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[wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Andy D. <a.d...@ms...>]

"Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6. Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time ago, and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible to create UWP applications on Windows 10."

ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets

I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no one has said that it works for them.

Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 but may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Charles S. <g3...@gm...>]

Andy

2.8.0 works fine on Windows 7.  I use it daily.

73

Charlie

On Thu, 1 May 2025 at 14:34, Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel <
wsj...@li...> wrote:

> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6.
> Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time ago,
> and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows
> versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a
> target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in
> Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows support
> available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible to create UWP applications
> on Windows 10."
>
> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>
> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no one
> has said that it works for them.
>
> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It
> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 but
> may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Adrian <vk...@gm...>]

Apart from Uwe's special QT6 test branch, which we gave up on recently 
until QT6 is fixed, ... we are building with QT5,

which are the releases yes ? I do not understand the concern with 
existing  regarding QT6 support ?


73


vk4tux

On 1/5/25 23:03, Charles Suckling via wsjt-devel wrote:
> Andy
>
> 2.8.0 works fine on Windows 7.  I use it daily.
>
> 73
>
> Charlie
>
> On Thu, 1 May 2025 at 14:34, Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel 
> <wsj...@li...> wrote:
>
>     "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for
>     Qt 6. Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions
>     some time ago, and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support
>     for these windows versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and
>     64bit) was supported as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1
>     (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that
>     we will not have 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it
>     will no longer be possible to create UWP applications on Windows 10."
>
>     ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>
>     I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1
>     and no one has said that it works for them.
>
>     Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It
>     currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for
>     2.7.0 but may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>
>     73,
>     Andy, k3wyc
>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Uwe, D. <dg...@gm...>]

Hi Andy,

You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. Like 
always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages for all 
WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. This gives 
the best possible backwards compatibility (down to Windows 7), as well 
as the rest results in terms of rendering the various controls (also 
when Dark Style is enabled). This tool chain has not been changed over 
the past months.

As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with your 
"special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these tests, you 
confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 computer. And no 
one else has ever reported similar issues than you with your setup.

Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't understand 
why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 in addition to 
the existing Qt5 source code, then any further discussion about it here 
is not worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who know what this is for are very 
grateful for this work. And if at some point in the future you should 
buy more modern equipment (maybe even Linux-based), then you will be 
grateful to us one day why we were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 
2025 to develop the necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.

73 de DG2YCB,
Uwe
________________________________________
German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
Dr. Uwe Risse
eMail: dg...@gm...
Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB


Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6. 
> Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time 
> ago, and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these 
> windows versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was 
> supported as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 
> 64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 
> 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it will no longer be 
> possible to create UWP applications on Windows 10."
>
> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>
> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no 
> one has said that it works for them.
>
> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised? It 
> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 
> but may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> wsjt-devel mailing list
> wsj...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel

Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Greg W. <gw...@po...>]

<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.<div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><br><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel &lt;wsj...@li...&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">

  
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  
  
    Hi Andy,<br>
    <br>
    You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements.
    Like always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages
    for all WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12.
    This gives the best possible backwards compatibility (down to
    Windows 7), as well as the rest results in terms of rendering the
    various controls (also when Dark Style is enabled). This tool chain
    has not been changed over the past months. <br>
    <br>
    As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with
    your "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these
    tests, you confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10
    computer. And no one else has ever reported similar issues than you
    with your setup.<br>
    <br>
    Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't
    understand why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6
    in addition to the existing Qt5 source code, then any further
    discussion about it here is not worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who
    know what this is for are very grateful for this work. And if at
    some point in the future you should buy more modern equipment (maybe
    even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us one day why we
    were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the
    necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.<br>
    <div class="moz-signature"><br>
      73 de DG2YCB,<br>
      Uwe<br>
      ________________________________________<br>
      German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB<br>
      Dr. Uwe Risse<br>
      eMail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dg...@gm...">dg...@gm...</a><br>
      Info: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB">www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy
      Durbin via wsjt-devel:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:DM4...@DM...">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        "Both <span style="font-weight: 700;">Windows 7 or 8.x</span>&nbsp;version
        support will not be available for Qt 6. Microsoft discontinued
        the support for both Windows versions some time ago, and as a
        vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows
        versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported
        as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and
        64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not
        have 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it will no
        longer be possible to create <span style="font-weight: 700;">UWP</span>&nbsp;applications
        on Windows 10."</div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        ref - <a href="https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets" id="LPlnk307179" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
          https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets</a></div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1
        and no one has said that it works for them.</div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?&nbsp;
        It currently states - "&nbsp;(Windows 7 and later)" which was true
        for 2.7.0 but may not be true if later official releases use
        Qt6.</div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div class="elementToProof" style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
        73,</div>
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        Andy, k3wyc</div>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Tom H. <rdr...@gm...>]

