Re: [Webwork-devel] WW/JavaOne get together

[Rickard <ri...@mi...>]

Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:

> Personally (I'll try to remove my OS bias here) I would be sad to see W=
W
> rolled into the JBoss project. Both JBoss and WW are excellent products=
, but
> I feel it would add a tremendous amount of bias (perceived or otherwise=
) to
> WW to be part of a single server vendor. JBoss is a single server vendo=
r -
> don't mistake it.=20


As is Jakarta, in a sense. If you look at what they actually deliver it=20
is kind of similar to JBoss: a J2EE engine (web instead of EJB though),=20
a mgmt framework (Avalon instead of JBossMX). Struts seem to be doing=20
fine anyway.


> OS has always prided itself on being 'server agnostic' and we have a nu=
mber
> of guys who try very hard to make sure our components run on many diffe=
rent
> servers as possible (for example - see the SiteMesh test suite which
> currently automatically tests SiteMesh on ~ 10 different app servers!)


Which is good, and even after WW joins JBoss I will think that is good.=20
And NOONE has said differently. We can write it in capital letters in=20
docs to make sure noone misses it. "WORKS WITH X Y Z. REALLY".


> I'm not saying that putting WW under the JBoss umbrella would necessari=
ly
> 'bias' things, but that it would certainly taint the independence that
> currently WW has (as would joining Jakarta but I'll keep that flame war=
 for
> another day ;))


What's the difference between "bias things" and "taint the=20
independence"? Semantics...


> If joining JBoss is all about attention, I'm sure this can still be gai=
ned
> by providing a sample app with JBoss that uses WW (such as PetSoar -
> http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=3D12753), linkin=
g from
> the JBoss site to the project page etc.


Well, that would work, although I'd personally prefer to do that portal=20
thingy since it'd be actually useful. Although I guess something like=20
PetSoar could be a useful place to put common app tools in (i.e. stuff=20
that are common to many projects).


> PS Anyone who believes 'best XXX' from any Java magazine is a fool ;) T=
he
> voting in those elections is more rigged than a Presidential election t=
hat
> comes down to a recount in a state in which your brother is governor ;)


So you're saying the committee was bribed? ;-) Can I quote you on that?

/Rickard

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Rickard =D6berg