wsjt-devel

[wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Andy D. <a.d...@ms...>]

Installed 64 bit version on my Win 8.1 PC. This version is advertised as compatible with Win 7 and later.

TS-590S with Rig OmniRig. Mode None, Split Rig. PTT CAT.  (all unchanged from working 2.7.1 rc8 Improved Plus)

Main window Tune did not key rig.

File / Settings / Radio Test CAT  - green test pass

File / Settings / Radio Test CAT Test PTT - Rig keyed

Close settings

Click Tune - Rig keyed and modulated.

Stop tune - rig remains keyed but modulation stops.

Unusable.  Reverted to 2.7.1 rc8

Andy, k3wyc
(WSJT-X user since before release of ver 1.0)

Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Joseph T. <jo...@Pr...>]

Andy --

Sorry to hear that you had trouble using WSJT-X 3.0.0-rc1. You appear to be an outlier: well over 2500 people are using 3.0.0-rc1 with good results.

I have been unable to reproduce your reported symptoms here.  What have you already done to diagnose your problem, or to help Uwe (or any of us) to diagnose it for you?

    -- 73, Joe, K1JT

________________________________
From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel <wsj...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 7:00 PM
To: WSJT software development <wsj...@li...>
Cc: Andy Durbin <a.d...@ms...>
Subject: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

Installed 64 bit version on my Win 8.1 PC. This version is advertised as compatible with Win 7 and later.

TS-590S with Rig OmniRig. Mode None, Split Rig. PTT CAT.  (all unchanged from working 2.7.1 rc8 Improved Plus)

Main window Tune did not key rig.

File / Settings / Radio Test CAT  - green test pass

File / Settings / Radio Test CAT Test PTT - Rig keyed

Close settings

Click Tune - Rig keyed and modulated.

Stop tune - rig remains keyed but modulation stops.

Unusable.  Reverted to 2.7.1 rc8

Andy, k3wyc
(WSJT-X user since before release of ver 1.0)

Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Andy D. <a.d...@ms...>]

"Sorry to hear that you had trouble using WSJT-X 3.0.0-rc1. You appear to be an outlier: well over 2500 people are using 3.0.0-rc1 with good results."

Joe,

I have no doubt this reported keying issue will only be seen when using my exact test configuration.  That requires Win 8.1.

The last time I reported an issue with an "improved" derivative of WSJX-X no other Win 8.1 user reported that they had attempted to reproduce my result.   No one else ran my test as specified so no one saw the reported test failure.

I can completely understand if the team decides not to support Win 8.1 but, unless someone else runs 3.0.0 rc1 with Win 8.1, I shall assume my test result is valid.   It is 100% repeatable as documented later in this email.

If someone reports the test works with Win 8.1 then there would be the opportunity to look for any station configuration differences and to attempt to isolate the anomaly.   I have no idea why there are WSJT-X failure modes with Win 8.1 that are not seen with other versions of Windows.

I have no doubt that I could install 3.0.0 rc1 on one of my Windows 11 computers and it would work properly but my station computer runs Win 8.1.

So, what say all those 2,500 plus users of 3.0.0 rc1?  Anyone have a Win 8.1 computer and willing to run tests?

The reported issue is very easy to reproduce at my station.  I installed 3.0.0 rc1 in a separate directory from v2.7.1 rc8 devel.  I close 2.7.1 rc8 and open 3.0.0 rc1.  It starts normally.

I press main window Tune - Tune button goes red and counter starts counting down.  My TS-590S is not keyed.

 I click Tune again before the counter expires,  The button is no longer red.  I click it again with the same result.

File /Settings / Radio - Test CAT gives green. Test PTT keys my TS-590S. Clicking Test PTT again clears Test PTT and the TS-590S in un-keyed.

Exit settings with Cancel.

Click Main window Tune.  Rig is keyed and modulated.

Click Tune again. Modulation stops but TS-590S remains keyed

Click Tune again - rig remains keyed and becomes modulated

Click Tune again  = modulation stops and rig remains keyed. (Stopped keying with TS-590S front panel SEND to force RX).

Exit 3.0.0 rc1 and run 2.7.1 rc8

Click Tune multiple times - Keying and modulation turn on and off as expected.

Nothing different in the test configurations excepts the WJT-X version.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Reino T. <rei...@ko...>]

Andy,

 

If looks like a Hamlib problem with your rig. I am
ruling out RFI. Do you know which versions of the Hamlib
you are using with wsjt-x versions. 

