Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Hi Bill,

I did actually look at your directory listing, and it looked allright,
i.e. the files are in the right locations.

I do not understand why the installer would not install /opt, and i do
not understand how the executable could run at all without the
libraries found under /opt. Right now I'm trying to build gtk without
x11, so my setup is a bit of a mess, but I hope I'll get around to
trying to reproduce your situation over the holiday.
Sorry that it doesn't seem to work; unfortunately I haven't got any
feedback from anybody else.
happy Thanksgiving,

  Stefan

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Matt Sephton <matt.sephton@gm...>]

Not had a chance to try this yet, but will do soon

Thanks for your efforts.

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@...> wrote:
> Dear Bill and Matt,
>
> could you please try the PowerPC(+Intel) image I just put into the
> 4.0.1 release?
> The dmg file is 23 MB and contains a readme file and an OS X package.
> The package installs into /opt/local; it needs a total of 66 MB.
>
>  I think it should just work, but there could always be an issue, for
> example with that fontsconfig problem. If one needs to run a 'sudo
> fc-cache' then it would be good to include that in the instructions,
> before announcing it on the Yahoo list. So, could you please test it?
> best regards,
>
>  Stefan
>
> PS: It's my understanding that from the user side there's really not
> that much difference between 4.0.1 and 4.0.2.
>

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@ya...>]

If you'll look back at the emails I sent on 11/21 it describes the situation
after installation.

Briefly, I can't get the install to work when I attempt it from my "normal"
admin-enabled login.  I must install it from my "original" login set up
when I originally received the MacBook.  The user-name is "William Brown"
and the files installed by the xtrkcad installer are shown as being owned
by "root."  This is shown by the partial directory listing I sent Friday
(11-21) evening.  Note that the param files are in a sub-directory of the
xtrkcad folder in Applications.

When I attempt to start xtrkcad in my "normal" login  I get the error
messages which I'm enclosing below.




Note that these are only the first four - it goes on for a long time.

Again - note that the params files do not install in
      Users/williambrown/Documents/XtrkCAD/
but are in
      Applications/Xtrkcad/share

Again I refer you to the directory listing mentioned above, and repeat;
no /opt folder exists on my machine.  The installer did not create and/or
populate it.  And xtrkcad does not seem to be looking for it.

I hope this helps.

>Hi Bill,
>
>So, when it fails as a normal user, how does it fail? I'm asking
>because it could have different reasons:
>a) a library is missing; it would say something like 'can't find file
>/opt/local/somewhere/gtk_blabla.2.0.somenumber.dylib'
>b) it can't find any of its setup files in
>/Applications/xtrkcad/share/xtrkcad/: there would be a message to that
>regard,
>the pop-up 'tip of the day' window would show a complaint, things like that;
>c) it starts up, displays the 'tip of the day' window, but then
>complains for every single .xtp file.
>
>I don't think (but hey, I could be wrong) there is a case where it
>would want to touch anything in the user directory of the user that
>installed it.
>
>In case a) something went wrong with installing libraries under /opt/local;
>in b) there is something wrong with the environment variable
>XTRKCADLIB (like, it exists and points somewhere wrong),
>and in c) it probably found a working directory under your user
>account (~/.xtrkcad) with an xtrkcad.rc file that has pointers for a
>different install saved.
>
>If it's a), the install has to be repeated. b), simply remove that
>variable, and c), if you don't want to blow away your xtrkcad.rc file,
>you have to click 'ok' for every single .xtp file complaint until its
>done complaining. Then it should work, but you have to tell it where
>the parameter files are.
>
>Please let me know if one of these helps.
>cheers,
>
>   Stefan
>
>PS: It's my understanding that logging in as 'root' is really not
>necessary under OS X, and is actually deprecated, and disabled by
>default. In any case, the install of either of the OS X xtrkcad
>packages does not require you to be logged in as root; it does require
>a privileged user account though (your normal user account that can do
>administrative tasks).

