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From: Gerald F. <ger...@fr...> - 2006-11-14 18:36:53
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Here's a little schema that shows what happens when you play A6 then A5 then A6 again in legato (I'm not sure if, for example, A6 is really the note that usually corresponds to 880 Hz, that's not important anyway). Vertically is time that passes : Keyboard a b ------------ ------------------------- -------------------------- *A6*_(880) 880 *new note* silent--880 *new note* | | silent---| | | silent---| | | silent---| A5__(440) |--(fade-out) 440-(fade-in) | silent--220-(catch-up) | | silent--440-(to-norm) | | silent---| | | silent---| | A6__(880) 880-(fade-in) |--(fade-out) | | silent-1760-(catch-up) | | silent--880-(to-norm) | | silent---| | | silent---| V V silent---V The catch-up frequency is newfreq*(newfreq/oldfreq), for example 440*(440/880)==220. -- Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr |
From: Gerald F. <ger...@fr...> - 2006-11-14 01:42:10
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yawfle wrote: > I'm too tired to fully understand the explanation of how it works right > now, but it seems to work beautifully. Nice job! :) Thanks :) > (The intermediate frequency syncronizes the phase of the waveform for > the onset of the next note? Is that the right idea?) No, the idea was not really to get phase synchronization (though it's possible that it actually does, I think it may depend on the instrument, if the two waveforms started in phase I guess it's possible it does). That's why I tend to use the therm "catch-up", it sounds less precise. The idea was more because I think there are instruments whose general sound evolute faster when played on a high note, and slower when played on a low note, so the idea was just to compensate for that, to avoid having this sound evolution at a different advancement between the two parallel notes. So it is just to synchronise the sound evolution advancement. -- Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr |
From: yawfle <ya...@no...> - 2006-11-13 23:29:25
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On Monday 13 November 2006 08:31, Gerald Folcher <ger...@fr...> said: > I hope you'll enjoy, please tell me if you find any problems. I'm too tired to fully understand the explanation of how it works right now, but it seems to work beautifully. Nice job! :) (The intermediate frequency syncronizes the phase of the waveform for the onset of the next note? Is that the right idea?) -- yawfle |
From: Gerald F. <ger...@fr...> - 2006-11-13 16:24:03
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Hello, I uploaded a "v5" update for the Legato mode at the usual place: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1582002&group_id=62934&atid=502314 Now legato transitions should be smooth and clickless. To do that, when you play a first note in legato mode it will play two simultaneous same notes, one sound, the other silent, so that when doing a legato transition it will first change the silent note then do a quick crossfade between the two. Then since the now silent note that just did fade-out was still playing with the previous frequency during the crossfade, before being set also to the actually playing frequency it is first set to a certain frequency that will supposedly permit it to catch-up (resync), it stays at this catch-up frequency for the same amount of time as the crossfade, then it is finally set to the actual frequency. Well, all that is done while the note is silent but it's interesting to know. I hope you'll enjoy, please tell me if you find any problems. -- Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr |
From: Lars L. <lar...@gm...> - 2006-11-12 19:19:28
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On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 12:17 -0500, James Hughes wrote: > Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote: > > James Hughes wrote: > >> Basically : Line6 operates a repository for tones for their products.=20 > >> Users log in and search or browse the repository for tones. Tags=20 > >> describe them and give information about the author and setup for the=20 > >> device. The user can download the patch to a folder on the PC or to th= e=20 > >> devices active bank. > > > > Sounds like a nice way to *get* sounds. However: > > 1) How could contributing be integrated in this concept? > > =20 > All users register to use the repository. Contributors just upload their=20 > patch along with tag information (the submission form will provide=20 > spaces for whatever information we need to attach to the patch). Why should you have to register? Sounds a bit un-open-sourcey to me. If everything is publically accessible it can be automatically accessed, aggregated and archived by other tools and indices as well, which would be a good thing. --=20 Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E |