If I understood your test correctly you found:

Using v3.0.0-rc1 after program start the Tune button
does *not* key rig.

*But* at going to the Radio settings the rig correctly
keys rig. And after that test the Tune button *keys* the
rig on and it transmits, but releasing the Tune button
does not un-key the rig. 

Really interesting and I don't have any explanation. The
second could be explained by RFI or some timing problem
in the CAT communication. I assume that closing the
v3.0.0-rc1 and opening it you can repeat the test
without any changes in results(?).

Both of your versions should have a new selection in the
Save menu 'Diagnostic mode', user guide 5.8. Save Menu.
It could help to diagnose your problem. Perhaps you
could compare the CAT commands with v2.7.1-rc8 (imp) and
v3.0.0-rc1 or provide the logs to the developers.

 

73, Reino OH3mA

 

From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel
<wsj...@li...> 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2025 2:38 AM
To: WSJT software development
<wsj...@li...>
Cc: Andy Durbin <a.d...@ms...>
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

 

"Sorry to hear that you had trouble using WSJT-X
3.0.0-rc1. You appear to be an outlier: well over 2500
people are using 3.0.0-rc1 with good results."

 

Joe,

 

I have no doubt this reported keying issue will only be
seen when using my exact test configuration.  That
requires Win 8.1. 

 

The last time I reported an issue with an "improved"
derivative of WSJX-X no other Win 8.1 user reported that
they had attempted to reproduce my result.   No one else
ran my test as specified so no one saw the reported test
failure.

 

I can completely understand if the team decides not to
support Win 8.1 but, unless someone else runs 3.0.0 rc1
with Win 8.1, I shall assume my test result is valid.
It is 100% repeatable as documented later in this email.

 

If someone reports the test works with Win 8.1 then
there would be the opportunity to look for any station
configuration differences and to attempt to isolate the
anomaly.   I have no idea why there are WSJT-X failure
modes with Win 8.1 that are not seen with other versions
of Windows.

 

I have no doubt that I could install 3.0.0 rc1 on one of
my Windows 11 computers and it would work properly but
my station computer runs Win 8.1.

 

So, what say all those 2,500 plus users of 3.0.0 rc1?
Anyone have a Win 8.1 computer and willing to run tests?


 

The reported issue is very easy to reproduce at my
station.  I installed 3.0.0 rc1 in a separate directory
from v2.7.1 rc8 devel.  I close 2.7.1 rc8 and open 3.0.0
rc1.  It starts normally.

 

I press main window Tune - Tune button goes red and
counter starts counting down.  My TS-590S is not keyed.

 

 I click Tune again before the counter expires,  The
button is no longer red.  I click it again with the same
result.

 

File /Settings / Radio - Test CAT gives green. Test PTT
keys my TS-590S. Clicking Test PTT again clears Test PTT
and the TS-590S in un-keyed.

 

Exit settings with Cancel.

 

Click Main window Tune.  Rig is keyed and modulated.

 

Click Tune again. Modulation stops but TS-590S remains
keyed

 

Click Tune again - rig remains keyed and becomes
modulated

 

Click Tune again  = modulation stops and rig remains
keyed. (Stopped keying with TS-590S front panel SEND to
force RX).

 

Exit 3.0.0 rc1 and run 2.7.1 rc8

 

Click Tune multiple times - Keying and modulation turn
on and off as expected.  

 

Nothing different in the test configurations excepts the
WJT-X version.

 

73,

Andy, k3wyc

 

 

Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Glenn W. <af...@al...>]

FYI
Win 10 PC per below, USB cable to TS590SG, Split Rig. All audio and CAT 
via the one USB.
Can start 2.7.0 or 3.0.0 rc1 and get same good results.
3.0.0 rc1 today one with Hound, remainder standard.
Running 300 with additional multithread decoding 2 stage, 8 threads.
SPECS follow
-----------------------------------------------
Windows 10 Pro Version 22H2, OS Build 19045.6332,
.NET v4.8 Full
------------------------------------------------
Dell Inc. 07Y85M (SOCKET 0),Intel Core i5 3320M @ 2.60GHz,
16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3, USB Audio Device,
Silicon Labs CP210x USB to UART Bridge (COM4),
USB Composite Device, Generic USB Hub,
Playback Devices - speakers (USB Audio CODEC ),
Recording Devices - Microphone (USB Audio CODEC )