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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Hi Bill,

So, when it fails as a normal user, how does it fail? I'm asking
because it could have different reasons:
a) a library is missing; it would say something like 'can't find file
/opt/local/somewhere/gtk_blabla.2.0.somenumber.dylib'
b) it can't find any of its setup files in
/Applications/xtrkcad/share/xtrkcad/: there would be a message to that
regard,
the pop-up 'tip of the day' window would show a complaint, things like that;
c) it starts up, displays the 'tip of the day' window, but then
complains for every single .xtp file.

I don't think (but hey, I could be wrong) there is a case where it
would want to touch anything in the user directory of the user that
installed it.

In case a) something went wrong with installing libraries under /opt/local;
in b) there is something wrong with the environment variable
XTRKCADLIB (like, it exists and points somewhere wrong),
and in c) it probably found a working directory under your user
account (~/.xtrkcad) with an xtrkcad.rc file that has pointers for a
different install saved.

If it's a), the install has to be repeated. b), simply remove that
variable, and c), if you don't want to blow away your xtrkcad.rc file,
you have to click 'ok' for every single .xtp file complaint until its
done complaining. Then it should work, but you have to tell it where
the parameter files are.

Please let me know if one of these helps.
cheers,

  Stefan

PS: It's my understanding that logging in as 'root' is really not
necessary under OS X, and is actually deprecated, and disabled by
default. In any case, the install of either of the OS X xtrkcad
packages does not require you to be logged in as root; it does require
a privileged user account though (your normal user account that can do
administrative tasks).

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@ya...>]

>Hi Bill,
>
>the universal binary is this one here:
>http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xtrkcad-fork/XTrkCAD_401.dmg
>
>cheers,
>
>   Stefan

Haven't tried it on the iBook yet - got it going on the MacBook.  Like the
other version I installed it as root.  I can use it as root, but cannot get
it to run under my "normal" login.  No surprise there, I think.

It seems to think that every user is root, which the OS doesn't agree with.
It looks for files in my root user directory, which it isn't allowed to see
or touch, apparently.

I'll try to give it a "go" on the ibook tomorrow and report back.  It should
be interesting if it runs.  The older version of OS-X doesn't seem to have as
strong a feeling of file ownership IRC.  We'll see.
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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Hi Bill,

the universal binary is this one here:
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xtrkcad-fork/XTrkCAD_401.dmg

cheers,

  Stefan

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@ya...>]

>Hi Bill,
>
>This sounds like it is the 410b1 Intel only install, not the PowerPC 
>401. For some reason I thought you wanted the PowerPC binary?
>If it's the 410b1 intel, then it would go indeed into /Applications/
>xtrkcad, but a few libraries should also go into /opt/local, 
>regardless of whether you had that directory before or not.
>It (the package installer) shouldn't really give you any choice, and 
>it should work whether you had some (or a lot) of macports installed 
>or not.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Stefan

OK - unfortunately I must have deleted the message telling me which download
to get from where, so I grabbed to OSX download from sourceforge. I'll be
happy to blow away what I have and download the other binary if you (re)tell
me where to get it.  Assuming there is a universal binary.

If not, I can try the powerPC binary on my iBook which I think is running
the latest version of 10.3 - 10.3.11 IIRC.  It's an 800 Mhz machine, so
that's the last upgrade that Apple recommends.

In any case, there's no /opt to be found on the MacBook..

>
>PS: so you are or were at the Rad Lab? I've only been there once; I 
>got stranded at Fermilab...

I retired from LBNL (aka lrl, lbl, etc) at the end of 2001 after 33 years.
The project I worked on for the last several years was the Advanced Light
Source control system.  For the most part, I was the grunt they kept
chained in a dark corner who did device drivers and other relatively
low level bits close to the hardware.  I really enjoyed the work for the
most part and retired because of the commute from Concord to Berzerkley.
The fact that retiring a little early really didn't change my pension by
much was also a consideration.

>
>PPS: switching between the two xtrkcad installations makes the program 
>lose all the param files => lots of pop-up complaints. Once you get
>through those, it works.

I'll just blow away all of the xtrkcad stuff and start from square one.


