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Re: [wxperl-users] DCPaint Widget Question

[Mark D. <mar...@zn...>]

Hi,

I was trying to explain a lot of steps and concepts when really some
example code would have been better.

As I want to complete something myself where I have to move drawn
objects about a canvas, I made sure what I was proposing actually works
with an example which I've posted at:

http://www.wxperl.co.uk/example3.pl.txt

I'm not sure if it would work with the wxGDI interface, but if I had a
lot of objects to draw I could speed up the user experience by doing the
actual drawing to a separate memoryDC only when the drawing objects
actually changed. Then for screen updates, I'd use the built-in fast
bitmap BitBit function ($dc->Blit() ) to just copy the region of the
bitmap I needed to update to the screen.

But with fewer objects to draw, the approach in the example should work
just fine.

Regards

Mark

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Re: [wxperl-users] DCPaint Widget Question

[Vaughn S. <vau...@in...>]

Mark,

I have a lot of what I have been seeking to accomplish now implemented; 
the ability to select, undo, redo, etc., work fluently (thanks!).

Question ... where would be a good place to look for information on 
"refresh" and "update" as you have listed below?

The reason I ask deals with the difficulties that I am having perfecting 
a "move" transaction.  Selecting the object at the init location is OK, 
drawing it at the destination is OK, but I'm looking to maintain the 
rectangle on the tip of the cursor as I gently move it around the 
canvas.

The brute force manner that I am accomplishing it right now is to 
constantly delete the rectangle at the formerly drawn position ... 
briefly draw it at the current mouse (X,Y) ... and repeat each interval 
as you continue to move the cursor.  Lots of processing ... & the paint 
subroutine I use basically redraws *everything* ... not just the single 
rectangle I have selected to move.

Thoughts?  I am hoping that I can somehow instruct wxPerl to simply 
update the draw of the selected item instead of the whole sheet.

Thanks,

Vaughn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Dootson" <mar...@zn...>
To: "Vaughn Staples" <vau...@in...>
Cc: "Gene Beaumont" <gen...@in...>; 
<wxp...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [wxperl-users] DCPaint Widget Question


Hi,

wxWidgets DC is drawing not my area, but you are going to have to become
familiar with the way device contexts and, I think, drag and drop work
in wxWidgets.

You'll have a fair bit of reading to do! (You need the wxWidgets help
file(s) )

I did once have occasion to have to do some drawing in MSWin, so I think
the basic concepts are as follows: Perhaps someone else more experienced
can post any errors or even point out complete misunderstanding :-)

For an example, you have your DC and you want to draw two elements on it
- a rectangle and a text string.
You need to retain the details of the elements and draw them all each
time the GUI events request that you do so.

So, every time you get an 'OnPaint' event from your Wx::PaintDC object,
call the drawing code for all your elements. At this stage, the location
on the DC that your elements get drawn to is always the same so you
would always be using
$dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxCOPY);

To select and move the elements you will need to become familiar with
responding to mouse events and probably 'drag and drop.'
Essentially all you really want to do is reset the position of your
element on the DC in response to some mouse actions.

To give user the feeling of 'dragging' the element, when the user
presses the mouse down in your window, you need to get the
xy position of the mouse from the event.

The outside bounds of each of your drawing elements can be described by
a Wx::Rect object.
You can construct this for your 'rectangle' element, simply by recording
the x,y,w,h coordinates you used to create it. The bounding rectangle of
your text can be found by calling $dc->GetTextExtent().

You would probably keep some objects of your own devising that define
each separate drawing element in an array, with each object containing
the necessary primitive information along with the bounding Wx::Rect.

So, when you get an xy position for the mouse, you can iterate through
the array checking each objects Wx::Rect member to see if the xy is
within that rect. ($rect->Contains()).
The ordering of the array is important so that if the elements on screen
overlap, you get the topmost one returned for the xy position.

Once you know which object has been selected by the mouse, you can
respond to a 'drag' operation by simply drawing its bounding rect
outline.

For this you would use $dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxINVERT);
Once that is set, repeating a drawing operation simply reverts the
affected elements to the original colour (so it would work on a
background containing many colours).

So, you would have a 'draw_dragged_object' sub that accepted a bounding
rect as a param and some flag or method of knowing if this is the start
of a dragging operation or the end of the operation.

