First off, thanks to team (person/people) who are responsible for releasing this latest Window Maker Live! It is appreciated, I thought this project was dead and I am glad to see it isn’t. I am sure a lot of hard work went into this so thank you.
My issue: I lose WiFi after apt upgrade.
So I "burned" the wmlive-bookworm-0.96.0-0_amd64.iso to a 16GB USB Flash Drive and installed it on my Lenovo ThinkPad X250 laptop. All worked great out of the box. Only thing was I needed to do was right click the tiny speaker dock app icon and change it from HDMI audio.
I then opened the root term and did apt update -y and apt upgrade -y after rebooting, it is apparent that some update that installed killed my previously working WiFi. I connected via ethernet to my router and went looking for a fix. After trying every suggestion I could find and everything I could think of (including changing my sources.list to Sid repos!) I still couldn't get WiFi working again.
This is odd as I have no issues with the debian-12.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso install one gets from Debian.org https://debian.org/ .I can update this Debian install and it never breaks my WiFi, even when upgrading to unstable Sid.
As Window Maker Live is a Debian based distro I would think they would more or less be the same?
I thought it may have been a fluke so I formatted my SSD that lives in my afore mentioned ThinkPad X250 and yet again I lose WiFi when running apt update -y and apt upgrade -y
So I gave up on Window Maker Live.
I have ended up installing Debian without any desktop environment and going with GSDE https://onflapp.github.io/gs-desktop/index.html instead, and WiFi works fine (even after apt update and apt upgrade )
I dunno what's broken in Window Maker Live that is doing this but I wanted to note it somewhere should someone else have this issue.
no income whatsoever is generated by this project and donations so far amount to just zero. Unpaid time is limited and therefore none can be invested into any user support, sorry for that.
WindowMaker Live is indeed (almost) just good old Debian with some configuration, scripting, and custom packages added on top. But if it breaks you have to just keep the pieces and fix it yourself.
Given your rather anecdotical narrative without sufficient technical details it appears as if you didn't yet resort looking into the system's logs to find relevant error messages to base any further troubleshooting on. This is where you should investigate further.
Good luck resolving this!
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So I didn’t recall asking for support or implying that you or the Window Maker Live project provide support to me. I went and read my post again just to double check and I can confirm I didn’t ask for support at any point.
I wasn’t expecting that the Window Maker Live project to provide me with support.
Nor do I think or have I implied the Window Maker Live project was for profit or generating any income whatsoever.
I was simply reporting my anecdotal, but replicable WiFi issue.
However, since you brought it up, maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea for this project to have a community support option… a forum, an IRC channel, a dedicated Window Maker Live subreddit, etc.
I don’t know what your goals are with this project but if you would like mass adoption (and many people are interested) you may want to consider some sort of community support option where users can support each other like many other GNU/Linux projects do.
I will say I don’t think it is helpful to make a snarky reply and answers questions I didn’t ask.
no income whatsoever is generated by this project and donations so far amount to just zero. Unpaid time is limited and therefore none can be invested into any user support, sorry for that.
WindowMaker Live is indeed (almost) just good old Debian with some configuration, scripting, and custom packages added on top. But if it breaks you have to just keep the pieces and fix it yourself.
Given your rather anecdotical narrative without sufficient technical details it appears as if you didn't yet resort looking into the system's logs to find relevant error messages to base any further troubleshooting on. This is where you should investigate further.
i fail to see which wording of mine might have caused you to misread my reply as being snarky. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder": I guess the same applies to perceived snarkyness on the recipient's side.
The mere fact someone bothers to invest his precious time to write up and submit an error description obviously allows for the assumption that a helpful return is expected.
Unfortunately, the story provided by an "anecdotal, but replicable WiFi issue" is not replicable at all if no meaningful technical details beyond the mere narrative are given.
Providing anecdotical descriptions without meaningful technical information whatsoever is just a waste of time for both sides.
Thanks again.
If you would like to refer to this comment somewhere else in this project, copy and paste the following link:
"The mere fact someone bothers to invest his precious time to write up and submit an error description obviously allows for the assumption that a helpful return is expected.”
That’s where you’re wrong. That is your assumption. I specifically stated:
"I dunno what's broken in Window Maker Live that is doing this but I wanted to note it somewhere should someone else have this issue.”
I also stated:
"So I gave up on Window Maker Live.
I have ended up installing Debian without any desktop environment and going with GSDE https://onflapp.github.io/gs-desktop/index.html instead, and WiFi works fine (even after apt update and apt upgrade )”
I at no point did I say “please help me”. If I wanted to post logs I would have. That’s something I may have considered if I wanted support. I don’t.
i fail to see which wording of mine might have caused you to misread my reply as being snarky. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder": I guess the same applies to perceived snarkyness on the recipient's side.