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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Stefan Gruenendahl <stefan.gruenendahl@gm...>]

Hi Bill,

This sounds like it is the 410b1 Intel only install, not the PowerPC  
401. For some reason I thought you wanted the PowerPC binary?
If it's the 410b1 intel, then it would go indeed into /Applications/ 
xtrkcad, but a few libraries should also go into /opt/local,  
regardless of whether you had that directory before or not.
It (the package installer) shouldn't really give you any choice, and  
it should work whether you had some (or a lot) of macports installed  
or not.

Cheers,

Stefan

PS: so you are or were at the Rad Lab? I've only been there once; I  
got stranded at Fermilab...

PPS: switching between the two xtrkcad installations makes the program  
lose all the param files => lots of pop-up complaints. Once you get  
through those, it works.

On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@...>  
wrote:

>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. That's disconcerting that the install only
>> works for one user. It's supposed to ask for your password and then
>> install into /opt, which should be readable by anyone. User-specific
>> files should then be created at first startup in each users'
>> directory. I'll have another look at file protections etc. on my
>> machine.
>> I had really hoped that the package install process wouldn't leave  
>> any
>> options for variations and things to go wrong....
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Stefan
>
> There was-is no /opt on my drive, which is what prompted my previous  
> question.
>
> The xtrkcad folder installed in my "Applications" directory.  Inside  
> that
> that folder are the bin and share folders.  bin contains xtrkcad  
> while share
> contains xtrkcad which contains a bunch of stuff.  Duh(slapping  
> forehead)!
>
> This should make "wot hoppened" perfectly clear.
>
> william-browns-macbook:xtrkcad Bill$ pwd
> /Applications/xtrkcad
> william-browns-macbook:xtrkcad Bill$ ls -l -R
> total 0
> drwxrwxr-x  3 root  admin  102 Nov 21 11:23 bin/
> drwxrwxr-x  4 root  admin  136 Nov 21 11:53 share/
>
> ./bin:
> total 2368
> -rwxrwxr-x  1 root  admin  1209736 Oct  9 20:29 xtrkcad*
>
> ./share:
> total 0
> drwxrwxr-x  15 root  admin  510 Nov 21 11:53 xtrkcad/
>
> ./share/xtrkcad:
> total 416
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  18009 Dec  7  2005 COPYING
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin   5359 Nov  6 07:44 Readme.txt
> drwxrwxr-x   49 root  admin   1666 Nov 21 11:23 demos/
> drwxrwxr-x   18 root  admin    612 Nov 21 11:23 examples/
> drwxrwxr-x  267 root  admin   9078 Nov 21 11:23 html/
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  97974 Sep 15  2007 logo.bmp
> drwxrwxr-x   86 root  admin   2924 Nov 21 11:23 params/
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin    510 Dec  7  2005 xtrkcad.bug
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  13207 Dec  7  2005 xtrkcad.enh
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  36060 Dec  7  2005 xtrkcad.fix
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  16133 Jan 27  2008 xtrkcad.tip
> -rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin   9066 Dec 28  2007 xtrkcad.xtq
>
> ./share/xtrkcad/demos:
> total 616
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  10832 Dec  7  2005 dmadjend.xtr
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   1599 Dec  7  2005 dmbench.xtr
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   2627 Dec  7  2005 dmcancel.xtr
>
> [  and on ad on ad infinitum et ad nausium  ]  Well, almost.
>
> Mayhaps the absence of macports has something to do with what the  
> installer
> did.  In both of my attempts, i.e. as a user with admin privileges  
> and as
> root the install happened in "Applications."
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> -- 
>
>
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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@ya...>]

>Hi Bill,
>
>Thanks for the feedback. That's disconcerting that the install only 
>works for one user. It's supposed to ask for your password and then 
>install into /opt, which should be readable by anyone. User-specific 
>files should then be created at first startup in each users' 
>directory. I'll have another look at file protections etc. on my 
>machine.
>I had really hoped that the package install process wouldn't leave any 
>options for variations and things to go wrong....
>Cheers,
>
>Stefan

There was-is no /opt on my drive, which is what prompted my previous question.

The xtrkcad folder installed in my "Applications" directory.  Inside that
that folder are the bin and share folders.  bin contains xtrkcad while share
contains xtrkcad which contains a bunch of stuff.  Duh(slapping forehead)!

