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Re: [wxperl-users] wxPerl Community project...
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From: Octavian R. <ora...@gm...> - 2007-02-13 07:12:31
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Hi, I am less than a beginner in WXPerl, and maybe it will help you if I tell you what stopped me learning WXPerl. I have tried first learning WXPerl, (before using Win32::GUI) and I didn't like its syntax. The Win32::GUI syntax is much clear. Well I think the syntax cannot be changed, but maybe it could be better explained (like for those who don't know C or other languages than perl). Then I have tried some WXPerl demos and here I found many issues. There are many widgets that are not accessible for everyone (I am blind and I am using a screen reader). For example, the HTML widget is not accessible. Maybe some widgets depend on WX widgets and cannot be made accessible in WXPerl, but I think all the demos should be as much accessible as possible only using a keyboard (with no mouse). Regarding the accessibility, Win32::GUI is much better accessible. I became interested again in WXPerl, because Win32::GUI doesn't support UTF-8 and I need this, but I still find it same inaccessible and hard to learn. I have tried reading the WXPerl manual (that in .chm format), but I have seen that for very many widgets and methods "this is not implemented in WXPerl yet" and this is not very encouraging. And I have also seen that WXPython is better promoted. (Too bad, because I don't know Python). Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Foo JH" <jhf...@ex...> To: "Huub Peters" <hu...@tr...> Cc: <wxp...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [wxperl-users] wxPerl Community project... > Firstly, I'd like to applaud Peters for his proactive stance towards the > problem statement. > > I think there's a (relatively) small but helpful community in this > mailing list, who have once faced the pain of learning the wxPerl > framework, but have since learnt enough on their own to be less bothered > by them. > > I however am one who sort of got stuck with the pain, and have since > resorted to C# to get around the issues. It's a sad departure, and one > I'd like to return to again. Contrary to popular belief, programming > stuff in Perl is REALLY fast and efficient (but the memory footprint can > be improved...). > > Like any other community, wxPerl needs to be friendly to 'new blood'. > And for these people, we need something simple for them to get started > on. What we have now are: > 1. A couple of aged tutorials from perl.com and sourceforge.net > 2. A few sets of integrated demos showing how the GUI components work, > with source codes > 3. An aged documentation on the classes > > IMHO, these stuff are good, but need some form of updating to the more > recent library. Looking at how 'others have done it', a constant (if > even a trickle) stream of tips and tricks will be very encouraging, > especially for people who need to know if wxPerl will be worth their > time and effort. > > Let's face it. Perl is really starting to look like Cobol in the sense > of mindshare of the developer community. Slashdot ppl have been > questioning the relavance of Perl in today's OS environments. And it's > not because Perl sucks, but because they don't see anything new coming > from this community. It's a human mentality, and it is a self-fulfilling > prophecy. > > To sum it up, if we can get a few good men to put up a fresh new look > for wxPerl, I'm all for it. Just let me know where I can butt in. > > > > > Huub Peters wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> I know many others have proposed it in the past and (maybe not so) many >> initiatives have been actually executed but we really need a central >> community kind of place. >> >> The german wiki (http://www.wxperl.de) is a mess (spammed all the time >> and even a defacing at this moment). >> The wiki at http://wxperl.pvoice.org/kwiki/ is a nice effort but only >> thanks to some users (or even only one? jralls?) it is staying free of >> spam but there are no new articles posted at all. Why? Don't know. >> It's probably not known and personaly I just don't like the >> Kwiki-software >> but that's a matter of taste off course. >> (On a side note: Jouke (whose place this wiki is hosted on) has anounced >> on his weblog on 24-09-2006 that he will be offline for an undetermined >> ammount of time due to personal issues. Otherwise I would have taken this >> up with him directly to begin with.) >> >> There are other spots with excelent stuff (like gigi.co.uk) but I only >> heard >> about that on this list and it is decentralized this way. >> >> I can go on with being negative and summing up what I think is "wrong" >> and compare to "the great wxPython community" but that won't solve a >> thing >> so here's what I came up with: >> >> * I took the liberty of registering wxperl.info. >> A good domain name improves "findability" >> * I'm in the lucky position of having hosting facilities and a lot of >> fast bandwidth to go with it that I can use. (the company where I work >> has no problems with me using it) >> * I started writing this mail :-) >> >> So what's next...? >> Next I need ideas and help. >> >> Here are some of my ideas: >> * We need a user friendly, nice looking wiki. >> Something like "Mediawiki" (the heart of Wikipedia) but offcourse I >> can't live with a perl community on a php-driven site so after some >> searching I found Twiki: http://www.twiki.org which looks robust >> enough >> to me. >> * We need tutorials >> * We need Howto's. >> * We need tips and tricks. >> * Maybe write up the problems and solutions from the mailing list. >> * Maybe a forum for some nice discussions (alltough it might clash with >> the mailing list) >> * Show of your work. >> >> Bottom line: we need a central community where beginners and experts can >> teach and learn about wxPerl. >> I'm trying to offer the place to start this and hope it will grow to be >> as >> big as >> wxPerl deserves it to be. >> >> E-mail me on or off list with your thoughts/ideas/offers etcetera and >> maybe we'll have a nice community in no time. >> >> Huub Peters >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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