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From: Arnaldo C. <ar...@mi...> - 2001-11-02 02:29:48
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<font color=3D"gray">[18:57]</font> <font color=3D"gray">rdram is = now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"gray">[18:57]</font> <font color=3D"gray">arnaldo = is now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Hi Hugo.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Hello, Radu.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Hi, Arnaldo. I had a littele = conversation with Hugo regarding XML/XHTML/XSLT.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Cool. What were the = results?<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:01]</font> <font color=3D"gray">kalafutj = is now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Hey guys....<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Hi, Jim.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> After 2 days of reading, now = it's more clear how XML/XSLT fit in the project.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Very nice.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Radu, would you be willing to = summarize your clarity on the issue in an email to the group? I'm sure = I could learn a lot from your insights.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Sure.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Still it's not clear how XHTML = fits in here.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Jim, how's it going?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> The whole ideea is that you can = map XML tag to different actions by applying a XSL transformation.It = seems to me that building that transformation is the difficult part.<br = /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Fine...I was pleased with = the test. The question I thought I'd get a 0 on I got a 10, it was the = sure-fire ones that hurt me :(<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Do you know the curb for = grades?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> OK, Jim, just tell us. What = was your score. :)<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Radu, I hear Johson's a pretty = merciful grader.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Jim, for the question I thought = I'd get a 0 I got 0. :-)<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> But I heard most of the people = screwed up the "baseline" Presmann crap.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> I was a bit of a smart-ass = on the last one and said "This is my Level 0 DFD..." and my = drawing had two blocks or something ridiculous...<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:09]</font> <font = color=3D"gray">ChrisHeistad is now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Who can remember all the = Pressman stuff??? He says the same thing 150 subtley different ways.<br = /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Jim, would you have the = patience to help me out with some configuration(CVS mainly).<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Hi Chris.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> I can't believe somebody can = write this kind of book.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> What was question 6?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Hey, Chris.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> Hi Radu<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Radu: yeah on the CVS = help...it was a bit of a pain.<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:10]</font> <font color=3D"gray">bola is = now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Green">%% bola</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> I can't even remember.Something = with baseline metrics.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Q6: what makes metrics = useful?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Wrong, Jim.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> 0<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> damn<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> Hi Arnaldo<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> This is what I thought.<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:11]</font> <font color=3D"gray">elhugo = is now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:11]</font> <font color=3D"gray">bola is = now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Green">%% bola</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Looking at the graph, I = think there were all 0s and 1 one on Q6 :)<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> But take a look at midterm = solutions and see the real answer.<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:11]</font> <font color=3D"gray">abe is = now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> What graph, Jim?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Hi, Abe.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> The Distribution graph from = the Gradebook.exe program. You can drill down to see how everyone did = on each question.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> You got a 0, so did I, so = did Arnaldo, etc etc etc.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><abe></font> hi, guys. hi, Radu.<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:13]</font> <font color=3D"gray">bola is = now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> I don't have it. What is the = distribution for the grades?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Overall?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Who got 0 on Q6? Aye.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><bola></font> hey. guys..<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Aye, Radu.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Range 17-48, mean: 36.6<br = /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:14]</font> <font color=3D"gray">dhinkley = is now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Well, everyone is here. I = guess we can get started.!<br /> <font color=3D"Purple">* arnaldo has changed the subject to: coding = issues</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Anybody try CVS?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Were there any disagreements = with some of the practices I suggested in the email earlier today?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Not me.I will tonight.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><abe></font> I have winCVS installed, that is = as far as I got.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Let's say this: if you = haven't tried CVS yet, try it tonight.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Aye?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> AYe.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><dhinkley></font> aye, lets go on.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Agreed.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Any problems with the = practices I suggested earlier today?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> I'll take that as a no, and we = can move on.<br /> <font color=3D"Purple">* arnaldo has changed the subject to: initial = design discussion</font><br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Has anyone not seem Jim's = proposed design?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Again, I'll take that as a = no.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Any problems with it?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> How did we receive = it?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> email.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> On the wikiPage object...<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> or: <a = href=3D"http://24.178.71.65:8081/xmlwiki/XmlWikiSystemSummary.pdf">http:/= /24.178.71.65:8081/xmlwiki/XmlWikiSystemSummary.pdf</a> <br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> As Johnson says, = "Criticism is easier than Creation"...<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Don't we need a title and a = version? Or these are details? Sorry Jim.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Thank you Jim for doing the = hard part for us. Now, any criticisms of Jim's hard work?