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[xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Adam B. <co...@di...>]

Just wondering what the status here is. It seems like we've all been 
pretty busy lately and it might be time to regroup and see what we're 
looking at again.

Let's try and keep the ball rolling...

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Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Jesse W. <jwa...@sp...>]

yeh, i've been very busy.  don't worry.  i'm still here.  i just finished
my last final, and i graduate on saturday.  so i'll have plenty of time to
work on libsrcg soon =).  especially since i don't have a job yet, hehe.

-jesse

> Just wondering what the status here is. It seems like we've all been
> pretty busy lately and it might be time to regroup and see what we're
> looking at again.
>
> Let's try and keep the ball rolling...
>
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Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Jesse W. <jwa...@sp...>]

Hey guys,

I'm not sure what you guys have been doing witht he project.  I do have
something of an announcement to make, though.  

I've written a bit of C code for the project, as well as all the
autoconf files.  There's some base code, and a bit of xml parsing code. 
However, I have recently decided to make a huge change.  Instead of
writing the lib in C, I have decided that python would better serve my
(our?) purposes.

Here's my reasoning:  Python offers pretty much every thing we wanted to
begin with.  We can use XML parser libs and sqlite (among other
things).  It also gives us a little more freedom and opportunities.  For
example, I considered using dynamic modules for the different creation
systems.  Since python is interpreted, we can have different python
modules that are already dynamic simply by being in different files or
objects.  Python also offers really nice OOP with some interesting
abilities.  Python is pretty terse and simple. It's almost like writing
pseudo code.  It works on every desktop computing platform with (most
likely) no changes to the source:  Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, *BSD,
countless other implementations.  

I'm still learning python, but I've already started to work on the new
srcg.  It will still be something like a lib.  I'm abstracting rules and
every thing away from a GUI.  However, I am also writing a GUI component
in pygtk as a reference/example/full client.  

I need to know if this is moving away from your visions or if it is in
line with what you guys want.  If it is moving too far away, I do not
mind branching off into a new project.  If not, I'd be delighted to stay
aboard.  And in either case, I hope that we can still swap information,
ideas, and code.  You guys can have all the previous C code I wrote if
you'd like.  It's nothing great or fancy.

I'll be on IRC when I can.  I have recently graduated, but I have not
found a CS job yet.  I'm currently working night audit at a hotel.  I'd
probably be more likely to see Max online than Adam at my current hours
=).  

So now you know where I'm going, and that I'm certaintly not done with
this project, nor have I given up, nor is this notice of me leaving this
particular project.  I'd just like to know what you guys think, if
you're willing to go in the same direction, and even if you aren't: can
you use me in some capacity for the direction you would like to go?

Thanks guys.

Jesse 

On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 16:36, Adam Brown wrote:
> Just wondering what the status here is. It seems like we've all been 
> pretty busy lately and it might be time to regroup and see what we're 
> looking at again.
> 
> Let's try and keep the ball rolling...
> 
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> Adam Brown
> co...@di...
> 
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Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Max N. <max...@ya...>]

On Nov 1, 2004, at 11:59, Jesse Wattenbarger wrote:

> I need to know if this is moving away from your visions or if it is in
> line with what you guys want.  If it is moving too far away, I do not
> mind branching off into a new project.  If not, I'd be delighted to 
> stay
> aboard.  And in either case, I hope that we can still swap information,
> ideas, and code.  You guys can have all the previous C code I wrote if
> you'd like.  It's nothing great or fancy.

	Heh... That's kinda funny, because I've started learning Python as 
well, and the more I learn, the more I feel like it would be perfect 
for that project too. Especially since there is a Python <-> 
Objective-C/Cocoa bridge (PyObjC) which as I'm told works particularly 
well.
	I've started writing scripts to convert NSRCG DAT files to XML, in the 
hopes of writing a GMViewDat program first. So far I've only had time 
to complete the EDGE.DAT converter (I'll upload it somewhere if you're 
interested). I thank McMackie for writing the NSRCG in the first place, 
but Ghost, are his file formats baroque.

> I'll be on IRC when I can.  I have recently graduated, but I have not
> found a CS job yet.  I'm currently working night audit at a hotel.  I'd
> probably be more likely to see Max online than Adam at my current hours
> =).

	Congratulations for your graduation.
	As for myself, I've moved to the UK for my final year of studies. I've 
had to learn Java in 1 week and currently have loads of work, but it's 
going okay, and I think I can put some time aside to work on this 
project.

-- Max
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting 
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a 
perfect, immortal machine?"

Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Jesse W. <jwa...@sp...>]

Great!  Well, I'm going to set up a public subversion repository for the
project.  I'll give you and Adam comit perms on it.  Sorry that the
previous libsrcg svn was private, Adam.  I had it in the same directory
as a private game that a friend of mine is working on (which I
periodically code for).  

All I've coded so far are a few classes for the "main" stuff.  Like I
wrote an AttrMod class this morning.  I also wrote an elf.py that takes
advantage of the class.  I'm fairly new to python as I just picked it up
the other night.  I'm using the online book, www.diveintopython.org.  It
is what really helped me fall in love with the language.  I've attached
my elf.py and attr_mod.py to this email just for fun and comments.  I'll
get the svn repository up today, though so that all my code is visible
and so that Max can upload his code.  Let me know what you guys think. 
If you can't tell by the files, I'm aiming to make it *very* modular. 
races can be added simply by creating a race.py file and loading it.  



