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RE: [Xml1-wire-devel] New take on XML 1-Wire Tagging

[Brian D. H. <bri...@da...>]

Sean,

Hi.  As to your motion to retire the Source Forge XML Tagging project, we here at Dallas Semiconductor are still evaluating the
situation, so our official response is "We don't know yet"...

By the way, if you had any trouble downloading the 1-Wire Tagging document in PDF format (it came in the 1-Wire API for Java 1.00
Alpha release), we have extracted just the document and placed it on our FTP site here:
ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/xmltag.pdf

Thanks,
--Brian Hindman,
Dallas Semiconductor.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xml...@li...
> [mailto:xml...@li...]On Behalf Of Sean
> Kelly
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:37 AM
> To: David Smiczek; XML1-Wire
> Subject: Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] New take on XML 1-Wire Tagging
>
>
> Given the maturity of this tagging solution, and the
> quiescence of our own project, I'd like to make a
> motion to retire the XML 1-Wire Tagging project on
> Source Forge.
>
> > All
> >
> > See Scott's announcement below.  This release contains
> > a XML 1-Wire solution.  It has some similar lineage to
> > the source forge project but goes off in a slightly
> > different direction and is pretty fleshed out.  The
> > XML files can be on the desktop filesystem or on the
> > 1-Wire devices themselves.  There is an application
> > that will automatically read these files and spawn
> > windows representing each sensor/actuator.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > An Alpha release of the Java OneWireAPI v1.00 is available for download on
> > the ftp site.  The file readme.txt details all new additions and the
> > procudures for installation.  A complete list of changes and bug fixes is
> > available in the file changes.txt.
> >
> > Download (2.43mb):
> > ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00A.tgz
> >
> > Readme only (34kb):
> > ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00Areadme.txt
> >
> > Changes only (31kb):
> > ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00Achanges.txt
> >
> > All the examples (the ones without GUIs) were built against the latest
> > version of the TINI SDK (version 1.02c) and a corresponding .tbin is
> > included.  Get the version 1.02c of the TINI SDK here:
> > ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/tini/tini1_02c.tgz
> >
> > Paraphrased from the Readme, here's a list of what's new:
> >
> > New OneWireContainers Added
> > - OneWireContainer22 for the DS1822, 1-Wire Digital Thermometer.
> > - OneWireContainer24 for the DS2415/DS1904, 1-Wire Real-Time Clock.
> > - OneWireContainer27 for the DS2417, 1-Wire Time Chip with Interrupt.
> >
> > New Hygro iButton, HumidityContainer
> > - Application support for Humidity sensing devices, including the DS1910
> > Hygro iButton.  A demo is included.
> >
> > New SHA Transaction API
> > -  High-level transaction architecture intended to ease the development of
> > custom secure applications.  Support for DS1961S (SHA EEPROM), DS1963S (SHA
> > NVRAM), and a DS1963S coprocessor is no longer required as it can be
> > simulated.
> >
> > New 1-Wire XML Tagging
> > -  Framework and demo application for using XML stored directly on the
> > device to "tag" each device with grouping information.  GUI demo
> > applications are included for viewing and creating 1-Wire Tags.
> >
> > New OpenCard support classes for Java iButton
> > - API to abstract communication with SmartCards and JavaCards like the Java
> > Powered iButton. (See http://www.opencard.org)
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > --
> > Scott Hughes <sh...@da...>
> > AutoInf Engineer, Maxim/Dallas Semiconductor
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xml1-wire-devel mailing list
> > Xml...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xml1-wire-devel
> >
>
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Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] New take on XML 1-Wire Tagging

[Sean K. <ke...@ad...>]

Given the maturity of this tagging solution, and the
quiescence of our own project, I'd like to make a
motion to retire the XML 1-Wire Tagging project on
Source Forge.