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> :)<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Good work, Jim. :-)<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> I threw this together from = 7:00 to 7:30, so the nuances are missing and the UML is probably just = plain wrong.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Got it.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Are we all thinking along = those lines, or do you guys have something totally different in mind?<br = /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> I have a question. How = do we request a page?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> It's close though. We = probably don't want to define nuances too precisely quite yet.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> The servlet will accept = connections by default.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Jim, are those boxes = objects?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Classes<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> OK<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Chris, a web page or a wiki = page?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> So, the WikiDB has many Wiki = pages...<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> I would think the page = would only exist in the database as a wikipage?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> It can exist however, but = the transport would be a standard WikiPage object that everyone = understands.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> But how do you fetch and = store the pages?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> So, each person browsing the = Wiki would be calling up a new instance of "BrowseWikiPage"? = Is that correct?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> As XML.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> If I want to get a = wikipage, what do I do? What is the interface?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Calls to the WikiDB object = would return or submit WikiPages... the underlying filesystem or DB = stuff is masked.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Chris: = db.retrieveWikiPage("My Page Name")<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> There we go. I agree.<br = /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> There are other ways too = (like by ID)<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Correct, Jim.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> How about other interfaces? = Like between EditWikiPage and BrowseWikiPage?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> You don't wanna get a page by = name. It may have many versions.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Maybe the WikiPage object is = smart enough to handle and or all versions? that isn't defined = yet...<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> and=3Dany<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> I think we will have several = translators.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Correct me Hugo.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> It does need to be by = name for simplicity, maybe more complex later. XP means simple first = :-)<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> We probably would want to = break that one up b/c I forsee it growing too...<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><elhugo></font> why would we have several = translators? it seems that one can handle the job.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Or, perhaps all the = tranlators' functionality will be covered by a single translator = class?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> wikiTranslator: wiki = <->XML.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> XHTML translator: = XML->XHTML.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><elhugo></font> wouldn't the state of the = translator be determined by the XSL that is being used in the current = thread?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> Having a WikiTranslator = superclass with individual notations implemented in subclasses might be = in store, though that wouldn't be done now.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> It needs to be an = interface too. Lets not just assume we'll only stick to those specific = manilpulations.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Good thought, Jim. Sounds = like something that would be organized in refactoring.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> What do you mean, Hugo?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> So, let's address the missing = interfaces.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> At this point, I don't see = the need for Session objects. What about you guys?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Can we use a XSL to translate = wiki->XML?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><elhugo></font> yes<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><elhugo></font> but regex works better for = that<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Stupid question: what's a = "Session Object?"<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Session objects are evil.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> ie. Amazon.com tracking = your "shopping cart" between pages<br /> <font color=3D"Green">%% elhugo</font><br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> OK. Evil personified, = shopping cart, got it.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><dhinkley></font> i think we will use them to = control our updates.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> I think it looks pretty good, = Jim.<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:30]</font> <font color=3D"gray">elhugo = is now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Green">%% bola</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> deb you mean the = security?<br /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:30]</font> <font color=3D"gray">bola is = now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><elhugo></font> keep state for a particular = user<br /> <font color=3D"Green">%% bola</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><dhinkley></font> no, I mean concurrent = updates, things like that, but I am not sure exactly.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Is it safe to say that we can = move from discussing/challenging the diagram to clearing up things?<br = /> <font color=3D"gray">[19:31]</font> <font color=3D"gray">bola is = now Available ()</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><ChrisHeistad></font> aye<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> sure<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> For one server, maybe they = work. But what if you use a load balancer for HTTP requests?<br /> <font color=3D"Purple">* arnaldo has changed the subject to: questioning = Jim's design.</font><br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> Aye.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><bola></font> is anyone..having problems with = the jabber client sw?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><elhugo></font> yes<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><rdram></font> What's sw?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> What's the interface in = EditWikiPage that BrowseWikiPage will call?<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><kalafutj></font> What happens when you guys = get booted off?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> software.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><bola></font> it seems to be more stable = now..<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><elhugo></font> the previous conversation is = lost<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><bola></font> can someone pls cut and = paste?<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> Sure. Hang on...<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> no wait.<br /> <font color=3D"Red"><arnaldo></font> I'm going to save the current = conversation and email to all.<br /> <font color=3D"Navy"><abe></font> much better...<br /> |
