitry wrote: I removed you from the group because I got an impression that you are not going to work on the documentation. I am fine deferring to your judgment on my participation, but I think we should be accurate and open with @macmarrum and the rest of the community. You told me directly over that you removed me from the group because you were upset about statements I made on the forum, which you said were harmful to you as a person as well as to the Freeplane community. I generally consider...
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Dimitry, I just noticed that you have deleted some of my previous forum posts without notification to me, and they are now not available to me in my own Sourceforge history or the forum search. I understand if you disagree with my statements, but it is hard for me to participate in discussions if I am worried that my comments can disappear in ways that will prevent others from seeing them in the future. Can I ask you to commit to not doing this in the future? Of course you are always welcome to respond...
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Hi, I'm @quickfold, a daily Freeplane user for 10+ years. I've been very active in Freeplane discussions and development from June 2021 until about 2 months ago. I began active contributions to Freeplane after a post I made arguing that Freeplane needed better documentation, and on Dimitry's invitation, I started working on that documentation. Since then, I have spent over 100 hours developing Freeplane documentation, a small portion of which is posted in draft form on the site https://freeplane.github.io/wiki/#/....
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Dimitry, I agree now, not a bug. @macmarrum, I recommend adding more information to the documentation, in particular explaining that when the user edits the CSS in the Style Editor, the CSS field will be auto-populated with any Default CSS, which will also be show in the tooltip. I can't add to documentation any more because Dimitry removed me as an authorized contributor.
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I agree, the tooltip is not the best way to indicate whether a style has user-added CSS. That was Dimitry's strategy to address the problem which he thought of and implemented. The solution I suggested was to have the "Edit CSS" button labeled as "Add CSS" when there was no user-added CSS for a particular style. I still think that is a much better solution, and our conversation here is evidence for that conclusion, since a tooltip showing fallback CSS is confusing. If I want is to see whether there...
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Based on your explanation, I now see that there is a CSS tooltip for any style if there is user-added CSS in the Default style. But this is not the desired behavior. The point of the tooltip is not to show the user what fallback Default CSS will be applied, but to help the user quickly see if there is user-added CSS for a particular style when trying to edit that style. The current tooltip behavior does not aid that goal. Thus, I recommend that the tooltip behavior be changed to show the user-added...
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I submitted a bug report with the map attached.
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no revert button in style editor even when CSS is defined
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@dpolivaev , you had said: And in order to see if the style defines its own CSS it is sufficient to look if the style node in a style editor has a revert button. In the attached screenshot, when the mouse cursor hovers over the Edit CSS button for style Notes, I get the tooltip showing user-added CSS but there is no revert button. I do see a revert button when hovering over the same button for style Default. Can you explain?
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Hi Kelvin, the Freeplane development team is basically one person, Dimitry, with a few others occasionally contributing. Dimitry doesn't always respond to forum posts, but I don't think you really need his permission to do any type of usability study (unless maybe your professor requires it), and in any case Dimitry welcomed a previous attempt along these lines by another group a few years ago and incorporated some of their suggestions into Freeplane. I don't speak for him, but I think you should...
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Maybe file a bug report? Or try some other combo in case that particular key combo is the problem?
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Therefore I do not understand why seeing if anything is overriding some CSS settings without knowing the exact CSS behind could be useful. I use CSS to format only a few styles. Most styles I format with the FP UI. Thus it is useful for me to easily see whether I need to check CSS when troubleshooting or modifying styles.
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Dimitry, you are confused because you understand the program too well. There is always CSS, but there is not always user-added CSS. The issue is not whether CSS exists at some level behind the scenes. The issue is that the user, when trying to change formatting, needs to know whether to manually edit user-added CSS or use the Format Panel UI. If I am using CSS for some styles but not others, when I want to change a style, I need to always manually check the CSS in the editor to see if there is anything...
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Generally, all nodes, details and notes use some CSS formatting. I was talking from the user perspective. What I meant was: there should be an indicator next to the styles that are using CSS formatting that the user has added to the style through the CSS editor inside the Style Editor. And in order to see if the style defines its own CSS it is sufficient to look if the style node in a style editor has a revert button. What do you mean that the style node has a revert button? In the style editor,...
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Generally, all nodes, details and notes use some CSS formatting. I was talking from the user perspective. What I meant was: there should be an indicator next to the styles that are using CSS formatting that the user has added to the style through the CSS editor inside the Style Editor. And in order to see if the style defines its own CSS it is sufficient to look if the style node in a style editor has a revert button. What do you mean that the style node has a revert button? In the style editor,...