> All
> 
> See Scott's announcement below.  This release contains
> a XML 1-Wire solution.  It has some similar lineage to
> the source forge project but goes off in a slightly 
> different direction and is pretty fleshed out.  The 
> XML files can be on the desktop filesystem or on the 
> 1-Wire devices themselves.  There is an application
> that will automatically read these files and spawn
> windows representing each sensor/actuator.
> 
> Dave  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> An Alpha release of the Java OneWireAPI v1.00 is available for download on
> the ftp site.  The file readme.txt details all new additions and the
> procudures for installation.  A complete list of changes and bug fixes is
> available in the file changes.txt.
> 
> Download (2.43mb):
> ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00A.tgz
> 
> Readme only (34kb):
> ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00Areadme.txt
> 
> Changes only (31kb):
> ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00Achanges.txt
> 
> All the examples (the ones without GUIs) were built against the latest
> version of the TINI SDK (version 1.02c) and a corresponding .tbin is
> included.  Get the version 1.02c of the TINI SDK here:
> ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/tini/tini1_02c.tgz
> 
> Paraphrased from the Readme, here's a list of what's new:
> 
> New OneWireContainers Added
> - OneWireContainer22 for the DS1822, 1-Wire Digital Thermometer.
> - OneWireContainer24 for the DS2415/DS1904, 1-Wire Real-Time Clock.
> - OneWireContainer27 for the DS2417, 1-Wire Time Chip with Interrupt.
> 
> New Hygro iButton, HumidityContainer
> - Application support for Humidity sensing devices, including the DS1910
> Hygro iButton.  A demo is included.
> 
> New SHA Transaction API
> -  High-level transaction architecture intended to ease the development of
> custom secure applications.  Support for DS1961S (SHA EEPROM), DS1963S (SHA
> NVRAM), and a DS1963S coprocessor is no longer required as it can be
> simulated.
> 
> New 1-Wire XML Tagging
> -  Framework and demo application for using XML stored directly on the
> device to "tag" each device with grouping information.  GUI demo
> applications are included for viewing and creating 1-Wire Tags.
> 
> New OpenCard support classes for Java iButton
> - API to abstract communication with SmartCards and JavaCards like the Java
> Powered iButton. (See http://www.opencard.org)
> 
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> --
> Scott Hughes <sh...@da...>
> AutoInf Engineer, Maxim/Dallas Semiconductor
> 
> 
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xml1-wire-devel
> 

[Xml1-wire-devel] New take on XML 1-Wire Tagging

[David S. <dav...@da...>]

All

See Scott's announcement below.  This release contains
a XML 1-Wire solution.  It has some similar lineage to
the source forge project but goes off in a slightly 
different direction and is pretty fleshed out.  The 
XML files can be on the desktop filesystem or on the 
1-Wire devices themselves.  There is an application
that will automatically read these files and spawn
windows representing each sensor/actuator.

Dave  




An Alpha release of the Java OneWireAPI v1.00 is available for download on
the ftp site.  The file readme.txt details all new additions and the
procudures for installation.  A complete list of changes and bug fixes is
available in the file changes.txt.

Download (2.43mb):
ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00A.tgz

Readme only (34kb):
ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00Areadme.txt

Changes only (31kb):
ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/auto_id/public/owapi_1_00Achanges.txt

All the examples (the ones without GUIs) were built against the latest
version of the TINI SDK (version 1.02c) and a corresponding .tbin is
included.  Get the version 1.02c of the TINI SDK here:
ftp://ftp.dalsemi.com/pub/tini/tini1_02c.tgz

Paraphrased from the Readme, here's a list of what's new:

New OneWireContainers Added
- OneWireContainer22 for the DS1822, 1-Wire Digital Thermometer.
- OneWireContainer24 for the DS2415/DS1904, 1-Wire Real-Time Clock.
- OneWireContainer27 for the DS2417, 1-Wire Time Chip with Interrupt.

New Hygro iButton, HumidityContainer
- Application support for Humidity sensing devices, including the DS1910
Hygro iButton.  A demo is included.