From: Abrolag <ab...@us...> - 2006-11-10 20:10:43
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I've just put up a post on http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=47 the ZynAddSubFX forum, asking for any more instrument banks. I don't think we'll get a deluge but I thought it worthwhile 'just in case' :) -- W J G |
From: James H. <hug...@be...> - 2006-11-10 17:17:59
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Atte André Jensen wrote: > James Hughes wrote: > > >> Basically : Line6 operates a repository for tones for their products. >> Users log in and search or browse the repository for tones. Tags >> describe them and give information about the author and setup for the >> device. The user can download the patch to a folder on the PC or to the >> devices active bank. >> > > Sounds like a nice way to *get* sounds. However: > > 1) How could contributing be integrated in this concept? > > All users register to use the repository. Contributors just upload their patch along with tag information (the submission form will provide spaces for whatever information we need to attach to the patch). > 2) Could a "protocol" be developed so all this is totally integrated > into the different apps (yes, I think it would be great if a > common-to-(almost)-all-linux-apps way of sharing sounds could be developed)? > > Uses standard http port 80. So, initially a browser is all you need. I think it would be fairly simple to add a browser to any application that needed to use the repository. The repository site will provide the navigation. For now any browser will work though. I'll have enough of the system together by early next week to look at. And yes I was thinking of making it open to other apps for patches. I'm not sure what other things would benefit. Maybe a soundfont repository (those things are huge :) ?? We'll see! >> It is a really nice way to organize things and it makes finding and >> trying new tones easy. Anyway, I'll put up a prototype next week for >> evaluation and comments. >> > > Fantastic!!! > > -james -- Music by man and machine: Check out "The BlueWall Groove" @ Myspace http://www.myspace.com/bluewallgroove |
From: <att...@gm...> - 2006-11-10 16:44:35
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James Hughes wrote: > Basically : Line6 operates a repository for tones for their products. > Users log in and search or browse the repository for tones. Tags > describe them and give information about the author and setup for the > device. The user can download the patch to a folder on the PC or to the > devices active bank. Sounds like a nice way to *get* sounds. However: 1) How could contributing be integrated in this concept? 2) Could a "protocol" be developed so all this is totally integrated into the different apps (yes, I think it would be great if a common-to-(almost)-all-linux-apps way of sharing sounds could be developed)? > It is a really nice way to organize things and it makes finding and > trying new tones easy. Anyway, I'll put up a prototype next week for > evaluation and comments. Fantastic!!! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions |
From: James H. <hug...@be...> - 2006-11-10 16:39:34
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Atte André Jensen wrote: > Abrolag wrote: > > >> I vote for 1). When I'm looking for a sound I want similar ones >> together to compare. I don't care who it's from. >> > > So this seems to be what most people agree on would be best... > > >> Is there any possibility at a later date of changing Zyn so that the >> banks folder can be completely free-form and (say) at start up Zyn >> makes a list of ALL instruments which can then be displayed sorted by >> any field you like? >> > > It's clear that zynaddsubfx would hugely benefit from additional > functionality, for instance: > > 1) The addition of a way to share sounds in one more more repositories. > > 2) The possibility to search the local (and possibly online) collection > for (at least) occurrences of a string in the author and comment field. > Possibly an other free text field for tagging sounds would be helpful. > > 3) The ability to add more "type" categories from the gui. If sounds are > shared through an online repository, some sort of mechanism for avoiding > total confusing (every sound contributer adding new categories at > random) should be available. > > Bottom line: zynaddsubfx (as any other synth) would benefit hugely from > more good sounding patches/sounds. A way for users