Greg,

Your comments are not totally fair.  First, many of us are using computers
that cannot be upgraded to Windows 11, so it isn't FREE.  Sorry, I live on
Social Security and cannot afford to just go out and dump a bunch of money
on a newer computer.  Second, Windows 11 still has compatibility issues
with some of the software I run so I am staying put for now.  Third,
Windows 10 doesn't even play nice at this late stage in its support life
with everything I use!

Yes, I am concerned about what will happen with the .NET framework for
Windows 10 after it is no longer supported as there are several things I
use (like WinLink Express) that may no longer work on Windows 10, but for
now I am where I am and that is that!!

Thanks for seeing others' perspectives!

Tom Hauer, K0YA
ARES Emergency Coordinator
Blanco, Burnet, Llano and Mason Counties
ARRL ARES District 8, STX Section
TDEM RACES District 12-053
Burnet County CERT
319 551-9788
rdr...@gm...
PO Box 1522 (mailing ADR)
11700 E FM 1431 R37
Marble Falls, Tx 78654
EM00wn
Latitude:  30.568805
Longitude:  -98.140287



On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 10:25 AM Greg Walls via wsjt-devel <
wsj...@li...> wrote:

> As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an
> unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? I
> wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel <
> wsj...@li...> wrote:
>
>  Hi Andy,
>
> You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. Like
> always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages for all
> WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. This gives the
> best possible backwards compatibility (down to Windows 7), as well as the
> rest results in terms of rendering the various controls (also when Dark
> Style is enabled). This tool chain has not been changed over the past
> months.
>
> As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with your
> "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these tests, you
> confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 computer. And no one
> else has ever reported similar issues than you with your setup.
>
> Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't understand
> why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 in addition to the
> existing Qt5 source code, then any further discussion about it here is not
> worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who know what this is for are very grateful
> for this work. And if at some point in the future you should buy more
> modern equipment (maybe even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us
> one day why we were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the
> necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.
>
> 73 de DG2YCB,
> Uwe
> ________________________________________
> German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
> Dr. Uwe Risse
> eMail: dg...@gm...
> Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB
>
>
> Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
>
> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6.
> Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time ago,
> and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows
> versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a
> target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in
> Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows support
> available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible to create UWP applications
> on Windows 10."
>
> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>
> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no one
> has said that it works for them.
>
> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It
> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 but
> may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> wsj...@li...
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Tom H. <rdr...@gm...>]

Greg,

Your comments are not totally fair.  First, many of us are using computers
that cannot be upgraded to Windows 11, so it isn't FREE.  Sorry, I live on
Social Security and cannot afford to just go out and dump a bunch of money
on a newer computer.  Second, Windows 11 still has compatibility issues
with some of the software I run so I am staying put for now.  Third,
Windows 10 doesn't even play nice at this late stage in its support life
with everything I use!

Yes, I am concerned about what will happen with the .NET framework for
Windows 10 after it is no longer supported as there are several things I
use (like WinLink Express) that may no longer work on Windows 10, but for
now I am where I am and that is that!!

Thanks for seeing others' perspectives!