New SHA Transaction API
-  High-level transaction architecture intended to ease the development of
custom secure applications.  Support for DS1961S (SHA EEPROM), DS1963S (SHA
NVRAM), and a DS1963S coprocessor is no longer required as it can be
simulated.

New 1-Wire XML Tagging
-  Framework and demo application for using XML stored directly on the
device to "tag" each device with grouping information.  GUI demo
applications are included for viewing and creating 1-Wire Tags.

New OpenCard support classes for Java iButton
- API to abstract communication with SmartCards and JavaCards like the Java
Powered iButton. (See http://www.opencard.org)


Enjoy!

--
Scott Hughes <sh...@da...>
AutoInf Engineer, Maxim/Dallas Semiconductor

[Xml1-wire-devel] Web site updated

[Sean K. <ke...@ad...>]

Folks:

I've updated the XML 1-Wire Tagging website at

   http://xml1-wire.sourceforge.net/

In addition, the source code that generates the
web site is part of the XML 1-Wire CVS repository,
under the CVS module name "tag-website".  If you
want to make any changes to the website, help
yourself!

Take care,
Sean.

[Xml1-wire-devel] Updates

[Sean K. <ke...@ad...>]

Folks:

The XML 1-Wire project's been updated so that we're in a
posiion to do our first public release.  In order to
automate as much of the release possible, provide a
framework for future contributions, and a system for
documentation, I've created a module in the CVS server
to house all this stuff.  The module is simply called
"tag".  You should checkout this module as follows:

cvs -d <user>@cvs.xml1-wire.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/xml1-wire co tag

where <user> is your user name on SourceForge.  You can
then build the system by going into the tag directory
and typing "ant jar".  Anyone can be a release engineer
too by typing "ant release", although we should have a
concensus before posting a release publically to
SourceForge.

Next, I'd like to start tackling the website to provide
backlinks into software downloading, bug reporting,
feature requesting, and so forth.  The website, of
course, will also go under CVS control so we can track
revisions and all make updates.  Bruce: is it OK if we
pull the entire website onto SourceForge's server
instead of Systronix's?

We should also retire the CVS module "xml1-wire".

Thanks,
--Sean

Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] Parsing but no blinking.

[Sean K. <ke...@ad...>]

> But, when I ran the xml1wire.tini file, I just received 
> a parse of the xml file (see output below).

Right.  The Main class listed in build.xml,
net.sourceforge.xml1wire.Main, just dumps its parsed XML
input.

For a more interesting demo, see the file
parserTester.java, courtesy of Byron Appelt.

(You know, we really need to clean up the XML 1-wire
directory ... again time permitting (hah!))

--Sean

[Xml1-wire-devel] Parsing but no blinking.

[Brian D. H. <bri...@da...>]

Sean Kelly,

Hi.  Thanks for the new build.xml file!  It allowed me 
to compile successfully to a *.tini file using Ant.

To test the 8x1.xml file, I am using the Systronix board 
(8 1-WIRE I/Os).  Using the iButton Viewer I discovered 
all 4 1-Wire Net addresses and put them in the xml file.  
But, when I ran the xml1wire.tini file, I just received 
a parse of the xml file (see output below).

I was under the impression that the code actually 
blinked the LEDs and buzzed the buzzer.  Do you have 
any idea what might be going on or what I might be doing 
wrong?  Would I need to use a newer version of MinML with 
RPC?

Thanks,
--Brian Hindman,
Dallas Semiconductor.