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Hi, you wrote: The only use for the eye icon right now is the Viewing/Editing button, which I think the current icon isn't as clear on representing. The eye icon is currently used for View->Show hidden nodes. As a designer, you may know more then me, but isn't the eye icon used widely as a standard for hide/show, as in Adobe products and many others? I know there is some level of arbitrary labeling and learning in a program, but if we can avoid cross-application confusion it is worth doing. I'm wondering...
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@dpolivaev please respond to the previously posted suggestion: In the style editor, there should be an indicator next to the styles that are using CSS formatting so the user doesn't have to select every style and manually open the CSS editor to check if the style has CSS.
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I like the look of the icons a lot. In several cases the meaning isn't clear to me. As @euu writes: Something I realized about the current icons is that the plus and minus symbols used for the fold/unfold action are confusing because it can also be interpreted as the insert and delete node action. Fold/unfold, insert/delete are simply the 4 main actions on a mindmap program, so using an ambiguous symbols here is not a good idea. Maybe, using an opened/closed eye for the unfold/fold action solves...
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@rexelbartolome Hi Rexel, I'm excited to see someone interested in improving the Freeplane UI! I strongly recommend reading the loooooong thread here where we discuss the Ribbon UI to get a sense of some UI-relevant issues already discussed: https://sourceforge.net/p/freeplane/discussion/758437/thread/ac0fb5c81a/#be50 If you have comments about issues discussed there, I'm interested to read them (here, there, or in a new thread). I'll note that the complaint that Freeplane UI is ugly/outdated often...
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Hi Dimitry, you asked for more feedback, but you have not responded to the many suggestions I made in posts earlier in this thread. Can you comment/accept/reject them? Thanks.
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Hi @kewapo, great work! It will definitely be useful. I'll make a few comments. It would be good to have an opening section describing this document and what it is intended to do and not to do. One question is how this manual differs from information available in FP tooltips. Sometimes there is a lot more info than on the tooltip, but in some places it is very similar. No need to duplicate work and list items if there is not much to add over the tooltip. I've posted this link elsewhere, but in case...
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Added to the feature request map I maintain.
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Hi @macmarrum, there are a lot of CSS formatting possibilities, so I expect that working out the details of the implementation and documentation will take some testing, especially in terms of when CSS and UI formatting settings conflict. It appears that both @edo_f and I have already encountered bugs. I also wonder how CSS interacts with conditional styles. There is no documentation for conditional styles yet anyway, but I'm sure that adding CSS makes it that much more complicated. Do you use any...
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It seems that one map has Outline View on, and the other has it off. Check View->View settings->Outline view.
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I've used FP for 15 years, never heard of this Alt+wheel shortcut. Another mismatch between function and documentation.
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Feedback: 7. In the style editor, there should be an indicator next to the styles that are using CSS formatting so the user doesn't have to select every style and manually open the CSS editor to check if the style has CSS.
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Bug of some sort: I set a map to follow a template that has CSS. For the map, no CSS appears in the Style Editor. There is no bold set for any style. But when I select a node in the map, and change to edit mode, the text in edit mode turns bold. The bold remains after leaving edit mode.
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Feedback: 6. I think the CSS should be included with templates in the same way normal styles are in terms of followed and associated templates. If a change is made to the CSS of a style in a followed template, that change should propogate to the map. And, if a change is made to the CSS of a style in a map, and the style is "Made default" using that action in the format panel, then the CSS change should be applied to the "maps based on template" indicated in the format panel.
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Dimtry, thanks for this, it is useful! @macmarrum, I think that the community voiced an idea a few months ago that anyone who made a feature request that was implemented would be responsible for documenting use of the feature. I am wondering whether you could compile the explanatory posts you have already made into a basic documentation of the CSS editor feature that we could add to the docs? Feedback: 1. Dimitry, I suggest changing the -> button to read Refresh CSS Preview above the arrow so the...
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Dimitry, why do you assume that Markdown styles would be helper styles that cannot be used to format nodes rather than being like other styles that can be used to format nodes? After all, they are intended primarily to format node core text. I was imagining them to be like Level Styles, which can be applied automatically by rule or manually by user.
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Dimitry, why do you assume that Markdown styles would be helper styles that cannot be used to format nodes rather than being like other styles that can be used to format nodes? I was imagining them to be like Level Styles, which can be applied automatically by rule or manually by user.