This should make "wot hoppened" perfectly clear.

william-browns-macbook:xtrkcad Bill$ pwd
/Applications/xtrkcad
william-browns-macbook:xtrkcad Bill$ ls -l -R
total 0
drwxrwxr-x  3 root  admin  102 Nov 21 11:23 bin/
drwxrwxr-x  4 root  admin  136 Nov 21 11:53 share/

./bin:
total 2368
-rwxrwxr-x  1 root  admin  1209736 Oct  9 20:29 xtrkcad*

./share:
total 0
drwxrwxr-x  15 root  admin  510 Nov 21 11:53 xtrkcad/

./share/xtrkcad:
total 416
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  18009 Dec  7  2005 COPYING
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin   5359 Nov  6 07:44 Readme.txt
drwxrwxr-x   49 root  admin   1666 Nov 21 11:23 demos/
drwxrwxr-x   18 root  admin    612 Nov 21 11:23 examples/
drwxrwxr-x  267 root  admin   9078 Nov 21 11:23 html/
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  97974 Sep 15  2007 logo.bmp
drwxrwxr-x   86 root  admin   2924 Nov 21 11:23 params/
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin    510 Dec  7  2005 xtrkcad.bug
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  13207 Dec  7  2005 xtrkcad.enh
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  36060 Dec  7  2005 xtrkcad.fix
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin  16133 Jan 27  2008 xtrkcad.tip
-rw-rw-r--    1 root  admin   9066 Dec 28  2007 xtrkcad.xtq

./share/xtrkcad/demos:
total 616
-rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin  10832 Dec  7  2005 dmadjend.xtr
-rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   1599 Dec  7  2005 dmbench.xtr
-rw-rw-r--  1 root  admin   2627 Dec  7  2005 dmcancel.xtr

[  and on ad on ad infinitum et ad nausium  ]  Well, almost.

Mayhaps the absence of macports has something to do with what the installer
did.  In both of my attempts, i.e. as a user with admin privileges and as
root the install happened in "Applications."

Hope this helps!

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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Stefan Gruenendahl <stefan.gruenendahl@gm...>]

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the feedback. That's disconcerting that the install only  
works for one user. It's supposed to ask for your password and then  
install into /opt, which should be readable by anyone. User-specific  
files should then be created at first startup in each users'  
directory. I'll have another look at file protections etc. on my  
machine.
I had really hoped that the package install process wouldn't leave any  
options for variations and things to go wrong....
Cheers,

Stefan



On Nov 21, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@...>  
wrote:

>> Dear all, as announced in the 'cross-compiling' thread the OS X
>> binaries have been posted to 4.0.1 (PPC+Intel) and 4.0.2 (Intel  
>> only).
>> Please give them a try and let me know what doesn't work. cheers,
>> Stefan
>
> Right now I'm just trying to get it working on my MacBook.  The  
> problem
> I've run into is that I can only run the program is I'm logged in as  
> the
> "original user"; that is the login I used when initially setting up  
> the
> fresh-out-of-the-box machine.
>
> The account I normally use has admin privileges, and I have opened the
> "original users" Documents folder to all "admin users.  At this  
> point it
> files it expects to find there.
>
> I've tried to install it from my normal account, but there's similar  
> problems
> with that approach also.
>
> There's obviously things I don't understand about installation.  But
> I'mstill looking...
> -- 
>
>
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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@ya...>]

>Dear all, as announced in the 'cross-compiling' thread the OS X
>binaries have been posted to 4.0.1 (PPC+Intel) and 4.0.2 (Intel only).
>Please give them a try and let me know what doesn't work. cheers,
>Stefan

Right now I'm just trying to get it working on my MacBook.  The problem
I've run into is that I can only run the program is I'm logged in as the
"original user"; that is the login I used when initially setting up the
fresh-out-of-the-box machine.

The account I normally use has admin privileges, and I have opened the
"original users" Documents folder to all "admin users.  At this point it
files it expects to find there.

I've tried to install it from my normal account, but there's similar problems
with that approach also.