=======================================================

TINI /> java xml1wire.tini 8x1.xml
Start of document:
<OW:Cluster xmlns:OW="http://xml1-wire.sourceforge.net">
<OW:Description>
Systronix 8x1-wire board
</OW:Description>
<OW:Cluster>
<OW:Description>
Pushbuttons
</OW:Description>
<OW:Sensor accessMethod="AM_LEVEL_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
FC00000018BC0112
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
02
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
Push-Button 2
</OW:Description>
</OW:Sensor>
<OW:Sensor accessMethod="AM_LEVEL_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
1400000018AE2912
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
02
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
Push-Button 3
</OW:Description>
</OW:Sensor>
<OW:Sensor accessMethod="AM_LEVEL_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
B700000018AE3212
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
02
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
Push-Button 4
</OW:Description>
</OW:Sensor>
<OW:Sensor accessMethod="AM_LEVEL_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
B200000018BC2A12
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
02
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
Push-Button 1
</OW:Description>
</OW:Sensor>
</OW:Cluster>
<OW:Cluster>
<OW:Description>
LEDs
</OW:Description>
<OW:Actuator accessMethod="AM_SWITCH_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
FC00000018BC0112
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
01
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
LED2
</OW:Description>
</OW:Actuator>
<OW:Actuator accessMethod="AM_SWITCH_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
1400000018AE2912
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
01
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
LED3
</OW:Description>
</OW:Actuator>
<OW:Actuator accessMethod="AM_SWITCH_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
B700000018AE3212
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
01
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
LED4 AND BUZZER
</OW:Description>
</OW:Actuator>
<OW:Actuator accessMethod="AM_SWITCH_2406">
<OW:NetAddress>
B200000018BC2A12
</OW:NetAddress>
<OW:ChannelMask>
01
</OW:ChannelMask>
<OW:Description>
LED1
</OW:Description>
</OW:Actuator>
</OW:Cluster>
</OW:Cluster>
End of document.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xml...@li...
> [mailto:xml...@li...]On Behalf Of Sean
> Kelly
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:55 PM
> To: Brian D. Hindman
> Cc: XML1-Wire
> Subject: Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.
> 
> 
> > Now, I get an error message that it can't 
> > find "BuildOneWireDependency" class.
> 
> Well, you can tell how recently we've worked
> on XML 1-Wire Tagging, now can't you? :-)
> As soon as I get copious spare time (hah!)
> I'm planning on delving into tagging again
> full steam ahead.
> 
> I've just checked in an updated build.xml
> file to the CVS repository; I'm also attaching
> it to this email message for your convenience.
> 
> Give it another go.
> 
> --Sean
> 
> 
> 

RE: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.

[David S. <dav...@da...>]

Brian,

> Now, I get an error message that it can't 
> find "BuildOneWireDependency" class.

Do you have to build it for TINI.  Can't you just
use the PC version of the 1-Wire API to run this
example?

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> From: xml...@li...
> [mailto:xml...@li...]On Behalf Of Brian
> D. Hindman
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:22 PM
> To: Sean Kelly
> Cc: XML1-Wire
> Subject: RE: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.
> 
> 
> Sean,
> 
> I'm still having some difficulty.
> 
> Now, I get an error message that it can't 
> find "BuildOneWireDependency" class.
> 
> I think I fixed the above with a 
> "classpath" attribute in the Build file.
> 
> However, then it gave an error message that 
> it couldn't find the TINIConvertor class.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> --Brian Hindman,
> Dallas Semiconductor.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xml...@li...
> > [mailto:xml...@li...]On Behalf Of Sean
> > Kelly
> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:47 PM
> > To: Brian D. Hindman; XML1-Wire
> > Subject: Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.
> > 
> > 
> > Got it.
> > 
> > When you run ant with no arguments, by default you get
> > compilation for execution on your local system.  Run
> > ant and pass the "tini" argument:
> > 
> > > ant -Dtini.dir=d:\download\tini\tini1.02 tini
> > 
> > and you'll get a build for execution on a TINI.
> > 
> > Take care.
> > --k
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.

[Sean K. <ke...@ad...>]

> Now, I get an error message that it can't 
> find "BuildOneWireDependency" class.

Well, you can tell how recently we've worked
on XML 1-Wire Tagging, now can't you? :-)
As soon as I get copious spare time (hah!)
I'm planning on delving into tagging again
full steam ahead.

I've just checked in an updated build.xml
file to the CVS repository; I'm also attaching
it to this email message for your convenience.

Give it another go.

--Sean

RE: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.

[Brian D. H. <bri...@da...>]

Sean,

I'm still having some difficulty.