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@dpolivaev Hi Dimitry, you used a term I am not familiar with: "helper styles"—does this mean "user-defined" styles? You distinguished them from Level Styles but I don't know what they are.
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@dpolivaev Dimitry wrote: I think that adding of many helper style nodes (h1 to h6, p, th, tr, td) would be overwhelming. I prefer to use CSS. I know that you prefer to use CSS. Most markdown users do not prefer to use CSS (as evidenced by the fact that they use Markdown and not HTML). I value interfaces that meet the needs of the many over the needs of the few. Regarding your comment about what is overwhelming, it is interesting. There are two aspects to overwhelmingness: the number of required...
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@dpolivaev Dimitry wrote: I think that adding of many helper style nodes (h1 to h6, p, th, tr, td) would be overwhelming. I prefer to use CSS. I know that you prefer to use CSS. Most markdown users do not prefer to use CSS (as evidenced by the fact that they use Markdown and not HTML). I value interfaces that meet the needs of the many over the needs of the few. Regarding your comment about what is overwhelming, it is interesting. There are two aspects to overwhelmingness: the number of required...
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I understand that with the CSS solution I will be able to make the simple changes I want to make. I am concerned that this solution will open a can of worms that will have many complications in actual implementation of the logic, but you all can judge that better than I can. I also think it would require immense documentation effort to clearly explain to users, but if that is the solution others prefer and that Dimitry wants, it is the one most likely to be implemented, and I understand that I am...
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I started this thread asking if we could change how Freeplane formats Markdown styles. One proposal was CSS definitions, and then this got very complicated in a way that I fear is going to make it impossible to make the small changes I really want. After seeing @macmarrum's beautiful map formatting, I think that one problem is that we have very different goals, and macmarrum's goals require a MUCH more complicated solution than the problem I want to solve. Let me start again in this way: I want to...
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When I say "Markdown categories" I do mean categories like H1, H2, bold text, etc. that users can apply to text using Markdown syntax. The Markdown syntax is converted to HTML tags, but "Markdown categories" and "HTML tags" are different because there are HTML tags that can't be represented in Markdown syntax. If I understand, you are proposing a separate CSS file and formatting definitions for each style that a user wants to format using CSS. This includes both node core styles (such as "main topic,...
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Many thanks macmarrum! I suppose that "apply style" is my main use for F keys so this issue is salient for me. For documentation purposes, are you aware of any "dynamic" menu items that might be assigned to F keys other than "apply style"?
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Better to leave the post up in case others have a related problem. The information here can be useful to them.
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@dpolivaev Dimitry, what is the current logic for determining which map view is activated when a map view is closed?
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I'm just curious, why do you want to be able to see the names of the icons in a node?
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Dimitry wrote: They all look nice. So what is the next step then? How will you feel if you create a ribbon that some users strongly reject but others like? If we make a ribbon with a certain layout and people disagree about the best layout, how to proceed? I think the first video uses menu while ribbon is still visible, this option is not available in Radiance Ribbon. Is this a dealbreaker or even a significant problem? The general solution would be to have all current menu items show in the ribbon...
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Hi @macmarrum, Thanks. One confusion here is that you recommend the user create a new style and copy format to that style rather than what I would expect, which is copying a style from one map to another. Is that another way to do it? A related issue there is it's not clear to me whether a user can copy a single style from one map to another or if the only option is to copy all styles from one map to another.
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Hi, we have written some new documentation here: https://freeplane.github.io/wiki/#/ It's only 10% complete, but you may find it useful. Please offer feedback or ask questions here.
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@dpolivaev, @euu Fortunately, I think that designing a ribbon may not be necessary to get feedback on the ribbon UI. Dimitry and others, can you look at these < 2 min videos showing the program MindManager and let us know what you think of the Ribbon UI they use? Let us try not to be distracted by all of the many differences between this program and Freeplane, and focus what people think of the Ribbon UI (which includes menus) vs. the current FP toolbars with all of the buttons shown at the same...
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Hi, @dpolivaev and @macmarrum, thanks for the comments and resources. I actually am familiar with CSS but I was not thinking about it in the same way that you guys were. When I looked at the explanation mind map, which has "CSS added here" with lines connecting to specific styles, I thought that you are proposing a separate CSS file and formatting definitions for each style that a user wanted to format using CSS. I now understand that you are proposing one CSS file that can define formatting for...