On Mon, 2004-11-01 at 07:26, Max Noel wrote:
> On Nov 1, 2004, at 11:59, Jesse Wattenbarger wrote:
> 
> > I need to know if this is moving away from your visions or if it is in
> > line with what you guys want.  If it is moving too far away, I do not
> > mind branching off into a new project.  If not, I'd be delighted to 
> > stay
> > aboard.  And in either case, I hope that we can still swap information,
> > ideas, and code.  You guys can have all the previous C code I wrote if
> > you'd like.  It's nothing great or fancy.
> 
> 	Heh... That's kinda funny, because I've started learning Python as 
> well, and the more I learn, the more I feel like it would be perfect 
> for that project too. Especially since there is a Python <-> 
> Objective-C/Cocoa bridge (PyObjC) which as I'm told works particularly 
> well.
> 	I've started writing scripts to convert NSRCG DAT files to XML, in the 
> hopes of writing a GMViewDat program first. So far I've only had time 
> to complete the EDGE.DAT converter (I'll upload it somewhere if you're 
> interested). I thank McMackie for writing the NSRCG in the first place, 
> but Ghost, are his file formats baroque.
> 
> > I'll be on IRC when I can.  I have recently graduated, but I have not
> > found a CS job yet.  I'm currently working night audit at a hotel.  I'd
> > probably be more likely to see Max online than Adam at my current hours
> > =).
> 
> 	Congratulations for your graduation.
> 	As for myself, I've moved to the UK for my final year of studies. I've 
> had to learn Java in 1 week and currently have loads of work, but it's 
> going okay, and I think I can put some time aside to work on this 
> project.
> 
> -- Max
> maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
> "Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting 
> and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a 
> perfect, immortal machine?"
> 
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Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Max N. <max...@ya...>]

On Nov 1, 2004, at 14:29, Jesse Wattenbarger wrote:

> All I've coded so far are a few classes for the "main" stuff.  Like I
> wrote an AttrMod class this morning.  I also wrote an elf.py that takes
> advantage of the class.  I'm fairly new to python as I just picked it 
> up
> the other night.  I'm using the online book, www.diveintopython.org.  
> It
> is what really helped me fall in love with the language.  I've attached
> my elf.py and attr_mod.py to this email just for fun and comments.  
> I'll
> get the svn repository up today, though so that all my code is visible
> and so that Max can upload his code.  Let me know what you guys think.
> If you can't tell by the files, I'm aiming to make it *very* modular.
> races can be added simply by creating a race.py file and loading it.

	I'll have a look at what you did tomorrow (right now I have a 
coursework assignment to complete, due tomorrow morning ;) ). 
Meanwhile, here's what I coded. It's not pretty, but it converts 
EDGE.DAT to XML just fine (although the XML specs are subject to 
change). The ILNode class can be reused to create other types of 
XML-based item lists.

-- Max
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting 
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a 
perfect, immortal machine?"

Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Adam B. <co...@di...>]

Well, I've certainly been out of action for awhile now. So, I just 
thought I'd check in finally.

About the only issue with python I can think of off-hand would be the 
need to require a python interpreter be installed on the system. That 
might be a bit cumbersome, a little VisualBasic-esque. But, I certainly 
don't have a problem using Python. In fact, it might make for a very 
easy cross-platform choice for a back-end.

Jesse, how's the SVN server? Also, if you want some assistance with the 
lib you might post up some info on it and what you need done.

--
Adam Brown
co...@di...

Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Max N. <max...@ya...>]

On Nov 23, 2004, at 22:42, Adam Brown wrote:

> About the only issue with python I can think of off-hand would be the 
> need to require a python interpreter be installed on the system. That 
> might be a bit cumbersome, a little VisualBasic-esque. But, I 
> certainly don't have a problem using Python. In fact, it might make 
> for a very easy cross-platform choice for a back-end.

	The default Mac OS X "distribution" includes Python 2.3 (that's OS X 
10.3 -- I'm not sure about earlier versions, and I suppose OS X 10.4 
will include Python 2.4), and the language is installed on most Linux 
machines.
	As for Windows, it is possible to bundle a Python program and 
interpreter in an EXE file, using a program called py2exe (which is 
what's used for the Windows version of Bittorrent).

-- Max
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting 
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a 
perfect, immortal machine?"

Re: [xsrcg-devel] Checking in...

[Adam B. <co...@di...>]

On Nov 23, 2004, at 5:09 PM, Max Noel wrote:

>
> On Nov 23, 2004, at 22:42, Adam Brown wrote:
>
>> About the only issue with python I can think of off-hand would be the 
>> need to require a python interpreter be installed on the system. That 
>> might be a bit cumbersome, a little VisualBasic-esque. But, I 
>> certainly don't have a problem using Python. In fact, it might make 
>> for a very easy cross-platform choice for a back-end.
>
> 	The default Mac OS X "distribution" includes Python 2.3 (that's OS X 
> 10.3 -- I'm not sure about earlier versions, and I suppose OS X 10.4 
> will include Python 2.4), and the language is installed on most Linux 
> machines.
> 	As for Windows, it is possible to bundle a Python program and 
> interpreter in an EXE file, using a program called py2exe (which is 
> what's used for the Windows version of Bittorrent).


Well, I was mostly thinking of Windows, so that's pretty cool it can be 
bundled into an exe, should make it completely invisible.

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