Now, I get an error message that it can't 
find "BuildOneWireDependency" class.

I think I fixed the above with a 
"classpath" attribute in the Build file.

However, then it gave an error message that 
it couldn't find the TINIConvertor class.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
--Brian Hindman,
Dallas Semiconductor.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xml...@li...
> [mailto:xml...@li...]On Behalf Of Sean
> Kelly
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:47 PM
> To: Brian D. Hindman; XML1-Wire
> Subject: Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.
> 
> 
> Got it.
> 
> When you run ant with no arguments, by default you get
> compilation for execution on your local system.  Run
> ant and pass the "tini" argument:
> 
> > ant -Dtini.dir=d:\download\tini\tini1.02 tini
> 
> and you'll get a build for execution on a TINI.
> 
> Take care.
> --k
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xml1-wire-devel
> 

Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.

[Sean K. <ke...@ad...>]

Got it.

When you run ant with no arguments, by default you get
compilation for execution on your local system.  Run
ant and pass the "tini" argument:

> ant -Dtini.dir=d:\download\tini\tini1.02 tini

and you'll get a build for execution on a TINI.

Take care.
--k

RE: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.

[Brian D. H. <bri...@da...>]

Sean,

Hi.  I don't get any error messages...

Everything seems to build, but no *.tini is made.  My output 
can be found below...

Should I just attempt to run the testerParser.class with 
input parameter of 8x1.XML file?

Where should MinML.jar be placed?

Regards,
--Brian H.
P.S.  I will be out of the office until Monday.  I'll let you 
know my progress then...

======================Output=======================================
D:\Work\XMLTagging\InterestGroup\xml1-wire>ant -Dtini.dir=D:\download\tini\tini1
.02
Buildfile: build.xml

prepBuild:
    [mkdir] Created dir: D:\Work\XMLTagging\InterestGroup\xml1-wire\build

compile:
    [javac] Compiling 13 source files to D:\Work\XMLTagging\InterestGroup\xml1-w
ire\build

copyResources:

build:

BUILD SUCCESSFUL

Total time: 6 seconds
===============================================================


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> Kelly
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> To: Brian D. Hindman; XML1-Wire
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> 
> 
> > However, I have been unable to produce a *.tini 
> > or runnable *.class file utilizing the *.dtd and 
> > the example XML file located on the site.
> 
> What error messages, if any, are you seeing?
> 
> --Sean
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Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.

[Sean K. <ke...@ad...>]

> However, I have been unable to produce a *.tini 
> or runnable *.class file utilizing the *.dtd and 
> the example XML file located on the site.

What error messages, if any, are you seeing?

--Sean

[Xml1-wire-devel] Example source code.

[Brian D. H. <bri...@da...>]

I am in need of some assistance...

I have downloaded the sample code from Sourceforge.

I have also downloaded ANT and TINIANT from 
their respective sites, and was able to 
build the package.  Plus, I have the Systronics 
8 1-WIRE I/O board with which to test the code.

However, I have been unable to produce a *.tini 
or runnable *.class file utilizing the *.dtd and 
the example XML file located on the site.

I was wondering if someone could point me in the 
right direction or provide a few pointers...

Thanks,
--Brian Hindman,
Dallas Semiconductor.

[Xml1-wire-devel] testing-don't respond

[Brian D. H. <bri...@da...>]

testing 123.

Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] hubs and door locks, OW isolation

[Bruce B. <bb...@sy...>]

At 23:58 1/23/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Bruce Boyes wrote:
>
>> You can't opto-isolate OW nodes from the net (CAN and ethernet can).
>
>Ok, then how about using a MOV to (try to) protect the devices on the OW
>buss?

Maybe. They tend to have a LOT of capacitance. There must be some way to
beef things up, we're open to any ideas and will try some things soon.

One obvious option is to opto-isolate the 2480 adapter from the host. Then
the most they can take out is that onewire net and not the whole
computer/TINI and all.