Tom Hauer, K0YA
ARES Emergency Coordinator
Blanco, Burnet, Llano and Mason Counties
ARRL ARES District 8, STX Section
TDEM RACES District 12-053
Burnet County CERT
319 551-9788
rdr...@gm...
PO Box 1522 (mailing ADR)
11700 E FM 1431 R37
Marble Falls, Tx 78654
EM00wn
Latitude:  30.568805
Longitude:  -98.140287



On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 10:25 AM Greg Walls via wsjt-devel <
wsj...@li...> wrote:

> As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an
> unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? I
> wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel <
> wsj...@li...> wrote:
>
>  Hi Andy,
>
> You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. Like
> always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages for all
> WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. This gives the
> best possible backwards compatibility (down to Windows 7), as well as the
> rest results in terms of rendering the various controls (also when Dark
> Style is enabled). This tool chain has not been changed over the past
> months.
>
> As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with your
> "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these tests, you
> confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 computer. And no one
> else has ever reported similar issues than you with your setup.
>
> Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't understand
> why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 in addition to the
> existing Qt5 source code, then any further discussion about it here is not
> worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who know what this is for are very grateful
> for this work. And if at some point in the future you should buy more
> modern equipment (maybe even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us
> one day why we were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the
> necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.
>
> 73 de DG2YCB,
> Uwe
> ________________________________________
> German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
> Dr. Uwe Risse
> eMail: dg...@gm...
> Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB
>
>
> Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
>
> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6.
> Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time ago,
> and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows
> versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a
> target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in
> Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows support
> available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible to create UWP applications
> on Windows 10."
>
> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>
> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no one
> has said that it works for them.
>
> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It
> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 but
> may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Greg W. <gw...@po...>]

<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I get it and have two comments.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>1. I did a quick search on Amazon and found a decent Windows 11 PC that is refurbished for $240. Don’t overlook those. I have helped many friends get those and have never had a problem.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:20C27C8B-1E66-4C5C-AEF3-15455051A0B3" width="834" alt="image"></div><div><br></div><div>2. Make friends with your local Bank’s IT Manager. Community Banks are often very willing to give away old PCs, otherwise they have to pay to dispose of them. Most banks replace their PCs every three or four years. Many IT Managers will require the hard drive be removed before disposing of the PC so all you would have to buy would be a cheap hard drive. You may be able to make a deal with them to come in and remove the hard drives from the old ones the next time they do a refresh and walk out with a bunch of them. Hint; Emphasize ARES. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Over the years I have been privileged to give away literally hundreds of PCs.&nbsp;</span>I am retired now but I may still be able to get a PC for free from time to time. I’m not sure where you are but if you live anywhere close to South Georgia, I’d be happy to let you know when I get another one.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 1, 2025, at 1:36 PM, Tom Hauer &lt;rdr...@gm...&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail-aju" style="float:none;padding:0px 16px;display:flex;height:80px;min-width:40px;font-family:&quot;Google Sans&quot;,Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium"><div class="gmail-aCi" style=""><br><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Greg,</span></div></div><div class="gmail-gs" style="margin:0px;min-width:0px;padding:0px 0px 20px;width:auto;font-family:&quot;Google Sans&quot;,Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium"><div class="gmail-"><div id="gmail-:2re" class="gmail-ii gmail-gt" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-size:0.875rem;overflow-x:hidden"><div id="gmail-:2rf" class="gmail-a3s gmail-aiL" style="direction:ltr;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;overflow:auto hidden"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Your comments are not totally fair.&nbsp; First, many of us are using computers that cannot be upgraded to Windows 11,&nbsp;so it isn't FREE.&nbsp; Sorry, I live on Social Security and cannot afford to just go out and dump a bunch of money on a newer computer.&nbsp; Second, Windows 11 still has compatibility issues with some of the software I run so I am staying put for now.&nbsp; Third, Windows 10 doesn't even play nice at this late stage in its support life with everything I use!</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am concerned about what will happen with the .NET framework for Windows 10 after it is no longer supported as there are several things I use (like WinLink Express) that may no longer work on Windows 10, but for now I am where I am and that is that!!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for seeing others' perspectives!</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Tom Hauer, K0YA<div>ARES Emergency Coordinator</div><div>Blanco, Burnet, Llano and Mason Counties</div><div>ARRL ARES District 8, STX Section</div><div>TDEM RACES District 12-053</div><div>Burnet County CERT</div><div>319 551-9788<br></div><div><a href="mailto:rdr...@gm..." style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">rdr...@gm...</a></div><div>PO Box 1522 (mailing ADR)</div><div>11700 E FM 1431 R37</div><div>Marble Falls, Tx 78654</div><div>EM00wn</div><div>Latitude:&nbsp; 30.568805</div><div>Longitude:&nbsp; -98.140287</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 10:25 AM Greg Walls via wsjt-devel &lt;<a href="mailto:wsj...@li...">wsj...@li...</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.<div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div><br><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel &lt;<a href="mailto:wsj...@li..." target="_blank">wsj...@li...</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">

