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Re: [WebMacro-user] creating CGI_Impersonator in Webmacro-Spring env

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Lane,
         I used $CGI for debugging purpose (dump form parameters)
         but I can easily switch to $Request for the same result.
Hai-Chen

At 12:49 PM 10/1/2004, Lane Sharman wrote:
>cgi impersonator is not a mainline class and could be deprecated to 
>support this initiative.
>
>-Lane
>
>Hai-Chen Tu wrote:
>
>>Sebastian,
>>     I searched all the ContextTools code and found that
>>     CGI_Impersonator is the only class that needs to
>>     access ServletContext and it also assumes that
>>     the broker is a ServletBroker (see code below).
>>
>>            CGI_Impersonator(WebContext wc) {
>>                   requst_ = wc.getRequest();
>>                   // this is not very nice, but I don't see any other
>>                   // possibility to get the servlet context. We should
>>             // provide a method in WebContext to hide this from our users.
>>                   sc_ = ((ServletBroker) 
>> wc.getBroker()).getServletContext();
>>            }
>>
>>     Without this problem, I think we can use a regular WM (i.e., not
>>     initialized with a ServletBroker) as the base for WebMacro engine in 
>> Spring.
>>     And we can use WebContext inside WebMacroView for servlet 
>> application and
>>     regular Context for other usages (e.g., email templates).
>>
>>     Also, I think the main reasons for having 
>> Servlet20Broker/Servlet22Broker are
>>     to add few more places for locating property files, templates, and other
>>     resources and to use ServletContext.log(...) for logging purpose. 
>> They probably
>>     should be replaced by Spring-friendly ones, e.g.,  like the way your 
>> have
>>     implemented.
>>
>>     So the question now is how to address the CGI issue. Comments?
>>Hai-Chen Tu
>>
>>
>>
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[WebMacro-user] setting encoding

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Sebastian,
	Could you extend your WebMacro-Spring implementation
	so template.write(...) in WebMacroView will add encoding?
	I think you can either retrieve encoding from response or
	through bean configuration.

	I am not quite sure about Locale -- Locale is not an intrinsic
	part of WebMacro and we probably should just let developers to
	handle it in the application code.

Hai-Chen
	
	
	

Re: [WebMacro-user] creating CGI_Impersonator in Webmacro-Spring env

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

cgi impersonator is not a mainline class and could be deprecated to 
support this initiative.

-Lane

Hai-Chen Tu wrote:

> Sebastian,
>     I searched all the ContextTools code and found that
>     CGI_Impersonator is the only class that needs to
>     access ServletContext and it also assumes that
>     the broker is a ServletBroker (see code below).
>
>            CGI_Impersonator(WebContext wc) {
>                   requst_ = wc.getRequest();
>                   // this is not very nice, but I don't see any other
>                   // possibility to get the servlet context. We should
>             // provide a method in WebContext to hide this from our 
> users.
>                   sc_ = ((ServletBroker) 
> wc.getBroker()).getServletContext();
>            }
>
>     Without this problem, I think we can use a regular WM (i.e., not
>     initialized with a ServletBroker) as the base for WebMacro engine 
> in Spring.
>     And we can use WebContext inside WebMacroView for servlet 
> application and
>     regular Context for other usages (e.g., email templates).
>
>     Also, I think the main reasons for having 
> Servlet20Broker/Servlet22Broker are
>     to add few more places for locating property files, templates, and 
> other
>     resources and to use ServletContext.log(...) for logging purpose. 
> They probably
>     should be replaced by Spring-friendly ones, e.g.,  like the way 
> your have
>     implemented.
>
>     So the question now is how to address the CGI issue. Comments?
> Hai-Chen Tu
>
>
>
>
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[WebMacro-user] creating CGI_Impersonator in Webmacro-Spring env

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Sebastian,
	I searched all the ContextTools code and found that
	CGI_Impersonator is the only class that needs to
	access ServletContext and it also assumes that
	the broker is a ServletBroker (see code below).

    		CGI_Impersonator(WebContext wc) {
       			requst_ = wc.getRequest();
       			// this is not very nice, but I don't see any other
       			// possibility to get the servlet context. We should
			// provide a method in WebContext to hide this from our users.
		      	sc_ = ((ServletBroker) wc.getBroker()).getServletContext();
    		}

	Without this problem, I think we can use a regular WM (i.e., not
	initialized with a ServletBroker) as the base for WebMacro engine in Spring.
	And we can use WebContext inside WebMacroView for servlet application and
	regular Context for other usages (e.g., email templates).