So

sub draw_dragged_object {
  my ($self, $obj, $startend, $dc) = @_;
  if($startend !~ /START/) {
$self->_draw_invert_rect(elf->{_prior_rect},$dc )
}
  if($startend !~ /END/) {
  $self->_draw_invert_rect( $obj->Rect, $dc );
}
  $self->{_prior_rect} = $obj->Rect;
}

sub _draw_invert_rect {
  my($self, $rect, $dc) = @_;
  my $savelogic = $dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxINVERT);
  .... Do drawing
  $dc->SetLogicalFunction( $savelogic );
}

When the mouse is released, you can save the position of your moved
object and then you can go for the full redraw.
(I think Update or Refresh will do this)?

Then the standard OnPaint response of simply redrawing the objects will
work

The bounding area of any irregular object can be represented by a
Wx::Region (so you can do the selection test.)

The Demo module you need to look at is wxPrinting.pm

Hope this helps get you started at least.

Regards

Mark

Re: [wxperl-users] Questing on interacting with Tar

[Evan R. <er...@ii...>]

All of your advice so far has been great.<BR>
<BR>
Hopefully one last question for you and the list.<BR>
<BR>
When I execute gnuwin32 tar (called tar.exe), I get an error saying "functi=
on not implemented".&nbsp; I should mention, contrary to other information =
on the internet, that I am not running compression through tar.<BR>
<BR>
If I use the alternative bsdtar for windows, everything's great.&nbsp; Howe=
ver, there is no inbuilt verification function.<BR>
<BR>
What gives?&nbsp; Has anyone ever resolved this?<BR>
<BR>
Evan.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<B>On Sun Mar 18 1:53 , Mattia Barbon <MAT...@LI...>sent:<BR>
<BR>
</B>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5p=
x; BORDER-LEFT: #5167c6 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 1=
3:50:49 +0900<BR>
Evan Read &lt;<A href=3D"javascript:top.opencompose('er...@ii...',''=
,'','')">er...@ii...</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>
<BR>
Hi,<BR>
<BR>
<SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #ff0000">&gt; I am currently writing my first wxperl =
program. What I am doing is</SPAN><BR>
<SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #ff0000">&gt; taking a user selection of a source dir=
 and a destination dir and am</SPAN><BR>
<SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #ff0000">&gt; taring up the source dir to the destina=
tion dir.</SPAN><BR>
<BR>
I haven't looked at the code yet, but I suggest you take a look<BR>
at Wx::Execute and Wx::Process ("::wxExecute" and "wxProcess" in the<BR>
wxWidgets documentation). They allow to (a)synchronously execute<BR>
subprocesses with input/output redirection, to portably send signals<BR>
and terminate processes and offer termination notification callbacks.<BR>
<BR>
Regards<BR>
Mattia<BR>
<BR>
# execute asyncronously<BR>
my $proc =3D MyProcess-&gt;new;<BR>
my $pid =3D Wx::ExecuteArgs( [$progname, @args], 0, $proc );<BR>
# use $proc to control the program<BR>
# OnTerminate will be called when the process finishes<BR>
<BR>
package MyProcess;<BR>
<BR>
use strict;<BR>
use base qw(Wx::Process);<BR>
<BR>
sub new {<BR>
my $class =3D shift;<BR>
my $this =3D $class-&gt;SUPER::new();<BR>
<BR>
return $this;<BR>
}<BR>
<BR>
sub OnTerminate {<BR>
my( $this, $pid, $status ) =3D @_;<BR>
<BR>
Wx::LogMessage( "Process '$pid' terminated with status $status" );<BR>
}<BR>
<BR>
1;<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>=

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[wxperl-users] Wx::Perl::ListCtrl

[Mark D. <mar...@zn...>]

Hi,

Attached diff fixes documented problem with
Wx::Perl::ListCtrl->SetItemData being called LONG_MAX or more times.

It also includes tests too.

Fix involves reseting index values for all items every 2147483640th time
SetItemData is called.

Knowing that if I had a Wx::Perl::ListCtrl open on my desktop which
refreshed every minute with 3000 items, it would crash on the 497th day
caused me great concern :-)

Clearly I need to get out of the house more.