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@macmarrum and @dpolivaev - I understand the mindmap summarizing Dimitry's suggestion but I don't see how it answers the questions I posed. It seems that there still needs to be a set of Markdown styles shown in the style editor so the user knows which css will define each Markdown category (e.g. Header 1, Header 2, etc.). Am I correct about that? If so, then there are two parts to implementing the suggestion: 1. Add "Markdown styles" to the Style Editor so users can define the format of each of...
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Dimitry wrote: Each node can become its CSS extension, and if it is not set, the extension is controlled by the node style. This extension can define html formatting in case node contains html. I'm not clear on what this means. Does it mean that 1) there would be one css file that covers all nodes, with the css specified in that file for each markdown category, or 2) that each markdown category would get a separate css file? In either case, how would the user actually create and use css for header...
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I'm surprised at Bal Simon's post. I don't think anyone wants a leaderless project. Obviously having a strong leader is essential. In case it is not clear, I also think BDFL is one of the right models for non-profit, free, open source projects. There are different ways to do BDFL, even with the same leaders, and I am not suggesting changing leadership. I would just like FP to have more impact than it currently does, and I think that this requires some changes in the methods of decision-making, although...
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Thanks for clarifying. I didn't invent the term "BDFL", I came across it when doing some research on how open-source projects can make good decisions about goals and direction. That's why I linked the wikipedia page and tried to clarify that I didn't mean it as a slur or an insult. The term exists in the world and it describes FP (and emacs and Blender) leadership.
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I'm surprised at Bal Simon's post. I don't think anyone wants a leaderless project. Obviously having a strong leader is essential. In case it is not clear, I also think BDFL is the right model for non-profit, free, open source projects. There are different ways to do BDFL, even with the same leaders, and I am not suggesting changing leadership. I would just like FP to have more impact than it currently does, and I think that this requires some changes in the methods of decision-making, although I...
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Dimitry wrote: And now you have just informed us that you are not going to make contributions as long as there is BDFL kind of leadership. At the beginning of this post I explained why I am not going to change it There has been a big misunderstanding here. I am not saying I won't make contributions, I am saying that I won't currently design and propose a ribbon UI overhaul in the current situation. That is just one of many potential contributions. And I'm not saying that I won't contribute to Freeplane...
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Hi @macmarrum, thanks for the explanation. If I understand, your examples cover the case where there are conflicting styles assigned to one F key, but I am wondering about these two cases: you assign a style to an F key, and then open a different map without that style, and then assign the F key to a totally different action, and then close FP and reopen it. Does the F key assignment depend on which map you open, even though the assignment is not saved to a map, but the user properties? you assign...
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Hi @edo_f, You wrote: I'm not questioning the ideas discussed here or your commitment and support to the Freeplane project. I really think they are highly valuable. I also support the idea to priorize the tasks that will make Freeplane friendlier to new users and the reasons you mention are the same that I have. I really appreciate your comment and support and I didn't think you were questioning my commitment at all. I also understand your desire to contribute via scripts rather than core coding,...
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Hi, good point @macmarrum - we should focus on the "what" and "why" first, although the "how" is relevant since Dimitry @dpolivaev did ask about it. Dimitry, can you weigh in here now that you have some answers? In short, I think thread posts agree that FP should allow a method of specifying custom styles for Markdown categories of headers 1-6, block quotes, code blocks, and other categories specified in the plug-in. I suggested doing it in Style Editor, macmarrum suggested doing it with css. What...
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Dimitry wrote: The judge has spoken. Although he may like that title, it is not accurate and there is a more appropriate term we should adopt instead. Dimitry is a "BDFL" - benevolent dictator for life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life That is not a slur, and if you click the link, you will see it is a 100% accurate description and how we all should refer to Dimitry (and he to himself). Titles matter and can be misleading. Judges apply the law, they do not make the law....
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@edo_f wrote: Why don't we use this effort to make the changes you talk here about and let's test them and see if anybody was right? Can anybody help Dimitry with this task? Any other Java coder? I would love if it could happen. I am the only one other than Dimitry at this point, I think, that is currently able to devote significant time to helping, and I cannot code. My strengths are (I hope) in understanding and explaining complex things to people who don't already know them and in writing clear...
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Thanks @euu, I have been on the verge of giving up over the last few weeks and any positive feedback is surprisingly effective. I hate feeling like I am constantly in a struggle with Dimitry when we both ultimately have the same goals.
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Miguel Boyer wrote: The obsesion to increase the user base is a bit strange. Why don't we let the word to be themselves, use whatever they want....THAT IS... UNLESS, OF COURSE... This is a BUSINESS we will try to live on it, or want to live on it, and we have to inaugurate a marketing and advertising department to increase our revenue. Freeplane will (I assume) never be a business. I wouldn't work on it if it weren't free and open source. Perhaps this will blow your mind, but my motive is that I...