to easily and > consistently share sounds is paramount for this to happen. > > It would be very interesting to hear what Paul thinks about this and if > he's interested in considering working on implementing new features in > this area (which is why i bcc'ed this mail to him). > > I am kicking around some ideas here to help in this area. I will be busy over the weekend. But, I'll have some time next week to get it together. Basically : Line6 operates a repository for tones for their products. Users log in and search or browse the repository for tones. Tags describe them and give information about the author and setup for the device. The user can download the patch to a folder on the PC or to the devices active bank. It is a really nice way to organize things and it makes finding and trying new tones easy. Anyway, I'll put up a prototype next week for evaluation and comments. -james -- Music by man and machine: Check out "The BlueWall Groove" @ Myspace http://www.myspace.com/bluewallgroove |
From: James H. <hug...@be...> - 2006-11-10 16:25:52
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Atte André Jensen wrote: > Hi > > I spoke with Paul, and before deciding what action to take on the zombie > fix he'll appreciate reports on: > > 1) Do you hear clicks in the audio (potentially needs to play two parts) > with the zombie fix? > > I did hear some click-static-noise not present in 2.2.1 > 2) Can you compile current cvs, and what is your jack version? > > cvs compiles fine here jack.pc reports 0.102.23 (built from cvs 10/28/2006) > Additional information that would be helpful include: > > * Processor + RAM amount > Processor model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 2131.695 cache size : 256 KB 1GB RAM > * Operating system (if linux which distro) > Linux (Slackware 11.0) Kernel 2.6.15-rt16 #2 PREEMPT > * Jack version (installed by hand or binaries from distro) > Jack (see version information above) running RT, 128 frames, 2 buffers -- Music by man and machine: Check out "The BlueWall Groove" @ Myspace http://www.myspace.com/bluewallgroove |
From: <att...@gm...> - 2006-11-10 16:21:42
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Abrolag wrote: > I vote for 1). When I'm looking for a sound I want similar ones > together to compare. I don't care who it's from. So this seems to be what most people agree on would be best... > Is there any possibility at a later date of changing Zyn so that the > banks folder can be completely free-form and (say) at start up Zyn > makes a list of ALL instruments which can then be displayed sorted by > any field you like? It's clear that zynaddsubfx would hugely benefit from additional functionality, for instance: 1) The addition of a way to share sounds in one more more repositories. 2) The possibility to search the local (and possibly online) collection for (at least) occurrences of a string in the author and comment field. Possibly an other free text field for tagging sounds would be helpful. 3) The ability to add more "type" categories from the gui. If sounds are shared through an online repository, some sort of mechanism for avoiding total confusing (every sound contributer adding new categories at random) should be available. Bottom line: zynaddsubfx (as any other synth) would benefit hugely from more good sounding patches/sounds. A way for users to easily and consistently share sounds is paramount for this to happen. It would be very interesting to hear what Paul thinks about this and if he's interested in considering working on implementing new features in this area (which is why i bcc'ed this mail to him). -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions |
From: Gerald F. <ger...@fr...> - 2006-11-10 03:16:26
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About this zombie fix potentially becoming a problem for some users, would it be possible to make it as a checkbox option in the program's settings ? That would be the best solution IMO. -- Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr |
From: Gerald F. <ger...@fr...> - 2006-11-10 02:59:52
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Hi, Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote: > 1) Do you hear clicks in the audio (potentially needs to play two parts= )=20 > with the zombie fix? No, playing some Zyn's parts from the Muse sequencer I didn't notice any=20 clicks or interruptions. That's bad there may not be enough users on=20 this list to make reliable statistics about that. > 2) Can you compile current cvs, and what is your jack version? To keep up with CVS I did install Jack from the last sources, version=20 0.102.20, as Debian Sid was/is currently at 0.101.1 (which does not have=20 the jack midi stuff). I had to do a library symlink, also I made a dummy=20 package with "equivs" to make the package dependency tracking system happ= y. PS: I don't give my CPU + RAM config but I believe it's quite probably=20 less than yours ;) --=20 Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr |
From: Gerald F. <ger...@fr...> - 2006-11-10 01:24:34
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Hello, I uploaded a "v4" update patch for CVS that is also applicable on patched 2.2.1. It's only a small bugfix update, it only fixes some bugs in the legato code that did make Zyn crash when playing legato notes while changing ADDsynth or SUBsynth parameters at the same time. Currently I'm trying to figure out how I could make legato work without clicks on the transitions, I already tried one method that didn't really worked, but I think I got another one to try, not sure yet if it's even practical though. -- Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr |
From: adolson <ad...@gm...> - 2006-11-09 17:00:13
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On 11/8/06, Atte Andr=E9 Jensen <att...@gm...> wrote: > Hi > > Since the speed of contributions is somewhat slowing down, I think it's > time to wrap the sounds up and send them to Paul. Just to make it clear > (again) this set will be the sound collection in future releases of zyn! > So we must discuss what layout would be preferable. I can think of two > possibilities: > > 1) Everything is moved into the standard zyn folders. So all the > contributed bass sounds will appear somewhere in the "Bass" bank (which > means that they'll physically be placed in the .../banks/Bass folder. > > 2) We keep them separate with a folder/bank for each contributor. > > Pros of 1): > * Makes it easy to go over all sounds of the same type. > > Pros of 2): > * Makes is easier for the community (us) to keeping the collection > up-to-date. > * Makes is easier for me (or you) to find my (or your) sounds. > * A user might find that he finds, say Will's sounds most suitable for > his music and this way Wills sounds will be easier to locate. > > So please speak up! Which layout would *you* prefer and why? Hey Atte! Firstly, thanks again for your work on this. Alright, I think I like #1. But #2 would be good if there were a way to mark your favorite patches - I guess the tagging idea that was discussed before... This way you could have the benefits of #2, but also have the benefits of the users being able to pick what they like best easily, kind of in a favorites list/bank. Yeah, you could do it several ways; open the patch, then write it again to a different bank. Or save all parameters and have a different synth patch on each channel that you want (up to 16 only though). Or simply memorize what you like. #1 has the benefit to the userbase the most - if it's confusing, then maybe there will be backlash? There are lots of users not on this mailing list, I am sure, so they won't be able to chime in. Either way, I think the important thing is that we do have additional, new sounds! I am grateful for that alone. So organize it however you like. :) Dana > -- > peace, love & harmony > Atte > > http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk > | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job ea= sier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim= o > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat= =3D121642 > _______________________________________________ > Zynaddsubfx-user mailing list > Zyn...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/zynaddsubfx-user > |
From: yawfle <ya...@no...> - 2006-11-08 20:56:39
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On Wednesday 08 November 2006 12:07, Abrolag <ab...@us...> said: > Is there any possibility at a later date of changing Zyn so that the > banks folder can be completely free-form and (say) at start up Zyn > makes a list of ALL instruments which can then be displayed sorted by > any field you like? Maybe someone can kidnap some of the amaroK devs - they seem to have figured it out. ;) I also like the idea of grouping by type of sound, but there are at least a couple of problems with this. First, potentially a large number of sounds are not easily categorized by similarity to traditional instruments, and having a catch-all "synth" category isn't very helpful if you want something with a certain kind of attack or timbre or whatever. Another thing to think about is how the sound collection will be updated between releases of Zyn; if there will be a central repository, there's no problem, but if the only way will be to download updated collections from the creators, then this will get messy if the original banks are arranged otherwise. Just something to think about. :) -- yawfle |