Mark

Re: [wxperl-users] DCPaint Widget Question

[Mark D. <mar...@zn...>]

Hi,

Just a couple of addenda:

The OnPaint event, of course, comes from your Window, not the DC.

my $savelogic = $dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxINVERT);
- Completely wrong toolkit :-)

You'd need
my $savelogic = $dc->GetLogicalFunction();
$dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxINVERT);

Re: [wxperl-users] DCPaint Widget Question

[Mark D. <mar...@zn...>]

Hi,

wxWidgets DC is drawing not my area, but you are going to have to become
familiar with the way device contexts and, I think, drag and drop work
in wxWidgets.

You'll have a fair bit of reading to do! (You need the wxWidgets help
file(s) )

I did once have occasion to have to do some drawing in MSWin, so I think
the basic concepts are as follows: Perhaps someone else more experienced
can post any errors or even point out complete misunderstanding :-)

For an example, you have your DC and you want to draw two elements on it
- a rectangle and a text string.
You need to retain the details of the elements and draw them all each
time the GUI events request that you do so.

So, every time you get an 'OnPaint' event from your Wx::PaintDC object,
call the drawing code for all your elements. At this stage, the location
on the DC that your elements get drawn to is always the same so you
would always be using
$dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxCOPY);

To select and move the elements you will need to become familiar with
responding to mouse events and probably 'drag and drop.'
Essentially all you really want to do is reset the position of your
element on the DC in response to some mouse actions.

To give user the feeling of 'dragging' the element, when the user
presses the mouse down in your window, you need to get the
xy position of the mouse from the event.

The outside bounds of each of your drawing elements can be described by
a Wx::Rect object.
You can construct this for your 'rectangle' element, simply by recording
the x,y,w,h coordinates you used to create it. The bounding rectangle of
your text can be found by calling $dc->GetTextExtent().

You would probably keep some objects of your own devising that define
each separate drawing element in an array, with each object containing
the necessary primitive information along with the bounding Wx::Rect.

So, when you get an xy position for the mouse, you can iterate through
the array checking each objects Wx::Rect member to see if the xy is
within that rect. ($rect->Contains()).
The ordering of the array is important so that if the elements on screen
overlap, you get the topmost one returned for the xy position.

Once you know which object has been selected by the mouse, you can
respond to a 'drag' operation by simply drawing its bounding rect
outline.

For this you would use $dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxINVERT);
Once that is set, repeating a drawing operation simply reverts the
affected elements to the original colour (so it would work on a
background containing many colours).

So, you would have a 'draw_dragged_object' sub that accepted a bounding
rect as a param and some flag or method of knowing if this is the start
of a dragging operation or the end of the operation.

So

sub draw_dragged_object {
  my ($self, $obj, $startend, $dc) = @_;
  if($startend !~ /START/) {
$self->_draw_invert_rect(elf->{_prior_rect},$dc )
}
  if($startend !~ /END/) {
  $self->_draw_invert_rect( $obj->Rect, $dc );
}
  $self->{_prior_rect} = $obj->Rect;
}

sub _draw_invert_rect {
  my($self, $rect, $dc) = @_;
  my $savelogic = $dc->SetLogicalFunction(wxINVERT);
  .... Do drawing
  $dc->SetLogicalFunction( $savelogic );
}

When the mouse is released, you can save the position of your moved
object and then you can go for the full redraw.
(I think Update or Refresh will do this)?

Then the standard OnPaint response of simply redrawing the objects will
work

The bounding area of any irregular object can be represented by a
Wx::Region (so you can do the selection test.)

The Demo module you need to look at is wxPrinting.pm

Hope this helps get you started at least.

Regards

Mark

Re: [wxperl-users] DCPaint Widget Question

[Vaughn S. <vau...@in...>]

Mark,

Good morning & thanks for the post.

Is there a particular source of information that I should seek for 
background information on the "SetLogicalFunction" method?  I've spent 
the last several hours scouring the 'net for details and have mostly 
come up empty handed.

I did locate several programming examples ... albeit nothing written in 
Perl.  The best (attached) is written in Python, and is unfortunately 
beyond my grasp in terms of how to implement in Perl.

In studying the attached, as a novice, it does spur recognition that the 
undo/redo capability is fundamental to marking up displayed images. 
Basic drawing (lines/rects/text) on an image is fairly straightforward. 
But interacting with the drawn primitives after-the-fact is really what 
I'm after ... the ability to select, move, delete ... and that's where 
I'm stuck.