	Also, I think the main reasons for having Servlet20Broker/Servlet22Broker are
	to add few more places for locating property files, templates, and other
	resources and to use ServletContext.log(...) for logging purpose. They 
probably
	should be replaced by Spring-friendly ones, e.g.,  like the way your have
	implemented.

	So the question now is how to address the CGI issue. Comments?
Hai-Chen Tu

Re: [WebMacro-user] on WebMacro-Spring integration

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Hi Hai, Sebastian,

Couple of observations from experience.

If you have read the new book, "Effective (or is it) Better Java", you 
will note that the author stresses the importance of decoupling 
dependencies. Therefore, I do not like either of the solutions below 
because you are subclassing WMServlet and WMBroker. What if they have 
side effects? Change? Are inadequate? WMBroker has a lot of 
implementation internals which could break a subclass.

 From experience, both WMServlet and WMBroker have issues. Rather, I 
would like to see a POJO whose containment of a WebMacro context and, 
consequently, a broker, plus a number of convenience methods, make it 
the place to create the bridge object between Spring and WM. Let's call 
it WMSpring. (See o.w.u.WMEval for a class which could be remade easily 
into WMSpring). Thus, in WMSpring, you provide the bridges to both 
Spring and WebMacro which can be used in both a Servlet context and a 
non-servlet context. There are convenience initializers for both kinds 
of environments and for web context tools as needed.

see: http://www.webmacro.org/api/org/webmacro/util/WMEval.html
(the docs are a bit out of date).

I do not want to be tied to subclassing WMServlet. Generally, creation 
of an adapter is accomplished thru composition by a POJO.

kindest,

Lane

Hai-Chen Tu wrote:

> Hi,
>     I exchanged several email with Sebastian on WebMacro-Spring 
> integration
>     issues and here is a summary of our discussion. It happened that
>     we have different approaches to implement the integration and I will
>     first describe the key parts of our approaches and then present
>     some issues I have. You are all welcome to give your views and 
> suggestions.
>     Hopefully at the end of discussion we will have a version of 
> integration
>     that everyone is    happy to use.
>
>     Sebastian's approach:
>         * a CommonsLog class that implements WebMacro's Log interface
>             using apache's common log API.
>         * a SpringBroker class that extends WebMacro's Broker. It uses
>             CommonsLog as the logger and Spring's ResourceLoader
>             as the resource loader.
>         * The WebMacro engine is created using SpringBroker.
>         * rendering output is done through
>             template.write(response.getOutputStream(), context);
>
>     My approach:
>         * ServletBroker: under the Spring MVC framework, I couldn't 
> find any API
>             to access the DispatchServletcan to create a ServletBroker.
>             So I wrote a utility that creates a 
> Servlet20Broker/Servlet22Broker
>             using the ServletContext retrieved from the Spring 
> application context.
>             (There is probably a way to use Sebastian's CommonsLog as
>              the logger for this ServletBroker but I don't know how to 
> do it.)
>         * The WebMacro engine is based on WMServlet (which is probably
>             a mistake but please read on). Since there is
>             no servlet available during init time, I wrap WMServlet
>             in a thin subclass and override its initWebMacro() and use
>                 new WM(broker created from the above mechanism)   
>             to create a WM.
>         * rendering output is done through
>             WMServlet.execute(Template, WebContext)
>         * I also recycle WebContext instances
>
>     The reasons I want to use WMServlet are because
>         1. I can use error.wm:
>         2. I can use #param to set TEMPLATE_OUTPUT_ENCODING and
>             TEMPLATE_LOCALE
>         3. I can use ContextTools, e.g., $CGI.
>
>     About error.wm, I am not quite sure if it is important to use it.
>     I did, however, use it in my applications.
>
>     Sebastian thinks that there is no need to use WMServlet and
>     one can still access ContextTools without WMServlet. I think he is
>     correct but I think a ServletBroker is still needed to be able to 
> create
>     CGI_Impersonator, and probably some other ContextTools. If this
>     is the case, we may need to consolidate his SpringBroker and
>     ServletBroker.
>
>     On encoding/local setting, if we don't use WMServlet, then we 
> probably
>     want to allow developers to specify template encoding/locale
>     through Spring's configuration file per WebMacroView  bean (each 
> template
>     has a one-one correspondence with a view), which is the mechanism
>     Spring-Velocity integration uses.   
>
> Sebastian,
>     Could you describe the difference between Spring ResourcLoader
>     and default resource loading used by Servlet20Broker/Servlet22Broker?
>        
> Hai-Chen Tu
>     
>
>
>
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[WebMacro-user] on WebMacro-Spring integration

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Hi,
	I exchanged several email with Sebastian on WebMacro-Spring integration
	issues and here is a summary of our discussion. It happened that
	we have different approaches to implement the integration and I will
	first describe the key parts of our approaches and then present
	some issues I have. You are all welcome to give your views and suggestions.
	Hopefully at the end of discussion we will have a version of integration
	that everyone is	happy to use.