Bruce
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Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] hubs and door locks, OW isolation

[Jac K. <j.k...@th...>]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Bruce Boyes wrote:

> You can't opto-isolate OW nodes from the net (CAN and ethernet can).

Ok, then how about using a MOV to (try to) protect the devices on the OW
buss?

Regards,

Jac

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[Xml1-wire-devel] hubs and door locks, OW isolation

[Bruce B. <bb...@sy...>]

At 00:55 1/19/2001 +0100, Jac Kersing wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Bruce Boyes wrote:
>
>> Someone else raised the scenario of a vandal plugging in a OW enabled PC
>> into the blue dot reader, looking for DS2406s on all DS2409 branches, and
>> turning them on in hopes of activating the door strike. Or plugging 120 VAC
>> into the blue dot reader!
>
>The 2409 solved the problem of outside access to other parts of the
>one-wire net, but the 230VAC (for us europeans) issue is one that keeps
>bugging me. Over a year ago I tried to raise this issue on the one-wire
>list, but there was no response at all. Like no-one else cared.
>
>Would it be possible to use some cheap parts (almost like the 2409 but
>with some component in the ground connection too) to isolate the reader
>from the rest of the net? Or would it be like protecting a transistor with
>a fuse? (A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the
>fuse by blowing first.)

You can't opto-isolate OW nodes from the net (CAN and ethernet can). All
you can opto-isolate is a DS2480 (and the whole OW net which it drives)
from the UART which connects to the DS2480, since at that point you do have
access to separate TX and RX signals to control the isolator. This is
because with a one-signal party line you can't build an opto-isolator which
isn't also a positive feedback latch. You need both a TX and RX signal at
each node (ala CAN and ethernet).

Maybe transformer coupling is possible, I haven't thought it through. Then
you would at least have galvanic isolation.

Bruce
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Re: [Xml1-wire-devel] New hub design, request for input

[Bruce B. <bb...@sy...>]

At 00:40 1/19/2001 +0100, Jac Kersing wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Bruce Boyes wrote:
>
>> One thing we have been tipped off by Dallas about is that if you short an
>> active branch on the 2409 it will hang the network and the 2409 can't
>> recover except by power cycling. This is a bug in the 2409 design which
>> isn't likely to change soon.
>
>That's the end of my access control design. One can't rely on users to
>slot their iButtons into the reader (the one with led) without causing a
>short every now and then. Back to the drawing board :-(

Wait! I didn't mean to paint so dark a picture. The other end of the
equation is that the DS2409 will reset itself turning off both branches
*after* the short ends. So in the case of an accidental reader short you're
OK. In the case of vandalism or physical damage to one branch (fire melts
one end into a lump or someone crushes a cable) which causes an eternal
short, you're stuck unless you can power cycle the 2409 and thereby disable
that branch.

The same short on the trunk due to gross events such as a fire, etc will of
course bring down the net, but that would also cause any other network to
fail too.

>
>> So we are pondering a watchdog which would power cycle the 2409. When the
>> 2409 is power  cycled it disabled both branches.
>
>What about a watchdog that resets the 2409 whenever the active branch is
>short? If the one-wire signal level stays below a threshold for over 1
>second just reset the part. This way there would be no need for almost
>continues one-wire activity.


Yes! Dave at Dallas suggested the same thing.

Bruce
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RE: [Xml1-wire-devel] New hub design, request for input

[Jac K. <j.k...@th...>]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Byron K. Appelt wrote:

> A valid approach, probably the right one. My only thought is that if you
> have a network containing several memory devices, not all containing tagging
> information, you will have to check  each of them and determine whether or
> not they contain a tag, and then process that tag.

You might have to do this anyway. Someone might choose to add a 8x1-wire
(or other device) on the main bus. And don't forget someone might want to
add a memory device to the AUX branch as well.

> On the other hand, if you have prior knowledge of the network, it
> would make sense to put all of the information for all of the branches
> in a single tag on the main branch.

For all of the branches of that HUB or for all branches on all HUBs?

Regards,

Jac

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