  
    
  
  
    Hi Andy,<br>
    <br>
    You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements.
    Like always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages
    for all WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12.
    This gives the best possible backwards compatibility (down to
    Windows 7), as well as the rest results in terms of rendering the
    various controls (also when Dark Style is enabled). This tool chain
    has not been changed over the past months. <br>
    <br>
    As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with
    your "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these
    tests, you confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10
    computer. And no one else has ever reported similar issues than you
    with your setup.<br>
    <br>
    Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't
    understand why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6
    in addition to the existing Qt5 source code, then any further
    discussion about it here is not worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who
    know what this is for are very grateful for this work. And if at
    some point in the future you should buy more modern equipment (maybe
    even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us one day why we
    were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the
    necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.<br>
    <div><br>
      73 de DG2YCB,<br>
      Uwe<br>
      ________________________________________<br>
      German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB<br>
      Dr. Uwe Risse<br>
      eMail: <a href="mailto:dg...@gm..." target="_blank">dg...@gm...</a><br>
      Info: <a href="http://www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB" target="_blank">www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <div>Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy
      Durbin via wsjt-devel:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        "Both <span style="font-weight:700">Windows 7 or 8.x</span>&nbsp;version
        support will not be available for Qt 6. Microsoft discontinued
        the support for both Windows versions some time ago, and as a
        vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows
        versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported
        as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and
        64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not
        have 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it will no
        longer be possible to create <span style="font-weight:700">UWP</span>&nbsp;applications
        on Windows 10."</div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        ref - <a href="https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets" id="m_802168972057515211LPlnk307179" target="_blank">
          https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets</a></div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1
        and no one has said that it works for them.</div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?&nbsp;
        It currently states - "&nbsp;(Windows 7 and later)" which was true
        for 2.7.0 but may not be true if later official releases use
        Qt6.</div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        <br>
      </div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        73,</div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
        Andy, k3wyc</div>
      <div style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[John L. B. <2si...@gm...>]

I am sorry but I could not resist. Some of us do have old cars. I am not 
driving my first car, but I do drive a 1957 Pontiac. A 1957 Pontiac was 
my 3rd and 4th car. I had one before I went into the US Army and another 
when I got out and could not resist buying this one when it came up for 
sale here in Prescott Valley, AZ, in 2014. It has won eight trophies at 
car shows since I bought it.:

https://tinyurl.com/My1957pontiacchieftain

John
Retired computer programmer/course developer and instructor/document 
writer AT&T Bell Laboratories/Lucent Technology

John L. Broughton
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www.wb9vgj.us

On 5/1/2025 8:22 AM, Greg Walls via wsjt-devel wrote:
> As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an 
> unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? 
> I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>
> Greg
>

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Gene M. <w8...@me...>]

Exactly John!

Retired CIO/CSO, IT since it WAS  IT!