	Sebastian's approach:
		* a CommonsLog class that implements WebMacro's Log interface
			using apache's common log API.
		* a SpringBroker class that extends WebMacro's Broker. It uses
			CommonsLog as the logger and Spring's ResourceLoader
			as the resource loader.
		* The WebMacro engine is created using SpringBroker.
		* rendering output is done through
			template.write(response.getOutputStream(), context);

	My approach:
		* ServletBroker: under the Spring MVC framework, I couldn't find any API
			to access the DispatchServletcan to create a ServletBroker.
			So I wrote a utility that creates a Servlet20Broker/Servlet22Broker
			using the ServletContext retrieved from the Spring application context.
			(There is probably a way to use Sebastian's CommonsLog as
			 the logger for this ServletBroker but I don't know how to do it.)
		* The WebMacro engine is based on WMServlet (which is probably
			a mistake but please read on). Since there is
			no servlet available during init time, I wrap WMServlet
			in a thin subclass and override its initWebMacro() and use
				new WM(broker created from the above mechanism)	
			to create a WM.
		* rendering output is done through
			WMServlet.execute(Template, WebContext)
		* I also recycle WebContext instances

	The reasons I want to use WMServlet are because
		1. I can use error.wm:
		2. I can use #param to set TEMPLATE_OUTPUT_ENCODING and
			TEMPLATE_LOCALE
		3. I can use ContextTools, e.g., $CGI.

	About error.wm, I am not quite sure if it is important to use it.
	I did, however, use it in my applications.

	Sebastian thinks that there is no need to use WMServlet and
	one can still access ContextTools without WMServlet. I think he is
	correct but I think a ServletBroker is still needed to be able to create
	CGI_Impersonator, and probably some other ContextTools. If this
	is the case, we may need to consolidate his SpringBroker and
	ServletBroker.

	On encoding/local setting, if we don't use WMServlet, then we probably
	want to allow developers to specify template encoding/locale
	through Spring's configuration file per WebMacroView  bean (each template
	has a one-one correspondence with a view), which is the mechanism
	Spring-Velocity integration uses.	

Sebastian,
	Could you describe the difference between Spring ResourcLoader
	and default resource loading used by Servlet20Broker/Servlet22Broker?
		
Hai-Chen Tu
	

Re: [WebMacro-user] First version of WebMacro/Spring integration

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Sebastian,
         I just sent my implementation to your email address
         (I don't want to clog everyone's email box with
         the attachment) with short description of the difference
         between our approaches. Please take a look. Thanks.
Hai-Chen Tu

At 02:04 AM 9/29/2004, Sebastian Kanthak wrote:
>seb...@mu...

Re: [WebMacro-user] First version of WebMacro/Spring integration

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Hi Sebastian,

Thanks so much.

Spring seems like it would be an excellent way to showcase WebMacro and 
vice versa.

I hope you and Hai make some headway.

Please add a build script as soon as possible, even if it is just to 
create a jar.

Kindest,

Lane

Sebastian Kanthak wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just checked a first version of the WebMacro/Spring integration into 
> the contrib CVS (in the spring directory).
>
> It's nothing too sophisticated, but I'm using it on my current project 
> and it works just fine for me. A little bit more of how it works can 
> be found in the USAGE file and the javadocs of the classes. I haven't 
> provided an ant-file right now, because I just ripped it out of my 
> current project and don't have much time right now.
>
> Hai-Chen, I'd like to work with you on improving this integration. You 
> said you've developed your own version, perhaps you have 
> suggestions... Where did you take a different approach then I did and 
> which areas do need more work, you think. Once we have this in a 
> releasable state, we can ask the Spring people I guess.
>
> Sebastian
>
> PS: I'm having a small macro-library as well that I'm using in my 
> views to display error-messages from spring and so on. I'll clean this 
> up and check it in tomorrow.
>
>
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[WebMacro-user] First version of WebMacro/Spring integration

[Sebastian K. <seb...@mu...>]

Hi all,

I just checked a first version of the WebMacro/Spring integration into 
the contrib CVS (in the spring directory).