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FP is very confusing on this. In addition to @macmarrum's information, note that you can also save and load hotkey presents (aka keyboard shortcuts) at Tools->Hot key presets->Save hot keys… More confusing is the F-bar key assignments, which honestly I still don't fully understand. The F-bar is built based on a combination of the map and the hotkey presets, I believe. Maybe Dimitry or others can explain more fully, but you should not expect to see the F-bar look the same between different maps if...
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Hi, good point my @macmarrum - we should focus on the "what" and "why" first, although the "how" is relevant since Dimitry @dpolivaev did ask about it. Dimitry, can you weigh in here now that you have some answers? In short, I think thread posts agree that FP should allow a method of specifying custom styles for Markdown categories of headers 1-6, block quotes, code blocks, and other categories specified in the plug-in. I suggested doing it in Style Editor, macmarrum suggested doing it with css....
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Dimitry wrote: To be honest, I am not sure if Freeplane is the best choice for a typical user. Maybe it has too much power and requires too much learning for a typical user. Maybe it is a niche product, and I think we do not want to loose it as such. You are partly right about Freeplane —right now it requires too much learning for a typical user and is a niche product. That is why I devoted so much time to documenting and improving it. But is it really too powerful for a typical user? Does it need...
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Above I presented Dimitry with a question: I and presumably some others in the Freeplane community want to prioritize making FP more user-friendly to expand its social impact. Others do not want to prioritize that goal, and instead they want to prioritize making FP best fit its current userbase. Those two goals are not always in conflict, but sometimes they will be—that is just an undeniable fact. So which priority does our judge Dimitry choose if one has to be picked? Dimitry responsed: I would...
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I am thinking that the best solution would use FP's current Style Editor so users can use the same familiar interface to format both nodes and Markdown categories, as @macmarrum mentions in their "So that" line. @macmarrum, your suggestion to allow CSS styling overrides in the Style Editor is interesting and I am not against it. I think that it is a slightly different issue than Markdown formatting specifically because it could be implemented in the current interface and apply to more than just Markdown....
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I am thinking that the best solution would use FP's current Style Editor so users can use the same familiar interface to format both nodes and Markdown categories, as @macmarrum mentions in their "So that" line. Here is my suggestion for feedback: allow users to create a category in Style Editor parallel to technical styles, user-defined styles, and level styles. The new category would be called "Markdown styles" and would auto-populate with the limited number of categories relevant to Markdown....
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Markdown is a plain-text, human-readable syntax that makes it easy to indicate text styles. It is easy to write in many editors and can produce nice looking output. I am very glad that Freeplane has recently added it. There is a major limitation to markdown in FP. Currently, there is no way for the user to customize the rendering. A # character will make the text into a heading that is bold and in huge font. It is too large for me, so I don't use headings even though I would like to. This also makes...
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@dpolivaev Yes, you nailed it. Human teams are social networks connected by language and culture. Agreed? Social networks are totally different from neural networks exactly because they are connected by language and culture rather than by microscopic chemical reactions . You mentioned the idea that neural networks improve by changing the connection weights between nodes. You also note that the decisions made by neural networks cannot always be explained by people using them. You make an argument...
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@dpolivaev Yes, you nailed it. Human teams are social networks connected by language and culture. Agreed? Social networks are totally different from neural networks exactly because they are connected by language and culture rather than by microscopic chemical reactions . You mentioned the idea that neural networks improve by changing the connection weights between nodes. You also note that the decisions made by neural networks cannot always be explained by people using them. You make an argument...
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@dpolivaev Yes, you nailed it. Human teams are social networks connected by language and culture. Agreed? Social networks are totally different from neural networks exactly because they are connected by language and culture rather than by microscopic chemical reactions . You mentioned the idea that neural networks improve by changing the connection weights between nodes. You also note that the decisions made by neural networks cannot always be explained by people using them. You make an argument...
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Dimitry, you wrote: Now let me try to explain what I think about the mystery of decision making and how I see the role of arguments and open questions in this process. My understanding is based on what I have learnt about neural networks. And for me all individual human brains AND all human teams are examples of neural networks. I agree that human brains are literally neural networks. I assume you mean to say that human teams are social networks that act sort of like neural networks (obviously, people...