--Glenn, AF8C

On 9/18/2025 7:00 PM, Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel wrote:
> Installed 64 bit version on my Win 8.1 PC. This version is advertised as 
> compatible with Win 7 and later.
> 
> TS-590S with Rig OmniRig. Mode None, Split Rig. PTT CAT.  (all unchanged 
> from working 2.7.1 rc8 Improved Plus)
> 
> Main window Tune did not key rig.
> 
> File / Settings / Radio Test CAT  - green test pass
> 
> File / Settings / Radio Test CAT Test PTT - Rig keyed
> 
> Close settings
> 
> Click Tune - Rig keyed and modulated.
> 
> Stop tune - rig remains keyed but modulation stops.
> 
> Unusable.  Reverted to 2.7.1 rc8
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
> (WSJT-X user since before release of ver 1.0)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Andy D. <a.d...@ms...>]

"If looks like a Hamlib problem with your rig. I am ruling out RFI. Do you know which versions of the Hamlib you are using with wsjt-x versions."

I am not using Hamlib.  My TS-590S control is by Omni-Rig 1.20.

You are correct that this is not an RFI issue.  The RF environment does nor change when swapping between different version of WSJT-X.  In any event there is no RF if the rig is not keyed.

This is a compatibility issue with Win 8.1.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

________________________________
From: Andy Durbin <a.d...@ms...>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2025 4:38 PM
To: WSJT software development <wsj...@li...>
Subject: Re: v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

"Sorry to hear that you had trouble using WSJT-X 3.0.0-rc1. You appear to be an outlier: well over 2500 people are using 3.0.0-rc1 with good results."

Joe,

I have no doubt this reported keying issue will only be seen when using my exact test configuration.  That requires Win 8.1.

The last time I reported an issue with an "improved" derivative of WSJX-X no other Win 8.1 user reported that they had attempted to reproduce my result.   No one else ran my test as specified so no one saw the reported test failure.

I can completely understand if the team decides not to support Win 8.1 but, unless someone else runs 3.0.0 rc1 with Win 8.1, I shall assume my test result is valid.   It is 100% repeatable as documented later in this email.

If someone reports the test works with Win 8.1 then there would be the opportunity to look for any station configuration differences and to attempt to isolate the anomaly.   I have no idea why there are WSJT-X failure modes with Win 8.1 that are not seen with other versions of Windows.

I have no doubt that I could install 3.0.0 rc1 on one of my Windows 11 computers and it would work properly but my station computer runs Win 8.1.

So, what say all those 2,500 plus users of 3.0.0 rc1?  Anyone have a Win 8.1 computer and willing to run tests?

The reported issue is very easy to reproduce at my station.  I installed 3.0.0 rc1 in a separate directory from v2.7.1 rc8 devel.  I close 2.7.1 rc8 and open 3.0.0 rc1.  It starts normally.

I press main window Tune - Tune button goes red and counter starts counting down.  My TS-590S is not keyed.

 I click Tune again before the counter expires,  The button is no longer red.  I click it again with the same result.

File /Settings / Radio - Test CAT gives green. Test PTT keys my TS-590S. Clicking Test PTT again clears Test PTT and the TS-590S in un-keyed.

Exit settings with Cancel.

Click Main window Tune.  Rig is keyed and modulated.

Click Tune again. Modulation stops but TS-590S remains keyed

Click Tune again - rig remains keyed and becomes modulated

Click Tune again  = modulation stops and rig remains keyed. (Stopped keying with TS-590S front panel SEND to force RX).

Exit 3.0.0 rc1 and run 2.7.1 rc8

Click Tune multiple times - Keying and modulation turn on and off as expected.

Nothing different in the test configurations excepts the WJT-X version.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Reino T. <rei...@ko...>]

It would be interesting to see whether the Diagnostic
mode provides any meaningful difference between those
two versions of wsjt-x in your system. 

 

73, Reino OH3mA

 

From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel
<wsj...@li...> 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2025 2:00 PM
To: WSJT software development
<wsj...@li...>
Cc: Andy Durbin <a.d...@ms...>
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

 

"If looks like a Hamlib problem with your rig. I am
ruling out RFI. Do you know which versions of the Hamlib
you are using with wsjt-x versions."