It's nothing too sophisticated, but I'm using it on my current project 
and it works just fine for me. A little bit more of how it works can be 
found in the USAGE file and the javadocs of the classes. I haven't 
provided an ant-file right now, because I just ripped it out of my 
current project and don't have much time right now.

Hai-Chen, I'd like to work with you on improving this integration. You 
said you've developed your own version, perhaps you have suggestions... 
Where did you take a different approach then I did and which areas do 
need more work, you think. Once we have this in a releasable state, we 
can ask the Spring people I guess.

Sebastian

PS: I'm having a small macro-library as well that I'm using in my views 
to display error-messages from spring and so on. I'll clean this up and 
check it in tomorrow.

Re: Fwd: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Sebastian,

Could you check your code in asap to cvs and write up a page on the WM 
site and, lastly, be sure to cc the Spring group?

Many thanks,

Lane

Hai-Chen Tu wrote:

>
> This sounds wonderful. I also wrote a version of it last week but did 
> only
> minimum testing. Anyway, I suppose we should use Sebastian's version
> because it has been used already.
>
> Hai-Chen Tu
>
>
> At 12:13 PM 9/27/2004, Lane Sharman wrote:
>
>> Hai and Others,
>>
>> Sebastian has finished a Sping integration.
>>
>> Perhaps he can post to both Spring and to WM and coordinate with the 
>> rest of us?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lane
>>
>> Sebastian Kanthak wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Lane,
>>>
>>> I can't access my e-mail currently. I sent this reply yesterday, but
>>> it does not get to the list because of administraton issues. Could you
>>> either make a list administrator accept my message or directly forward
>>> this to the list?
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Sebastian Kanthak <mailto:ska...@gm...><ska...@gm...>
>>> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:32:54 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework
>>> To: 
>>> <mailto:web...@li...>web...@li... 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:11:50 -0700, Lane Sharman 
>>> <mailto:la...@op...><la...@op...> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you give me a good contact at Spring, I will work to engage 
>>>> somebody
>>>> to develop the hook.
>>>>
>>>> Generally, it is trivial to add a template system, once 2 or more are
>>>> already supported.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm using WebMacro and Spring on my current project and it is working
>>> fine together. I've already written the necessary code (pretty easy)
>>> and will check it into the webmacro's CVS the next days, as some
>>> people seem to be interested. Perhaps we should try to include this
>>> code into Spring as well, once it has become stable.
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Fwd: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

This sounds wonderful. I also wrote a version of it last week but did only
minimum testing. Anyway, I suppose we should use Sebastian's version
because it has been used already.

Hai-Chen Tu


At 12:13 PM 9/27/2004, Lane Sharman wrote:
>Hai and Others,
>
>Sebastian has finished a Sping integration.
>
>Perhaps he can post to both Spring and to WM and coordinate with the rest 
>of us?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Lane
>
>Sebastian Kanthak wrote:
>>
>>Hi Lane,
>>
>>I can't access my e-mail currently. I sent this reply yesterday, but
>>it does not get to the list because of administraton issues. Could you
>>either make a list administrator accept my message or directly forward
>>this to the list?
>>
>>Sebastian
>>
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>From: Sebastian Kanthak <mailto:ska...@gm...><ska...@gm...>
>>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:32:54 -0700
>>Subject: Re: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework
>>To: 
>><mailto:web...@li...>web...@li...
>>
>>Hey,
>>
>>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:11:50 -0700, Lane Sharman 
>><mailto:la...@op...><la...@op...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>If you give me a good contact at Spring, I will work to engage somebody
>>>to develop the hook.
>>>
>>>Generally, it is trivial to add a template system, once 2 or more are
>>>already supported.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I'm using WebMacro and Spring on my current project and it is working
>>fine together. I've already written the necessary code (pretty easy)
>>and will check it into the webmacro's CVS the next days, as some
>>people seem to be interested. Perhaps we should try to include this
>>code into Spring as well, once it has become stable.
>>
>>Sebastian
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Fwd: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Hai and Others,

Sebastian has finished a Sping integration.

Perhaps he can post to both Spring and to WM and coordinate with the 
rest of us?

