Re: [Webwork-devel] WW/JavaOne get together

[Rickard <ri...@mi...>]

Victor Salaman wrote:

> I just see nothing that could be added to WebWork relating to JBoss,=20
> since as a tool it is used to make applications, and is therefore not=20
> part of the environment.


Ok. So, since WW is so well encapsulated and generic, by the above logic=20
there would be no point in joining any umbrella organization whatsoever,=20
including OpenSymphony.

Right? I can see no other conclusion from your above statement.


> We just should not ride in a marketing bus without a reason since it's=20
> pointless.=20


Sure, but there is a point. Why do you think app vendors are=20
buying&integrating frameworks into their suites? Because users want as=20
complete a framework as possible, and if something is officially shipped=20
with the appserver it's sure to work with it.

> There are far better ways of marketing than to be out of=20
> focus! :) I bet you love those nice "Buy me now" banner ads popping up=20
> when you're reading a news article in JDJ or JavaWorld!, and the item=20
> has nothing to do with what you're reading, or interesting to reading=20
> audience.


You're rambling. Get to the point.


> I'll give you a couple of reasons Struts is a winner:
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> -- Part of Apache, instant marketing.
> -- Exposure by Apache, Sun, and everyone that makes tools (they make=20
> money out of this you know)
> -- Articles written
> -- GOOD MARKETING


I agree.


> I'll also give some reasons too for JBoss being successful:
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> -- Good technology.
> -- Viable alternative to commercial software.
> -- JBoss group makes money by selling documentation, consulting, and=20
> giving concerences.
> -- GOOD MARKETING


Yup.


> Now the reason for Struts being more successful than WW:
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> -- They have marketing


Absolutely, plus a head start.


> Orion for example, is superior to Weblogic, but have poor docs, and=20
> extremely lame marketing, nonetheless the product is better.... but BEA=
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> markets their product, Ironflare hmmmm....


But this is contradictory to your initial argument that WW should not=20
join JBoss.

You're confusing.


> My point is... Instead of trying to catch someone else's wave... let's=20
> work towards creating a wave....

If that's your point, then why the above argument which points in the=20
opposite direction!?

/Rickard

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Rickard =D6berg