Re: [Xsltforms-support] Is XForms a failure to learn from?

[marcelo a. <cma...@gm...>]

Hi all, I would like to express what I think about this... For me XForms is
an incredible and powerful technology.  I love it and I will keep using it
as long as there are a community like this and, of course, the tools to get
the job done. In this respect, XSLTForms is all I need to build powerful
interfaces that are easy to code and maintain. That's it.
I am very grateful to Alain and all the people that make this possible.
So, Is XForms popular? No, Is  XForms a failure? Not at all.  This are not
the same thing.
Misquoting, I would say that, the reports of XForms's death are greatly
exaggerated ;)

cheers
marcelo





On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Stephen Cameron <ste...@gm...
> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> XSmiles is a Java project and just maybe that is a problem, no one is
> interested in building (on) a browser using Java.
>
> XQuery and XSLT do have some jobs market value still, but mainly in
> integration work. That is a niche and in large part mostly filled by Saxon
> I suspect.
>
> The browser has become an application development platform, but the
> approach used to do that is all Javascript based, XSLTForms itself is
> Javascript in large part. and uses XSLT as a 'translator' to Javascript.
>
> So, is there a place for such a browser as XSmiles but all C++? It could
> be both a browser and a generic XML technologies library. I have a project
> that I would love to do with such a beast, but maybe I am just one of those
> "creative non-mainstream people (who) like to push boundaries" that you
> mention, with no thought of the practicalities of cost and marketability.
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:45 AM, <bc...@sh...>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:07:41 +0200
>> Alain Couthures <ala...@ag...> wrote:
>>
>> > All,
>> >
>> > Having a look at AB/2014-2015 Priorities/w3c work success
>> > (https://www.w3.org/wiki/AB/2014-2015_Priorities/w3c_work_success), I
>> > can read that XForms is one of the "failures to learn from".
>> >
>> > Surely, there is a lot to be said about XForms as a failure. In this
>> > list of "failures", I would personally add XSLT and XQuery for very
>> > similar reasons, and surely SVG some years ago, if they all had to be
>> > considered as effective Web, or client-side, technologies.
>> >
>> > What do you think? Shouldn't we write what has to be written?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > -Alain
>>
>> Hello Alain
>>
>> I am not an expert in the field, but I would not call XForms a failure.
>> Though I suppose it does depend on what the measure is.
>>
>> If I were looking for something that would have made it come together
>> better, it would have been a tool, a main tool, a browser or something,
>> that brought all the ideas together in a demonstrable and useful
>> product.
>>
>> Having said that, it is a shame it has all [arguably] struggled along
>> for reasons which I suspect are down to other commercial vested
>> interests by big players and their take-up or lack of, any proposed
>> standards adoption.
>>
>> I still believe the XML based 'tools' (XForms, and associated concepts
>> e.g. XRX) are extremely important and its too easy to cast them off.
>>
>> This comment from a reply to your post "...the W3C...should just
>> make its own browser with ALL its XML standards implemented." (Stephen
>> Cameron)  is not a shout without serious merit in my opinion too.
>>
>> Not wishing to distract from supporting the previous idea, was not
>> XSmiles an attempt to have a go at doing the XML standards compliant
>> browser.
>>
>> Whatever, I still try to use XForms and it will only fail for me if the
>> clever and supportive open-source community minds keeping tools going
>> in some form or another, actually give up. To them, including you for
>> XSLTForms, I am grateful!
>>
>> I wish there was some push by W3C to resurrect (if some feel it has had
>> its day) and bring it all together in a serious meaningful way. There
>> would always be a market I'm sure.....creative non-mainstream people
>> like to push boundaries   :-).
>>
>> Regards
>> Chris H.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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