 

I am not using Hamlib.  My TS-590S control is by
Omni-Rig 1.20.

 

You are correct that this is not an RFI issue.  The RF
environment does nor change when swapping between
different version of WSJT-X.  In any event there is no
RF if the rig is not keyed.

 

This is a compatibility issue with Win 8.1.

 

73,

Andy, k3wyc

 

  _____  

From: Andy Durbin <a.d...@ms...
<mailto:a.d...@ms...> >
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2025 4:38 PM
To: WSJT software development
<wsj...@li...
<mailto:wsj...@li...> >
Subject: Re: v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report 

 

"Sorry to hear that you had trouble using WSJT-X
3.0.0-rc1. You appear to be an outlier: well over 2500
people are using 3.0.0-rc1 with good results."

 

Joe,

 

I have no doubt this reported keying issue will only be
seen when using my exact test configuration.  That
requires Win 8.1. 

 

The last time I reported an issue with an "improved"
derivative of WSJX-X no other Win 8.1 user reported that
they had attempted to reproduce my result.   No one else
ran my test as specified so no one saw the reported test
failure.

 

I can completely understand if the team decides not to
support Win 8.1 but, unless someone else runs 3.0.0 rc1
with Win 8.1, I shall assume my test result is valid.
It is 100% repeatable as documented later in this email.

 

If someone reports the test works with Win 8.1 then
there would be the opportunity to look for any station
configuration differences and to attempt to isolate the
anomaly.   I have no idea why there are WSJT-X failure
modes with Win 8.1 that are not seen with other versions
of Windows.

 

I have no doubt that I could install 3.0.0 rc1 on one of
my Windows 11 computers and it would work properly but
my station computer runs Win 8.1.

 

So, what say all those 2,500 plus users of 3.0.0 rc1?
Anyone have a Win 8.1 computer and willing to run tests?


 

The reported issue is very easy to reproduce at my
station.  I installed 3.0.0 rc1 in a separate directory
from v2.7.1 rc8 devel.  I close 2.7.1 rc8 and open 3.0.0
rc1.  It starts normally.

 

I press main window Tune - Tune button goes red and
counter starts counting down.  My TS-590S is not keyed.

 

 I click Tune again before the counter expires,  The
button is no longer red.  I click it again with the same
result.

 

File /Settings / Radio - Test CAT gives green. Test PTT
keys my TS-590S. Clicking Test PTT again clears Test PTT
and the TS-590S in un-keyed.

 

Exit settings with Cancel.

 

Click Main window Tune.  Rig is keyed and modulated.

 

Click Tune again. Modulation stops but TS-590S remains
keyed

 

Click Tune again - rig remains keyed and becomes
modulated

 

Click Tune again  = modulation stops and rig remains
keyed. (Stopped keying with TS-590S front panel SEND to
force RX).

 

Exit 3.0.0 rc1 and run 2.7.1 rc8

 

Click Tune multiple times - Keying and modulation turn
on and off as expected.  

 

Nothing different in the test configurations excepts the
WJT-X version.

 

73,

Andy, k3wyc

 

 

Re: [wsjt-devel] v3.0.0.0 rc 1 report

[Andy D. <a.d...@ms...>]

"It would be interesting to see whether the Diagnostic mode provides any meaningful difference between those two versions of wsjt-x in your system. 73, Reino OH3mA"

Reino,

Thanks for your interest.  Before we go any further I would like you to know that some time ago (April 2025) I reported a different compatibility problem with Win 8.1 and an "Improved" version of WSJ-X.  Members of that team spent several days with me trying to understand what was happening and never found a solution despite providing some custom diagnostic builds.

If I remember correctly the diagnostic logs for those test showed that WSJT-X thought it was commanding the required rig state but my rig did not change to the commanded state.  At that time, just like this time, there were no other Win 8.1 testers.

I had abandoned trying to use any "Improved" version later than 2.7.1 rc8 which runs fine at my station.  However, WSJT-X 3.0.0 rc1 is an "official" version not an "improved" version so I decided to try it.  Since I had tried it I was obligated to submit a test report.

I did attempt to capture diagnostic mode files for this specific 3.0.0 rc1 problem which is related only to rig keying.   Nothing jumps out at me.  Please send me a private email if you would like to look at them.  If any others are interested I will share via DropBox.

73,
Andy, k3wyc