From: Abrolag <ab...@us...> - 2006-11-08 20:07:05
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:03:53 +0100 Atte Andr=E9 Jensen <att...@gm...> wrote: > Hi >=20 > Since the speed of contributions is somewhat slowing down, I think it's=20 > time to wrap the sounds up and send them to Paul. Just to make it clear=20 > (again) this set will be the sound collection in future releases of zyn!= =20 > So we must discuss what layout would be preferable. I can think of two=20 > possibilities: >=20 > 1) Everything is moved into the standard zyn folders. So all the=20 > contributed bass sounds will appear somewhere in the "Bass" bank (which=20 > means that they'll physically be placed in the .../banks/Bass folder. >=20 > 2) We keep them separate with a folder/bank for each contributor. >=20 > Pros of 1): > * Makes it easy to go over all sounds of the same type. >=20 > Pros of 2): > * Makes is easier for the community (us) to keeping the collection=20 > up-to-date. > * Makes is easier for me (or you) to find my (or your) sounds. > * A user might find that he finds, say Will's sounds most suitable for=20 > his music and this way Wills sounds will be easier to locate. >=20 > So please speak up! Which layout would *you* prefer and why? I vote for 1). When I'm looking for a sound I want similar ones together to compare. I don't care who it's from. As a rider, I would however like some way to look at sound designer lists. Is there any possibility at a later date of changing Zyn so that the banks folder can be completely free-form and (say) at start up Zyn makes a list of ALL instruments which can then be displayed sorted by any field you like? --=20 W J G |
From: yawfle <ya...@no...> - 2006-11-08 13:17:39
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On Tuesday 07 November 2006 12:10, Paul N <zyn...@ya...> said: > > So in my opinion it is still not a good replacement for my legato > > implementation, but it may be an interesting additional mode (could > > be called "Bend" or something). > > Yes. you have right. I will not remove your legatto mode, and I think > to add my legatto mode as "bend". Only thing that is need to replace > the buttons (for mono&legatto) with a single mode menu (for > poly,mono,legatto, and bend). I think it would make a useful addition, too. It's effect depends very much on the type of sound patch, and doesn't have the timbral side-effects on sounds where the filter doesn't track the keyboard (such as certain bass sounds). Even on the other types of sounds, it's interesting to be able to alter the timbre of a phrase depending on starting on a high or low note (or grace note). What I missed most while playing with this version was the previous-note memory feature - it seems that this behavior is habit-forming. :) This all seems to be heading towards a very versatile synth! -- yawfle |
From: <att...@gm...> - 2006-11-08 09:03:59
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Hi Since the speed of contributions is somewhat slowing down, I think it's time to wrap the sounds up and send them to Paul. Just to make it clear (again) this set will be the sound collection in future releases of zyn! So we must discuss what layout would be preferable. I can think of two possibilities: 1) Everything is moved into the standard zyn folders. So all the contributed bass sounds will appear somewhere in the "Bass" bank (which means that they'll physically be placed in the .../banks/Bass folder. 2) We keep them separate with a folder/bank for each contributor. Pros of 1): * Makes it easy to go over all sounds of the same type. Pros of 2): * Makes is easier for the community (us) to keeping the collection up-to-date. * Makes is easier for me (or you) to find my (or your) sounds. * A user might find that he finds, say Will's sounds most suitable for his music and this way Wills sounds will be easier to locate. So please speak up! Which layout would *you* prefer and why? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions |
From: <att...@gm...> - 2006-11-08 08:51:52
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Abrolag wrote: > Here is another one to add to the list :) Done... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions |
From: <att...@gm...> - 2006-11-08 08:50:05
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Hartmut Noack wrote: > i have a little drumkit (single instrument with 6 individual sounds) > uploaded: > > http://gnupc.de/~zettberlin/law/patches/zyn-contrib/ > > for that i made up a little demorecording also: > > http://gnupc.de/~zettberlin/law/patches/zyn-contrib/demosounds/ Nice. I especially like the snare! The kit is now added to the collection. > tha patch is somewhat challenging CPU-power, especially if used with the > default cathedral-reverb from Zyn <snip> And the user might not even want that wet a drum sound, so it might not be a problem :-) -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quintet: http://www.anagrammer.dk | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions |
From: Gerald F. <ger...@fr...> - 2006-11-08 00:05:02
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Paul N wrote: > No. Your legato mode is very good. But somehow click should be removed. I > didn't look at the cause of the clicks yet. :) Yea those clicks are annoying, as I understand it that does that because the sound wave changes abruptly without any transition, it can most easily be seen using the default sine instruments and looking at the wave output in a sound file editor. Recently I tried to find a way to smooth out the transitions, I kinda came up with something half working in the noteout(...) functions that is activated in a similar way as the "Punch" stuff, that seems to give a small improvement on SUB and PAD synths (I have a difficulty on ADsynth). But even if I manage to finish that it would not be a real solution to legato clicks, only a little improvement hack. I guess one way of making the transition really smooth would be to (quickly) fade the old sound wave with the new, but I guess that would require that, at least for the fading duration, both the old and the new sound waves be generated at the same time, and that sounds not easy to do. -- Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr |
From: Abrolag <ab...@us...> - 2006-11-07 23:09:25
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:16:14 +0100 Atte Andr=E9 Jensen <att...@gm...> wrote: > Benjamin Flaming wrote: >=20 > > I've finally managed to find 6 of my patches that seemed useful enough = to=20 > > submit to the collection.=20 >=20 > Thanks, they will be included, check >=20 > http://atte.dk/sounds/contributed_patches.html >=20 Here is another one to add to the list :) It is actually Paul's Cathedral Organ2 but with chorus and reverb added. It now sounds like what is often referred to as the 'Great Organ' in a full size multi-keyboard instrument, and is very reminiscent of the stops settings for the opening bars of Bach's Toccata & Fugue in Dm I really don't know why Paul had no reverb on a cathedral organ! --=20 W J G |
From: Abrolag <ab...@us...> - 2006-11-07 22:59:49
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:34:28 +0100 Frieder B=FCrzele <lin...@ar...> wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've done patches to ease the conversions of old ins_zyn instrument=20 > format to xiz format. >=20 > The patches ONLY apply to ZynAddSubFX-2.0.0_pre2.tar.bz2 because > this is the last version with support for both formats >=20 > To use the patches as gentoo proaudio overlay user: > emerge zynaddsubfx-converter >=20 >=20 >=20 > Greetz Frieder >=20 > btw. > I've converted the instruments from > http://www.linuxuse.de/snd/gnusounds/patches/zynde-sep04.tar.gz >=20 > fetch them here: > http://evermind.ev.funpic.de/zynde-sep04_converted_xiz.tar.bz2 Thanks for this work. --=20 W J G |
From: Paul N <zyn...@ya...> - 2006-11-07 20:11:00
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Hi. --- Gerald Folcher <ger...@fr...> wrote: > Paul N wrote: > Here's my unbiased (I swear ;) ) opinion on your implementation: > > It seems to change the sound in the same way as the pitch wheel do, the > problem with that is the more the new note is away from the original the > less it will sound good. Here's something to do to hear why it can be bad: > > 1. Load the standard bank instrument Synth/Phased Pad 1 > 2. Press and hold C2, then press C6, notice how C6 sounds. Release. > 3. Now press C6 as a new note and notice how it sounds different. > 4. Try the reverse: hold C6 then press C2, release, then press C2 alone, > it sounds different. > > So in my opinion it is still not a good replacement for my legato > implementation, but it may be an interesting additional mode (could be > called "Bend" or something). > Yes. you have right. I will not remove your legatto mode, and I think to add my legatto mode as "bend". Only thing that is need to replace the buttons (for mono&legatto) with a single mode menu (for poly,mono,legatto, and bend). > I must say though that I'm pleased that you tried it, and in fact now I > have a little hope that you'll give a shot at doing a Legato mode that > does the same as mine but minus the clicks :) > No. Your legato mode is very good. But somehow click should be removed. I didn't look at the cause of the clicks yet. :) Paul ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for? http://www.netflix.com/Signup?mqso=80010030 |