Re: [Webwork-devel] WW/JavaOne get together

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My gut feeling is that JBoss is on the move. Looking at
their JBossOne conference recently, training
conferences and with JBoss professional services they
are putting together, I believe they are definitely
moving towards something and it is more than just an
app server. Clearly what they are doing is not just
haphazard. I still lean towards JBoss.

-Matt

"Chris Miller" wrote

> 
> > > The only way to avoid that confusion is to create
a
> > > *new* brandname that is an umbrella for JBoss and
WW, or alternatively
> go to
> > > the trouble of truly establishing JBoss as an
umbrella brand, that
> contains
> > > JBoss Application Server, WW etc.
> >
> > I doubt that will happen.
> 
> Understandable. But what then are your thoughts on
people's perceptions of
> JBoss being an app server vs JBoss being an
organisation? Because if you
> agree that there is some truth to the "JBoss is an
app server" mentality,
> then without rebranding can you also see the
potential confusion that could
> eventuate? I don't profess to be a marketing expert
by any means, but it
> seems a fairly safe bet that it will cause problems.
About the only company
> I can think of that has managed to pull off something
like is Coca-Cola,
> however even they aren't selling drinks & chocolate
bars, they're sticking
> to drinks. OK, shoot me, bad analogy ;-)
> 
> > > But what's the point, when there already exists
such a beast going by
> the
> > > name of OpenSymphony?
> >
> > What's the point of a Ford when there are
Volkswagens? I see where
> > you're going with that point, for sure, but it can
be argued the other
> > way round too. Otherwise we would be stuck in the
"so why make another
> > framework when we have Struts?" argument still.
> 
> Yes, but Ford competes directly with VW - I can't see
any competition
> between OS and JBoss (or are you suggesting that
would happen by grouping
> JBoss + WW? I still can't see how). Surely WW is just
looking for a home,
> it's tired of being an orphan for so long :-). The
best home isn't
> necessarily the one with the filmstar.
> 
> > > As several people have pointed out in this
thread, OpenSymphony is a
> perfect
> > > match for WW. OSUser, Sitemesh et al compliment
WW very nicely indeed -
> > > surely that cannot be denied?
> >
> > You are absolutely correct, and I don't think
anyone has said otherwise
> > either.
> 
> Then doesn't it make sense for the match to be
formalised?
> 
> > The main reason against OpenSymphony (that I can
think of) is the high
> > quality differences between the projects. Some are
outstanding and some
> > are, well, on the other side of the scale.
> 
> Agreed. That is something that can and should be
addressed. I'll avoid the
> obvious response to that comment... ah, no, what the
heck, can't resist -
> quality differences never stopped Jakarta ;-).
> 
> Thanks for considering my response.
> 
> Chris Miller
> 
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