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@euu wrote: Let me see if I understand your frustration. You talk about moving forward, so we may see it as a multiple steps process. Would you feel more secure if the process were organized like this: -Phase 1: abstract proposal of the Ribbon. The goal here is to conclude if, theoretically, the ribbon can bring improvements. After the discussion around it, if Dimitry have a positive conclusion, we can assume that the negative opinions were dismissed and won't be used, on the following phases, to...
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Dimitry, I was writing a response to your open questions and I realized that I don't even know if we are both interested in the same general goal. My goal is to increase the impact of FP by making it more popular with typical users, and I see a key way to achieve that goal as making it easier for the average user to learn what FP can do, to understand how FP works, and to understand how to do things in FP. Do you agree with that goal? Is that something I can refer to in forum conversations as a guiding...
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Miguel Boyer wrote: I mean, in a nutshell: May it be that not anybody is eager to change it's digital projects into a tree, instead of a real problem with the Freeplane usability? The issue is not mindmapping vs. text editors vs. databases. There are dozens of mindmapping programs with millions of users, some of them very expensive, almost none of them totally free, which means many people know and like mindmapping programs and find value in having ones they enjoy using. We also have good evidence...
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Miguel Boyer wrote: I mean, in a nutshell: May it be that not anybody is eager to change it's digital projects into a tree, instead of a real problem with the Freeplane usability? The issue is not mindmapping vs. text editors vs. databases. There are dozens of mindmapping programs with millions of users, some of them very expensive, almost none of them totally free, which means many people know and like mindmapping programs and find value in having ones they enjoy using. We also have good evidence...
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Responding to @euu: @euu wrote that "To be fair, Dimitry was very clear about his rationale". Thanks for highlighting that part of Dimitry's post. In it, he was clear about his rationale for something very specific: wanting to restructure or split the toolbar before designing a Ribbon UI. His rationale assumed that the problem we are trying to solve is that "people do not like current toolbar because of the elements there are not carefully chosen and ordered". However, that is not the main problem,...
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Hi, I think general questions of decision-making process and forum etiquette are best put in a separate thread, so I will try to keep this to two issues about the ribbon UI. First: I wrote: I suspect that both of the following are true: 1) users/potential users report disliking FP because they don't like the icons, 2) changing the icons would not be enough to make users like FP because doing so is not enough to make the UI look "good" to them. Dimitry wrote: For me the second statement seems to contradict...
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Hi, I think general questions of decision-making process and forum etiquette are best put in a separate thread, so I will try to keep this to two issues about the ribbon UI. I wrote: I suspect that both of the following are true: 1) users/potential users report disliking FP because they don't like the icons, 2) changing the icons would not be enough to make users like FP because doing so is not enough to make the UI look "good" to them. Dimitry wrote: For me the second statement seems to contradict...
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I really like @euu's formalization of the arguments about Ribbon UI since this thread has included many discussions of many topics, some of which are only loosely related, and it highlights how some arguments for/against have not been addressed, and how some seem stronger than others. It is interesting to note that Dimitry seems opposed to people raising arguments for/against positions and prefers asking open questions, but @euu likes the idea of using formal arguments (or reasons) to evaluate positions,...
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First, glad that people are enjoying the discussion in this thread, but I want to re-emphasize that there are no current plans to implement a ribbon UI, because for the past year the primary person working for major changes to the Freeplane UI was me, and I have decided to reduce my large-scale Freeplane contributions for the time being (while remaining involved in the community). Glad you enjoyed the video, Dimitry! You wrote: Interestingly, for me finding tools in libre office not adopting a ribbon...
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Thank you! Do you know how to search/replace for a string that starts with a "@" and ends after the last letter or digit? So this one would work if the entire node is the replace string (with no space at the end), or if the string is followed by a space or punctuation mark. So "Also @Smith2000: this is true" would become "Also [@Smith2000]: this is true"
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When editing nodes with Core Text Format: Markdown, headings are created using # characters. But the font size of the rendered headings is far too large. How can I customize the default font size for headings? Note that changing the font size in the Formatting panel does not work because the Markdown rendering overrides any manually set font elements. Thanks.
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Hi, I am not going to actively pursue this improvement right now, so I want to put some resources here for future efforts (by me or others). The ribbon was designed by a product team that saw how actual MS Office users were increasingly having trouble finding and using commands. They saw that most suggestions for improvements were for functions that already existed, and most questions were about how to do things that were already in the software—just like Freeplane. Looking at the evolution of MS...
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Hello, helpful community members, can anyone provide information for me here?
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