There's obviously things I don't understand about installation.  But 
I'mstill looking...
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[Xtrkcad-fork-developers] OS X disk images posted

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Dear all, as announced in the 'cross-compiling' thread the OS X
binaries have been posted to 4.0.1 (PPC+Intel) and 4.0.2 (Intel only).
Please give them a try and let me know what doesn't work. cheers,
Stefan

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Dear Bill and Matt,

could you please try the PowerPC(+Intel) image I just put into the
4.0.1 release?
The dmg file is 23 MB and contains a readme file and an OS X package.
The package installs into /opt/local; it needs a total of 66 MB.

 I think it should just work, but there could always be an issue, for
example with that fontsconfig problem. If one needs to run a 'sudo
fc-cache' then it would be good to include that in the instructions,
before announcing it on the Yahoo list. So, could you please test it?
best regards,

  Stefan

PS: It's my understanding that from the user side there's really not
that much difference between 4.0.1 and 4.0.2.

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Martin Fischer <martin_fischer@vr...>]

Stefann,

yes putting the packages on the Sourceforge download area would be 
highly welcomed.

Regards
Martin

On 14.11.2008 05:35 Stefan Grünendahl wrote:
> Ok, I made it into a dmg. I tried to make it relocatable, but the
> xtrkcadd executable really expects the libraries in /opt/local/lib,
> so /opt is where it goes.
> The next step should be for somebody with a PowerPC to test it. Martin
> and/or Jonathan, would it be ok to stage it here (xtrkcad-fork)?
> cheers,

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Timothy M. Shead <tshead@k-...>]

Steve DeCaux wrote:

> I still have a problem with printing table edges from my build, does 
> anyone else with an osx build get big fat lines for table edges ? 

I've noticed this on all platforms, the lines are defaulting to a
ridiculous size (20 points, I think), but can be modified to something
more sensible.  Fixing this would be a good task for someone getting
started with the project.

> regarding a relocatable package, I got a cmake setup working with a lot 
> of help from Tim's work (I included all of the bits in an email some 
> time ago) that is not yet perfect, in that the pango libs must exist 
> under the /opt/local/lib path, but the rest of /opt/local/ can be 
> removed.

Having multiple competing binaries floating-around benefits no-one.  I
have taken a slow, deliberate approach to creating a packaging process
that's automated and reproducible. If anyone is frustrated with my pace,
at least work within the build process so your efforts aren't wasted.  See

http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake:CPackPackageGenerators#Bundle_.28OSX_only.29

for instructions on how to use the bundle generator in CMake.

Cheers,
Tim

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Dear all, I have staged two xtrkcad OS X packages in
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=244231&package_id=297721

4.1.0b1 is for intel only, created from the CVS head version as of a
few weeks ago,

4.0.1 is merely a repackaging of Derrick's universal (i86 + ppc) tar
file (modulo inclusion of a fonts subdir and of the 4.0.2 parameter
files).

I hope that somebody will find time to test them, and that the group
admins will then include them in the official download area
(or give me permission to do so).
best regards,

   Stefan

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Steve DeCaux <steve@da...>]

Hi Gents,

in reply to a couple of issues Stefan has raised, I would like to add my 
2 bob's worth....

regarding macports - I tried quite a number of variations to get a good 
macports install (not just for Xtrkcad),  and ended up doing a 
step-by-step install to resolve all dependencies and get a sweet result 
(for Leopard 10.5.3 at the time). The order I used was pkgconfig, glib2, 
fontconfig, cairo, xft2, pango, gtk2, gail, libgtkhtml then cmake. The 
biggest differences in results seemed to stem from installing pkgconfig 
first, and xft2 before pango.

regarding a relocatable package, I got a cmake setup working with a lot 
of help from Tim's work (I included all of the bits in an email some 
time ago) that is not yet perfect, in that the pango libs must exist 
under the /opt/local/lib path, but the rest of /opt/local/ can be 
removed. I haven't got back to working on the pango issue yet, but I 
think it might be in a .plist that macports installs somewhere (pango 
seems to ignore any environment settings).

I still have a problem with printing table edges from my build, does 
anyone else with an osx build get big fat lines for table edges ? 
Structures, track etc. all print fine.