;)

73 de W8NET Miles “Gene” Marsh
ARRL A1 Operator 
3905 Century Club Master #47
3905 Century Club 8th Area Director
Hurricane Watch Net member
Portage County Amateur Radio Service trustee

> On May 1, 2025, at 3:05 PM, John L. Broughton via wsjt-devel <wsj...@li...> wrote:
> 
> I am sorry but I could not resist. Some of us do have old cars. I am not driving my first car, but I do drive a 1957 Pontiac. A 1957 Pontiac was my 3rd and 4th car. I had one before I went into the US Army and another when I got out and could not resist buying this one when it came up for sale here in Prescott Valley, AZ, in 2014. It has won eight trophies at car shows since I bought it.:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/My1957pontiacchieftain
> 
> John
> Retired computer programmer/course developer and instructor/document writer AT&T Bell Laboratories/Lucent Technology
> 
> John L. Broughton
> 2si...@gm...
> www.wb9vgj.us
> 
>> On 5/1/2025 8:22 AM, Greg Walls via wsjt-devel wrote:
>> As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Larry B. <lar...@ve...>]

$$$ and upgrade difficulty, especially if the CPU is too old.

Larry / W1DYJ


On 5/1/2025 11:22, Greg Walls via wsjt-devel wrote:
> As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an 
> unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? 
> I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel 
>> <wsj...@li...> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Andy,
>>
>> You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. 
>> Like always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages 
>> for all WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. 
>> This gives the best possible backwards compatibility (down to Windows 
>> 7), as well as the rest results in terms of rendering the various 
>> controls (also when Dark Style is enabled). This tool chain has not 
>> been changed over the past months.
>>
>> As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with 
>> your "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these 
>> tests, you confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 
>> computer. And no one else has ever reported similar issues than you 
>> with your setup.
>>
>> Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't 
>> understand why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 
>> in addition to the existing Qt5 source code, then any further 
>> discussion about it here is not worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who know 
>> what this is for are very grateful for this work. And if at some 
>> point in the future you should buy more modern equipment (maybe even 
>> Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us one day why we were so 
>> wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the necessary source 
>> code for it and keep it up to date.
>>
>> 73 de DG2YCB,
>> Uwe
>> ________________________________________
>> German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
>> Dr. Uwe Risse
>> eMail: dg...@gm...
>> Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB
>>
>>
>> Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
>>> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 
>>> 6. Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some 
>>> time ago, and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for 
>>> these windows versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was 
>>> supported as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 
>>> 64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 
>>> 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it will no longer be 
>>> possible to create UWP applications on Windows 10."
>>>
>>> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>>>
>>> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and 
>>> no one has said that it works for them.
>>>
>>> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It 
>>> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 
>>> but may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Joe <ns...@mw...>]

I agree, My win 10 machine here can outperform 75% of available win 11 
machines ya can buy.

but it can't use Win 11 because of the security crap it insists on having.

let ME decide if i want the extra level of security.

All Win 11 is a way for them to make everyone buy new stuff

Joe WB9SBD

On 5/1/2025 10:57 AM, Larry Banks via wsjt-devel wrote:
> $$$ and upgrade difficulty, especially if the CPU is too old.
>
> Larry / W1DYJ
>
>
> On 5/1/2025 11:22, Greg Walls via wsjt-devel wrote:
>> As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an 
>> unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are 
>> free? I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel 
>>> <wsj...@li...> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Andy,
>>>
>>> You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. 
>>> Like always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages 
>>> for all WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. 
>>> This gives the best possible backwards compatibility (down to 
>>> Windows 7), as well as the rest results in terms of rendering the 
>>> various controls (also when Dark Style is enabled). This tool chain 
>>> has not been changed over the past months.
>>>
>>> As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with 
>>> your "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these 
>>> tests, you confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 
>>> computer. And no one else has ever reported similar issues than you 
>>> with your setup.
>>>
>>> Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't 
>>> understand why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 
>>> in addition to the existing Qt5 source code, then any further 
>>> discussion about it here is not worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who 
>>> know what this is for are very grateful for this work. And if at 
>>> some point in the future you should buy more modern equipment (maybe 
>>> even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us one day why we 
>>> were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the 
>>> necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.
>>>
>>> 73 de DG2YCB,
>>> Uwe
>>> ________________________________________
>>> German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
>>> Dr. Uwe Risse
>>> eMail: dg...@gm...
>>> Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
>>>> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 
>>>> 6. Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions 
>>>> some time ago, and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support 
>>>> for these windows versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 
>>>> 64bit) was supported as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 
>>>> (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that 
>>>> we will not have 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it 
>>>> will no longer be possible to create UWP applications on Windows 10."
>>>>
>>>> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>>>>
>>>> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and 
>>>> no one has said that it works for them.
>>>>
>>>> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It 
>>>> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 
>>>> 2.7.0 but may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Andy, k3wyc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Doug B. Sr. <dou...@gm...>]