The mere fact someone bothers to invest his precious time to write up and submit an error description obviously allows for the assumption that a helpful return is expected.
Unfortunately, the story provided by an "anecdotal, but replicable WiFi issue" is not replicable at all if no meaningful technical details beyond the mere narrative are given.
Providing anecdotical descriptions without meaningful technical information whatsoever is just a waste of time for both sides.
First off, thanks to team (person/people) who are responsible for releasing this latest Window Maker Live! It is appreciated, I thought this project was dead and I am glad to see it isn’t. I am sure a lot of hard work went into this so thank you.
My issue: I lose WiFi after apt upgrade.
So I "burned" the wmlive-bookworm-0.96.0-0_amd64.iso to a 16GB USB Flash Drive and installed it on my Lenovo ThinkPad X250 laptop. All worked great out of the box. Only thing was I needed to do was right click the tiny speaker dock app icon and change it from HDMI audio.
I then opened the root term and did apt update -y and apt upgrade -y after rebooting, it is apparent that some update that installed killed my previously working WiFi. I connected via ethernet to my router and went looking for a fix. After trying every suggestion I could find and everything I could think of (including changing my sources.list to Sid repos!) I still couldn't get WiFi working again.
This is odd as I have no issues with the debian-12.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso install one gets from Debian.org https://debian.org/ .I can update this Debian install and it never breaks my WiFi, even when upgrading to unstable Sid.
As Window Maker Live is a Debian based distro I would think they would more or less be the same?
I thought it may have been a fluke so I formatted my SSD that lives in my afore mentioned ThinkPad X250 and yet again I lose WiFi when running apt update -y and apt upgrade -y
So I gave up on Window Maker Live.
I have ended up installing Debian without any desktop environment and going with GSDE https://onflapp.github.io/gs-desktop/index.html instead, and WiFi works fine (even after apt update and apt upgrade )
I dunno what's broken in Window Maker Live that is doing this but I wanted to note it somewhere should someone else have this issue.
Posted this on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/windowmaker/comments/1acdq8l/my_window_maker_live_experience/
Last edit: Daniel Doran 2024-01-30
Hi Daniel,
no income whatsoever is generated by this project and donations so far amount to just zero. Unpaid time is limited and therefore none can be invested into any user support, sorry for that.
WindowMaker Live is indeed (almost) just good old Debian with some configuration, scripting, and custom packages added on top. But if it breaks you have to just keep the pieces and fix it yourself.
Given your rather anecdotical narrative without sufficient technical details it appears as if you didn't yet resort looking into the system's logs to find relevant error messages to base any further troubleshooting on. This is where you should investigate further.
Good luck resolving this!
Thanks for your reply.
So I didn’t recall asking for support or implying that you or the Window Maker Live project provide support to me. I went and read my post again just to double check and I can confirm I didn’t ask for support at any point.
I wasn’t expecting that the Window Maker Live project to provide me with support.
Nor do I think or have I implied the Window Maker Live project was for profit or generating any income whatsoever.
I was simply reporting my anecdotal, but replicable WiFi issue.
However, since you brought it up, maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea for this project to have a community support option… a forum, an IRC channel, a dedicated Window Maker Live subreddit, etc.
I don’t know what your goals are with this project but if you would like mass adoption (and many people are interested) you may want to consider some sort of community support option where users can support each other like many other GNU/Linux projects do.
I will say I don’t think it is helpful to make a snarky reply and answers questions I didn’t ask.
Good luck with your project.
Hi Daniel,
i fail to see which wording of mine might have caused you to misread my reply as being snarky. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder": I guess the same applies to perceived snarkyness on the recipient's side.
The mere fact someone bothers to invest his precious time to write up and submit an error description obviously allows for the assumption that a helpful return is expected.
Unfortunately, the story provided by an "anecdotal, but replicable WiFi issue" is not replicable at all if no meaningful technical details beyond the mere narrative are given.
Providing anecdotical descriptions without meaningful technical information whatsoever is just a waste of time for both sides.
Thanks again.
"The mere fact someone bothers to invest his precious time to write up and submit an error description obviously allows for the assumption that a helpful return is expected.”
That’s where you’re wrong. That is your assumption. I specifically stated:
"I dunno what's broken in Window Maker Live that is doing this but I wanted to note it somewhere should someone else have this issue.”
I also stated:
"So I gave up on Window Maker Live.
I have ended up installing Debian without any desktop environment and going with GSDE https://onflapp.github.io/gs-desktop/index.html instead, and WiFi works fine (even after apt update and apt upgrade )”
I at no point did I say “please help me”. If I wanted to post logs I would have. That’s something I may have considered if I wanted support. I don’t.
I would work on your reading comprehension.