Regards
Steve De Caux


Stefan Grünendahl wrote:
> Ok, I made it into a dmg. I tried to make it relocatable, but the
> xtrkcadd executable really expects the libraries in /opt/local/lib,
> so /opt is where it goes.
> The next step should be for somebody with a PowerPC to test it. Martin
> and/or Jonathan, would it be ok to stage it here (xtrkcad-fork)?
> cheers,
>
>   Stefan
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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Ok, I made it into a dmg. I tried to make it relocatable, but the
xtrkcadd executable really expects the libraries in /opt/local/lib,
so /opt is where it goes.
The next step should be for somebody with a PowerPC to test it. Martin
and/or Jonathan, would it be ok to stage it here (xtrkcad-fork)?
cheers,

  Stefan

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Derrick Brashear <shadow@de...>]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Stefan Grünendahl
<stefan.gruenendahl@...> wrote:
> Another update: on my lunch break I found Derrick J Brashear's 4.0.1
> tar file with on OS X universal binary.

I think I just lipo'd 2 binaries (and 2 sets of libraries) together.

> (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XTrkCad/message/2412 )
> After adding a /opt/local/fonts/fonts.conf file it seems it works. All
> I can check is the intel part, of course. (Or is there a way to force
> a Rosetta execution under 10.4.11?) Is there any reason why this was
> never packaged and added to the 4.0.1 release? If nobody objects, then
> I'd propose to make it into a dmg and add it, so that the PPC people
> that are not so much into compiling and linking have at least
> something. The .xtc files seem to be backward compatible between
> 4.1.0b1 and 4.0.1 .
>
> Bill, you are actually part of that yahoo group email exchange with
> Derrick. From the old emails I glean that there are some reservations
> installing stuff into /opt. Why? It's not part of OS X per se, but
> rather some macports special location (just like /sw is the Fink
> special directory). So far I've had no qualms trashing (or rather,
> moving aside and then remaking anew) my /opt tree, and my macbook is
> still working...
> Should one try to group all the libraries and files needed for xtrkcad
> into its /Application subdirectory? I was working under the assumption
> that anybody who would install from the .dmg would not have a
> full-blown macports environment, and thus not care about /opt. (Of
> course I was careful to specify in the notes accompanying the intel
> 4.1.0b1 image which directories things get written to.)  I would
> really appreciate others' comments and opinions on this.
> cheers,

You're welcome to do what you want with it. Packaging was sort of a
pain I didn't have time to cope with then.

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan.gruenendahl@gm...>]

Another update: on my lunch break I found Derrick J Brashear's 4.0.1
tar file with on OS X universal binary.
(see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XTrkCad/message/2412 )
After adding a /opt/local/fonts/fonts.conf file it seems it works. All
I can check is the intel part, of course. (Or is there a way to force
a Rosetta execution under 10.4.11?) Is there any reason why this was
never packaged and added to the 4.0.1 release? If nobody objects, then
I'd propose to make it into a dmg and add it, so that the PPC people
that are not so much into compiling and linking have at least
something. The .xtc files seem to be backward compatible between
4.1.0b1 and 4.0.1 .

Bill, you are actually part of that yahoo group email exchange with
Derrick. From the old emails I glean that there are some reservations
installing stuff into /opt. Why? It's not part of OS X per se, but
rather some macports special location (just like /sw is the Fink
special directory). So far I've had no qualms trashing (or rather,
moving aside and then remaking anew) my /opt tree, and my macbook is
still working...
Should one try to group all the libraries and files needed for xtrkcad
into its /Application subdirectory? I was working under the assumption
that anybody who would install from the .dmg would not have a
full-blown macports environment, and thus not care about /opt. (Of
course I was careful to specify in the notes accompanying the intel
4.1.0b1 image which directories things get written to.)  I would
really appreciate others' comments and opinions on this.
cheers,

  Stefan


cc: Derrick on yahoo

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

It seems those among us who haven't succeeded at building xtrkcad yet
are more motivated to help with the PPC build than those who have a
working version... go figure :-)

Seriously, if I understand it correctly, Tim made the OS X port on a
G4 PPC about a year ago, so it ought to work just following his
'cmakebuild' page on the wiki. (Please correct me if I'm attributing
things wrongly here.) Matt mentioned (off-list) that he gets stuck
already at the GTK2 install step under macports.
Question (to Tim): is there anything besides installing from the
macports dmg, then doing a 'sudo port selfupdate' and the three 'sudo
port install GTK2/libgtkhtml/gnome-icon-theme' that needs to be done
on a PPC?
BTW, if I remember correctly, I had to repeat the install command for
at least one of the three packages on my intel mac; there seems to be
some order or self-dependency problem. But the second time the install
would finish successfully.