Switch to Linux already! ;)

On Thu, May 1, 2025, 3:25 PM Joe via wsjt-devel <
wsj...@li...> wrote:

> I agree, My win 10 machine here can outperform 75% of available win 11
> machines ya can buy.
>
> but it can't use Win 11 because of the security crap it insists on having.
>
> let ME decide if i want the extra level of security.
>
> All Win 11 is a way for them to make everyone buy new stuff
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
> On 5/1/2025 10:57 AM, Larry Banks via wsjt-devel wrote:
>
> $$$ and upgrade difficulty, especially if the CPU is too old.
>
> Larry / W1DYJ
>
>
> On 5/1/2025 11:22, Greg Walls via wsjt-devel wrote:
>
> As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an
> unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? I
> wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel
> <wsj...@li...> <wsj...@li...>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Andy,
>
> You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. Like
> always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages for all
> WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. This gives the
> best possible backwards compatibility (down to Windows 7), as well as the
> rest results in terms of rendering the various controls (also when Dark
> Style is enabled). This tool chain has not been changed over the past
> months.
>
> As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with your
> "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these tests, you
> confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 computer. And no one
> else has ever reported similar issues than you with your setup.
>
> Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't understand
> why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 in addition to the
> existing Qt5 source code, then any further discussion about it here is not
> worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who know what this is for are very grateful
> for this work. And if at some point in the future you should buy more
> modern equipment (maybe even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us
> one day why we were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the
> necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.
>
> 73 de DG2YCB,
> Uwe
> ________________________________________
> German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
> Dr. Uwe Risse
> eMail: dg...@gm... <dg2ycb@gmxde>
> Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB
>
>
> Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
>
> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6.
> Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time ago,
> and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows
> versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a
> target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in
> Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows support
> available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible to create UWP applications
> on Windows 10."
>
> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>
> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no one
> has said that it works for them.
>
> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It
> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 but
> may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Joe <ns...@mw...>]

Yeah and not use 90% of my programs.

