Re: [Webwork-devel] WW/JavaOne get together

[Mike Cannon-B. <mi...@at...>]

I was on a plane when this thread started - just got back to Sydney after J=
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today.

(For those of you who don't know me - I'm the 'OS guy' that was at the
WebWork meeting ;))

Personally (I'll try to remove my OS bias here) I would be sad to see WW
rolled into the JBoss project. Both JBoss and WW are excellent products, bu=
t
I feel it would add a tremendous amount of bias (perceived or otherwise) to
WW to be part of a single server vendor. JBoss is a single server vendor -
don't mistake it.=20

OS has always prided itself on being 'server agnostic' and we have a number
of guys who try very hard to make sure our components run on many different
servers as possible (for example - see the SiteMesh test suite which
currently automatically tests SiteMesh on ~ 10 different app servers!)

I'm not saying that putting WW under the JBoss umbrella would necessarily
'bias' things, but that it would certainly taint the independence that
currently WW has (as would joining Jakarta but I'll keep that flame war for
another day ;))

If joining JBoss is all about attention, I'm sure this can still be gained
by providing a sample app with JBoss that uses WW (such as PetSoar -
http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=3D12753), linking from
the JBoss site to the project page etc.

I'd vote against a merger with JBoss.

My $0.02.

-mike

PS Anyone who believes 'best XXX' from any Java magazine is a fool ;) The
voting in those elections is more rigged than a Presidential election that
comes down to a recount in a state in which your brother is governor ;)

On 2/4/02 11:04 AM, "Matt Baldree" (ma...@sm...) penned the words:

> I think OS has done a good job and working with them would be good, but
> throwing in a new opportunity such as JBoss adds a new twist. For instanc=
e,
> Jetty is a separate project that is embedded in JBoss so why not WW? I
> believe JBoss could use a good web tier framework, and I think its coat
> tails have grown since it won best app server from JavaWorld. In addition=
, I
> know Jakarta solicited them to come aboard but Marc set them straight. So=
,
> my vote is JBoss. I think WW has the greatest potential to grow under
> JBoss's umbrella.
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> My $0.02
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> -Matt
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rickard" <ri...@mi...>
> To: "Matt Baldree" <ma...@sm...>
> Cc: "Webwork-Developer" <web...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Webwork-devel] WW/JavaOne get together
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> Matt Baldree wrote:
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>> For those of us that missed the get together, would it be possible for
>> someone to post some highlights?
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> Well, it was a pretty modest gettogether (me, Kjetil, Maurice + 3 from
> OpenSymphony, oh and Cedric from BEA). You were sorely missed Matt!
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> Mostly we just chatted, but we did talk about some about what to do
> next. Supporting Flash as client was pretty high on the list, and from
> what I can tell it should be trivial to do. I'm gonna get some
> HelloWorld examples from Macromedia and convert them to use WW.
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> We also talked some about what would be the best way to go for WW in
> terms of greater exposure. On the one hand OpenSymphony does make sense
> (as already discussed), but on the other hand joining JBoss (which I'll
> probably join up with again, now that I quit from TSS) would give us a
> much more even footing with Struts. Because believe it or not, the
> primary question I got last week was "So, who does this relate to
> Struts?". Argh...
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> So, that was pretty much it. Good beer good chat good place. :-)
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> /Rickard
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