Any further thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Vaughn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Dootson" <mar...@zn...>
To: "Gene Beaumont" <gen...@in...>
Cc: <wxp...@li...>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [wxperl-users] DCPaint Widget Question


Hi,

I assume you just want to remove individual items rather than clear the
whole canvas?

Sorry, I have no code snippet but the function you need is

Wx::DC::SetLogicalFunction

The general approach is to repeat the drawing code after setting the
appropriate logical function - so overwriting returns you to the
original background. I don't have the correct logical functions to use,
but hopefully this points you in the right direction.

Regards

Mark


Gene Beaumont wrote:
> Can anyone supply info and/or code snippet concerning how to undo/redo
> text & primitives that are drawn on a canvas that is created via the
> following:
>
>      my $dc = Wx::PaintDC->new( $self );
>
> Thanks,
> Gene
>
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Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[herbert b. <dei...@we...>]

Hello Bob
> Being "dead", for a software, means that no one uses
> it.
> Or rather, it is used only by a few lovers. 
I use it, a friend use it for commercial thing and many other do also.
> But love is a form of folly; 
thats the most possible untrue sentence. love is most important thing of 
all.

The official wx documented containes all you need for wxperl, all 
exception for wxperl are noted on place.
it was always all i needed but i wrote also an good tutorial (in german).

What you also miss is the fact is that Wx is designed for heavy app 
devlopement, with more complex GUI
and more control over it than Tk. Therefore you have to pay some more 
typing taxes so choose wisely for
your purpose. A gui designer can you still leave you most of control 
over GUI if you know the ID or use
XRC.  Wx  is mostly easy because it alswas resambles the same order of 
parameter, most things are easy
that way its only different.

If Tk serves you well, fine keep using it and be happy but bashing wx 
with an uninformed opinion doesnt
makes you look good. the things you wrote are beginner level information 
which almost all people know here,
as far as they were correct. and please keep in mind that tk has in the 
perl arena much more userbase while
wx is still small. and yes wxperl has shortcomming as Perl/Tk has but 
please inform yourself a bit more,
than  it makes sense to talk about. try to make clear for yourself what 
you want to accomplish, than
you can get benefical results for you. just whining about how bad wx is, 
will you give nothing nor helpes us.


god bless
herbert

Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Sergei S. <ser...@ya...>]

--- Johan Vromans <jvr...@sq...> wrote:

> Bob Hunter <cat...@ya...> writes:
> 
> > [...] it does not follow the standard philosophy of PERL,
> 
> ... which is spelled Perl, not PERL.
> 
> -- Johan
> 
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Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Johan V. <jvr...@sq...>]

Bob Hunter <cat...@ya...> writes:

> Take Tk, for example. [... all good ...]
> By comparison, wxPerl [... all bad ...]

We (speaking on behalf of the wxPerl users) do not force you to use
wxPerl. 

> I think wxPerl will die sooner than later. I think it is dead
> already.

I'm sorry to feel your deep disappointment in wxPerl. 

Now, if you would be willing to set aside your grieve and try to
communicate with us you may get the help you want. Calling wxPerl dead
will definitely not.

-- Johan

Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Johan V. <jvr...@sq...>]

Bob Hunter <cat...@ya...> writes:

> [...] it does not follow the standard philosophy of PERL,

... which is spelled Perl, not PERL.

-- Johan

Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Bob H. <cat...@ya...>]

Being "dead", for a software, means that no one uses
it.
Or rather, it is used only by a few lovers. But love
is 
a form of folly; you do not see it for what it truly
is.

I like Tk because 

1. it is well documented (new users can learn it, with
no need to write the documentation, given that they
cannot write what they are supposed to learn in the
first place)

2. it is intellectually manageable (Tk was designer by
Prof. John Ousterhout, who conceived it as such. You
first draw by hand your interface, with paper and
pencil, then convert the design into code, leveraging
on intuition and using code that actually means
something with respect to the design.)

By comparison, wxPerl is not documented at all (new
users have to read wxPerl's source code to understand
what and how they can do with it), and it is not
intellectually manageable (the API is
counterintuitive, as it does not follow the standard
philosophy of PERL,  and the code includes all sorts
of objects that have no reference to the design, that
is, objects that you can only see with the mind, not
with your eyes when looking at the drawings). The only
way to use wxPerl is via an interface builder, which
does all the coding for you, and you have to trust it,
and like it, for whatever code it generates, even when
this code clutters your own and keeps clashing with
your real tasks.