On 5/1/2025 2:28 PM, Doug Breault, Sr. wrote:
>
> Switch to Linux already! ;)
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2025, 3:25 PM Joe via wsjt-devel 
> <wsj...@li...> wrote:
>
>     I agree, My win 10 machine here can outperform 75% of available
>     win 11 machines ya can buy.
>
>     but it can't use Win 11 because of the security crap it insists on
>     having.
>
>     let ME decide if i want the extra level of security.
>
>     All Win 11 is a way for them to make everyone buy new stuff
>
>     Joe WB9SBD
>
>     On 5/1/2025 10:57 AM, Larry Banks via wsjt-devel wrote:
>>     $$$ and upgrade difficulty, especially if the CPU is too old.
>>
>>     Larry / W1DYJ
>>
>>
>>     On 5/1/2025 11:22, Greg Walls via wsjt-devel wrote:
>>>     As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on
>>>     an unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11
>>>     are free? I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.
>>>
>>>     Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>>     On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel
>>>>     <wsj...@li...>
>>>>     <mailto:wsj...@li...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Hi Andy,
>>>>
>>>>     You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked
>>>>     statements. Like always, and for good reasons, the Windows
>>>>     installation packages for all WSJT-X Improved versions are
>>>>     being created using Qt 5.12.12. This gives the best possible
>>>>     backwards compatibility (down to Windows 7), as well as the
>>>>     rest results in terms of rendering the various controls (also
>>>>     when Dark Style is enabled). This tool chain has not been
>>>>     changed over the past months.
>>>>
>>>>     As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you
>>>>     with your "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During
>>>>     these tests, you confirmed that all is working well on your
>>>>     Windows 10 computer. And no one else has ever reported similar
>>>>     issues than you with your setup.
>>>>
>>>>     Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't
>>>>     understand why we invest months of work to offer a data set for
>>>>     Qt6 in addition to the existing Qt5 source code, then any
>>>>     further discussion about it here is not worthwhile anyway.
>>>>     Other OMs who know what this is for are very grateful for this
>>>>     work. And if at some point in the future you should buy more
>>>>     modern equipment (maybe even Linux-based), then you will be
>>>>     grateful to us one day why we were so wise and foresighted in
>>>>     2024 and 2025 to develop the necessary source code for it and
>>>>     keep it up to date.
>>>>
>>>>     73 de DG2YCB,
>>>>     Uwe
>>>>     ________________________________________
>>>>     German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
>>>>     Dr. Uwe Risse
>>>>     eMail: dg...@gm... <mailto:dg2ycb@gmxde>
>>>>     Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB <http://www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
>>>>>     "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available
>>>>>     for Qt 6. Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows
>>>>>     versions some time ago, and as a vendor, we can no longer
>>>>>     maintain support for these windows versions in Qt 6. Windows 7
>>>>>     (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a target in Qt 5.15
>>>>>     LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in Qt
>>>>>     5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows
>>>>>     support available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible
>>>>>     to create UWP applications on Windows 10."
>>>>>
>>>>>     ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>>>>>
>>>>>     I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win
>>>>>     8.1 and no one has said that it works for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised? 
>>>>>     It currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true
>>>>>     for 2.7.0 but may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>>>>>
>>>>>     73,
>>>>>     Andy, k3wyc
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Joseph T. <jo...@Pr...>]

Please, guys!  ...  The purpose of this email list is to aid development of WSJT and its sister programs. It is not the place for discussing relative merits of different OS varieties and versions.

— 73, Joe, K1JT

________________________________
From: Joe via wsjt-devel
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 3:32 PM
To: Doug Breault, Sr.; WSJT software development
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

Yeah and not use 90% of my programs.

On 5/1/2025 2:28 PM, Doug Breault, Sr. wrote:

Switch to Linux already! ;)

On Thu, May 1, 2025, 3:25 PM Joe via wsjt-devel <wsj...@li...<mailto:wsj...@li...>> wrote:
I agree, My win 10 machine here can outperform 75% of available win 11 machines ya can buy.

but it can't use Win 11 because of the security crap it insists on having.

let ME decide if i want the extra level of security.

All Win 11 is a way for them to make everyone buy new stuff

Joe WB9SBD

On 5/1/2025 10:57 AM, Larry Banks via wsjt-devel wrote:
$$$ and upgrade difficulty, especially if the CPU is too old.

Larry / W1DYJ


On 5/1/2025 11:22, Greg Walls via wsjt-devel wrote:
As a former IT Professional of 32 years, why would anyone be on an unsupported platform, especially when upgrades to Windows 11 are free? I wonder if these guys are still driving their first car.

Greg



Sent from my iPad

On May 1, 2025, at 10:06 AM, Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel <wsj...@li...><mailto:wsj...@li...> wrote:

 Hi Andy,

You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. Like always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages for all WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. This gives the best possible backwards compatibility (down to Windows 7), as well as the rest results in terms of rendering the various controls (also when Dark Style is enabled). This tool chain has not been changed over the past months.

As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with your "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these tests, you confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 computer. And no one else has ever reported similar issues than you with your setup.

Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't understand why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 in addition to the existing Qt5 source code, then any further discussion about it here is not worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who know what this is for are very grateful for this work. And if at some point in the future you should buy more modern equipment (maybe even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us one day why we were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.

73 de DG2YCB,
Uwe
________________________________________
German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
Dr. Uwe Risse
eMail: dg...@gm...<mailto:dg2ycb@gmxde>
Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB<http://www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB>


Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
"Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6. Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time ago, and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows support available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible to create UWP applications on Windows 10."

ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets

I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no one has said that it works for them.

Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 but may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.

73,
Andy, k3wyc






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Re: [wsjt-devel] Windows compatibility WSJT-X and improved

[Hasan N. <hba...@gm...>]

For anyone on a tight budget, this NUC runs WSJT-X, DXLab Suites, Browser,
JTAlert, PJ Client and a host of other software, including zoom video, all
at the same time, with no more than 25% CPU use (and that is peak usage
during 50 decodes on FT8)

It is available, new, on Amazon, priced as low as $149, 16 gB RAM, 512 gB
SSD, USB 2 and 3, BlueTooth, Wireless ...Windows 11 Pro. 3 HDMI out,
Ethernet. It  has all the bells and whistles.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DRV3G7G1?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_3&th=1

I bought two, one for me and one for my wife to replace Win10 machines and
they run all my ham software better than an 8 gB, I5 Lenovo Refurb that I
paid $249 for 3 years ago.

If you want a cheap, but effective computer for Windows 11 Pro that will
run all your ham software and then some, $150 to $200 (price fluctuates)
should end your sorrows.

73, N0AN

Hasan


On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 9:08 AM Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel <
wsj...@li...> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> You are causing a lot of confusion with such half-baked statements. Like
> always, and for good reasons, the Windows installation packages for all
> WSJT-X Improved versions are being created using Qt 5.12.12. This gives the
> best possible backwards compatibility (down to Windows 7), as well as the
> rest results in terms of rendering the various controls (also when Dark
> Style is enabled). This tool chain has not been changed over the past
> months.
>
> As you know, we've spent many days of work trying to help you with your
> "special" setup on an old Windows 8.1. system. During these tests, you
> confirmed that all is working well on your Windows 10 computer. And no one
> else has ever reported similar issues than you with your setup.
>
> Please do me a favor and stop confusing others. If you don't understand
> why we invest months of work to offer a data set for Qt6 in addition to the
> existing Qt5 source code, then any further discussion about it here is not
> worthwhile anyway. Other OMs who know what this is for are very grateful
> for this work. And if at some point in the future you should buy more
> modern equipment (maybe even Linux-based), then you will be grateful to us
> one day why we were so wise and foresighted in 2024 and 2025 to develop the
> necessary source code for it and keep it up to date.
>
> 73 de DG2YCB,
> Uwe
> ________________________________________
> German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
> Dr. Uwe Risse
> eMail: dg...@gm...
> Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB
>
>
> Am 01.05.2025 um 13:55 schrieb Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel:
>
> "Both Windows 7 or 8.x version support will not be available for Qt 6.
> Microsoft discontinued the support for both Windows versions some time ago,
> and as a vendor, we can no longer maintain support for these windows
> versions in Qt 6. Windows 7 (both 32bit and 64bit) was supported as a
> target in Qt 5.15 LTS and Windows 8.1 (both 32bit and 64bit) as a target in
> Qt 5.12 LTS. This means that we will not have 32bit Windows support
> available. Additionally, it will no longer be possible to create UWP applications
> on Windows 10."
>
> ref - https://www.qt.io/blog/qt6-development-hosts-and-targets
>
> I have found that 2.8.0 improved is not compatible with Win 8.1 and no one
> has said that it works for them.
>
> Should the WSJT-X Windows compatibility statement be revised?  It
> currently states - " (Windows 7 and later)" which was true for 2.7.0 but
> may not be true if later official releases use Qt6.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>
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