Since I am already asking questions of Tim: Tim, you integrated a
packagebuilder (which I haven't tried yet). Will that produce one
self-contained executable, or does one still end up with a main
executable and several dylibs? Is there a way to force the linker to
make one single static (if that's the right word) image? This is
probably a really basic question, but I don't know the answer in the
macports/cmake environment of xtrkcad.

To make my copy of the intel OS X package I just used the
packagebuilder that comes with Xcode, which is probably the most
inelegant of all possible ways. (It seems cmake also has a 'dmg'
option that should create a disk image of an OS X package.) Has
anybody tried one of the other options?
Ok, enough questions for now...
cheers,

  Stefan

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Bill Brown <gearedloco2001@ya...>]

>Update: apparently it's not completely straightforward to
>cross-compile using macports....
>http://www.nabble.com/Chosing-the-C-and-C%2B%2B-compilers-to20336531.html#a20368284
>
>I don't know who besides Tim has a PowerPC Mac; does anybody feel like
>making a pre-built ppc image available?
>cheers,
>
>   Stefan

I've got access to an 800MHz iBook.  There'll be quite a learning curve
associated with my trying to do a build.  I haven't even got macports
installed on either of my systems.  The iBook runs 5.3.11 - that's about
as good as it gets on that CPU.

Right now my DSL is down (I'm using a neighbors router/DSL 'cause she
doesn't have it locked down!) and I'm not having a lot of luck getting
AT&T to fix it.  I've spent 2 hours on "hold" this evening and have
made zero progress.  So downloading a lot of big files is out for the
time being.

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Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Matt Sephton <matt.sephton@gm...>]

I've tried compiling on PPC, but hot similar/same errors.

So, I'd be happy to do it bug would need detailed instruction.

Best,
matt

On 13 Nov 2008, at 00:29, "Stefan Grünendahl" <stefan.gruenendahl@... 
m> wrote:

> Update: apparently it's not completely straightforward to
> cross-compile using macports....
> http://www.nabble.com/Chosing-the-C-and-C%2B%2B-compilers-to20336531.html#a20368284
>
> I don't know who besides Tim has a PowerPC Mac; does anybody feel like
> making a pre-built ppc image available?
> cheers,
>
>  Stefan
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@... 
> > wrote:
>> Dear Developers,
>>
>> This is a question about compiling XTrkCAD under OS X for the  
>> PowerPC:
>> Does anybody know how to cross-compile under OS X using macports
>> libraries, specifically with the xtrkcad prerequisites GTK2,
>> libgtkhtml and gnome-icon-theme? I have an Intel Mac, but I would  
>> like
>> to build a universal image, or even just a PowerPC executable.
>> (Building the intel binary worked fine.)
>> I have tried installing with the '+universal' switch
>> (e.g. sudo port install GTK2 +universe),
>> but building xtrkcad always fails with complaints about architecture
>> mismatches in a bunch of
>> dylibs.
>> For example:
>> Linking C executable xtrkcad
>> /usr/bin/ld: warning /opt/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.dylib cputype (7,
>> architecture i386) does not match cputype (18) for specified -arch
>> flag: ppc (file not loaded)
>>
>> (Actually, now that I completely uninstalled macports, the install of
>> GTK2 +universal fails with an error:
>> configure: WARNING: *** TIFF loader will not be built (TIFF library
>> not found) ***
>> configure: error:
>> *** Checks for TIFF loader failed. You can build without it by  
>> passing
>> *** --without-libtiff to configure but some programs using GTK+ may
>> *** not work properly
>>
>> So maybe I didn't actually succeed in installing the universal  
>> variant before.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Any hints/pointers/manuals would be appreciated.
>> Alternatively, is there a way to get hold of prebuilt dylibs for PPC?
>> Unfortunately it seems a whole bunch of them
>> are needed...
>>
>> If it turns out that cross-compiling is not possible, then somebody
>> else who actually has a PowerPC Mac will need to build the PPC binary
>> + libs.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Stefan
>>