Life does not need to be that hard. I understand that
you like it that way, but hey! There are people who
like suffering. I am not one of them.

Bob



 
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Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Eriam S. <er...@er...>]

> told to make it yourself. I think wxPerl will die
> sooner than later. I think it is dead already.
>

Free software never dies, just think about it and document yourself.

Eriam

[wxperl-users] [ wxperl-Feature Requests-1684201 ] InFeature

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Feature Requests item #1684201, was opened at 2007-03-20 02:23
Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter
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Status: Open
Priority: 5
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Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: InFeature 

Initial Comment:
// System menu IDs (used by wxUniv):
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Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[herbert b. <dei...@we...>]

in german we say totgesagte leben länger. in english things you call 
dead, tend to live longer.
i dont think wxperl is dead. i see it more and more accepting. shure 
there could be more docs.
im willing to fix that too (curently im writing some dics for perl6).

you seem to be frustrated, sorry for that, but call id thatswhy dead 
seems a bit immature to me
(not because you flamed my vi äh wx) . wxperl is far younger but has an 
better coverage on perl.com
(and will have when my article come out) there are also docs on 
perlmonks. the wx book come finaly
out and i think its a matter of time when the wxperl book will come out. 
i dont really feel that im enough
qualified to write that one but i thought about it since i know some guy 
who work for oreilly

we will see
all best to you
> There are other open-source projects who do not demand
> the users to get involved with their internal
> development. Take Tk, for example. It is open-source,
> and has no less than two books devoted to introduce
> and master tkPerl. The books are specific for tkPerl,
> not for Tk, and guide the novel user step-by-step, all
> the way to mastering this gui. By comparison, wxPerl
> has no documentation, and when you ask for it, you are
> told to make it yourself. I think wxPerl will die
> sooner than later. I think it is dead already.
>
> Good luck with you love.
>
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Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Bob H. <cat...@ya...>]

There are other open-source projects who do not demand
the users to get involved with their internal
development. Take Tk, for example. It is open-source,
and has no less than two books devoted to introduce
and master tkPerl. The books are specific for tkPerl,
not for Tk, and guide the novel user step-by-step, all
the way to mastering this gui. By comparison, wxPerl
has no documentation, and when you ask for it, you are
told to make it yourself. I think wxPerl will die
sooner than later. I think it is dead already.

Good luck with you love.



 
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Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Bob H. <cat...@ya...>]

Hi Mark,

Your messages keep falling into the SPAM bin, and do
it without any intervention from me. Your address is
blacklisted, and it does not matter whether it comes
from the private website of a bore, as this type of
filtering does not need to know who you are.

Best regards
Bob



 
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Re: [wxperl-users] porting a perl/tk application to perl/wx

[Eriam S. <er...@er...>]

>
> I would be most grateful if you could post details of where my address
> is blacklisted. I appreciate that posting from an address at a domain
> registered in my own name is a bit of a giveaway. Perhaps I should sign
> up with Yahoo and undergo the stringent identification procedures.
>

No problems here with any blacklisting of any sort.

Then for those who hates things.

About the documentation: if you don't like it then improve it, about
wxPerl API, if you don't like it improve it, about free software, if you
don't like them don't use them. And if you don't like your job, get
another job, that should be possible.

Then if you hate all those things, I understand that you'd like to hurt
the people who actually do like these things. But you have to think about
the fact that most people, as human being, try to behave consciently. It's
not always easy but it's worth the effort.

So please, stop hating and start respecting the work of others.

Thank you

Eriam

Re: [wxperl-users] (no subject)

[Mattia B. <mat...@li...>]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:05:25 +0100
Sandor Miskey <s...@nd...> wrote:

  Hi,

> I'm trying to use wxFRAME_EX_METAL style with no success (Mac OS X  
> 10.4.9, wxMac 2.6.3
> wxPerl 0.57). Is it possible? Do I have to prepare it while compiling  
> wxWidgets/wxPerl?

  It should be avilable with wxWidgets 2.6.0 and above. Which error
do you get?

Regards
Mattia