Re: [Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan.gruenendahl@gm...>]

Update: apparently it's not completely straightforward to
cross-compile using macports....
http://www.nabble.com/Chosing-the-C-and-C%2B%2B-compilers-to20336531.html#a20368284

I don't know who besides Tim has a PowerPC Mac; does anybody feel like
making a pre-built ppc image available?
cheers,

  Stefan

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@...> wrote:
> Dear Developers,
>
> This is a question about compiling XTrkCAD under OS X for the PowerPC:
> Does anybody know how to cross-compile under OS X using macports
> libraries, specifically with the xtrkcad prerequisites GTK2,
> libgtkhtml and gnome-icon-theme? I have an Intel Mac, but I would like
> to build a universal image, or even just a PowerPC executable.
> (Building the intel binary worked fine.)
> I have tried installing with the '+universal' switch
> (e.g. sudo port install GTK2 +universe),
> but building xtrkcad always fails with complaints about architecture
> mismatches in a bunch of
> dylibs.
> For example:
> Linking C executable xtrkcad
> /usr/bin/ld: warning /opt/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.dylib cputype (7,
> architecture i386) does not match cputype (18) for specified -arch
> flag: ppc (file not loaded)
>
> (Actually, now that I completely uninstalled macports, the install of
> GTK2 +universal fails with an error:
> configure: WARNING: *** TIFF loader will not be built (TIFF library
> not found) ***
> configure: error:
> *** Checks for TIFF loader failed. You can build without it by passing
> *** --without-libtiff to configure but some programs using GTK+ may
> *** not work properly
>
> So maybe I didn't actually succeed in installing the universal variant before.)
>
>
>
> Any hints/pointers/manuals would be appreciated.
> Alternatively, is there a way to get hold of prebuilt dylibs for PPC?
> Unfortunately it seems a whole bunch of them
> are needed...
>
> If it turns out that cross-compiling is not possible, then somebody
> else who actually has a PowerPC Mac will need to build the PPC binary
> + libs.
>
> cheers,
>
>  Stefan
>

[Xtrkcad-fork-developers] cross-compiling under OS X for PowerPC

[Stefan Grünendahl <stefan@fn...>]

Dear Developers,

This is a question about compiling XTrkCAD under OS X for the PowerPC:
Does anybody know how to cross-compile under OS X using macports
libraries, specifically with the xtrkcad prerequisites GTK2,
libgtkhtml and gnome-icon-theme? I have an Intel Mac, but I would like
to build a universal image, or even just a PowerPC executable.
(Building the intel binary worked fine.)
I have tried installing with the '+universal' switch
(e.g. sudo port install GTK2 +universe),
but building xtrkcad always fails with complaints about architecture
mismatches in a bunch of
dylibs.
For example:
Linking C executable xtrkcad
/usr/bin/ld: warning /opt/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.dylib cputype (7,
architecture i386) does not match cputype (18) for specified -arch
flag: ppc (file not loaded)

(Actually, now that I completely uninstalled macports, the install of
GTK2 +universal fails with an error:
configure: WARNING: *** TIFF loader will not be built (TIFF library
not found) ***
configure: error:
*** Checks for TIFF loader failed. You can build without it by passing
*** --without-libtiff to configure but some programs using GTK+ may
*** not work properly

So maybe I didn't actually succeed in installing the universal variant before.)



Any hints/pointers/manuals would be appreciated.
Alternatively, is there a way to get hold of prebuilt dylibs for PPC?
Unfortunately it seems a whole bunch of them
are needed...

If it turns out that cross-compiling is not possible, then somebody
else who actually has a PowerPC Mac will need to build the PPC binary
+ libs.

cheers,

  Stefan