Thanks,

Lane

Sebastian Kanthak wrote:

>Hi Lane,
>
>I can't access my e-mail currently. I sent this reply yesterday, but
>it does not get to the list because of administraton issues. Could you
>either make a list administrator accept my message or directly forward
>this to the list?
>
>Sebastian
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Sebastian Kanthak <ska...@gm...>
>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:32:54 -0700
>Subject: Re: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework
>To: web...@li...
>
>Hey,
>
>On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:11:50 -0700, Lane Sharman <la...@op...> wrote:
>  
>
>>If you give me a good contact at Spring, I will work to engage somebody
>>to develop the hook.
>>
>>Generally, it is trivial to add a template system, once 2 or more are
>>already supported.
>>    
>>
>
>I'm using WebMacro and Spring on my current project and it is working
>fine together. I've already written the necessary code (pretty easy)
>and will check it into the webmacro's CVS the next days, as some
>people seem to be interested. Perhaps we should try to include this
>code into Spring as well, once it has become stable.
>
>Sebastian
>
>  
>

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Re: [WebMacro-user] Re: WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Hai,

This sounds excellent. Let me know if I can be a good sounding board.

-Lane

Hai-Chen Tu wrote:

> Lane,
>         I think WebMacro has the best template syntax among all the 
> template solutions.
>
>         To better understand Spring, I will try to implement needed 
> classes to integrate
>         WebMacro with Spring using its existing implementation as a 
> reference. I think
>         the basic implementation is straightforward, e.g., keep most 
> webmacro configuration
>         setup through webmacro.xml and not through Sprint's 
> configuration file.
>
> Hai-Chen Tu
>
>
> At 12:21 PM 9/22/2004, Lane Sharman wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> WebMacro is a very solid, extensible API. Its syntax is actually 
>> cleaner than Velocity tho there are some sugarlets in Velo missing in 
>> WebMacro.
>>
>> WM does not have the glitz of Jakarta and Apache. It has the 
>> substance for making greating applications working with text but I am 
>> preaching the choir now, sorry!
>>
>> Can you, Ed (or Hai), consider looking into Spring and seeing if your 
>> code would be a propos. If so, I would be willng to work with you. I 
>> do not want to tackle this alone.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Lane
>>
>> Ed Randall wrote:
>>
>>> You might find that the "TemplateSystem" adapter that I wrote
>>> ages ago for using Webmacro (and Velocity) with Struts will also go 
>>> some way towards achieving what you need;
>>>
>>> I've not had time to look at Spring yet but since it hooks in to the 
>>> standard servlet "RequestDispatcher" API you might find it works 
>>> without modification (all caveats, YMMV though!)
>>>
>>> http://www.ingenotech.com/downloads/
>>>
>>> Glad to see that the webmacro project hasn't died, I was seriously 
>>> concerned recently to see that http://www.webmacro.org had vanished
>>> and http://webmacro.sourceforge.net also gave an empty page.
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/webmacro/ is still there and 
>>> www.webmacro.org is back now though fortunately.
>>>
>>> Ed
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[WebMacro-user] Re: WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Lane,
         I think WebMacro has the best template syntax among all the 
template solutions.

         To better understand Spring, I will try to implement needed 
classes to integrate
         WebMacro with Spring using its existing implementation as a 
reference. I think
         the basic implementation is straightforward, e.g., keep most 
webmacro configuration
         setup through webmacro.xml and not through Sprint's configuration 
file.

Hai-Chen Tu


At 12:21 PM 9/22/2004, Lane Sharman wrote:
>Hi,
>
>WebMacro is a very solid, extensible API. Its syntax is actually cleaner 
>than Velocity tho there are some sugarlets in Velo missing in WebMacro.
>
>WM does not have the glitz of Jakarta and Apache. It has the substance for 
>making greating applications working with text but I am preaching the 
>choir now, sorry!
>
>Can you, Ed (or Hai), consider looking into Spring and seeing if your code 
>would be a propos. If so, I would be willng to work with you. I do not 
>want to tackle this alone.
>
>thanks,
>
>Lane
>
>Ed Randall wrote:
>
>>You might find that the "TemplateSystem" adapter that I wrote
>>ages ago for using Webmacro (and Velocity) with Struts will also go some 
>>way towards achieving what you need;
>>
>>I've not had time to look at Spring yet but since it hooks in to the 
>>standard servlet "RequestDispatcher" API you might find it works without 
>>modification (all caveats, YMMV though!)
>>
>>http://www.ingenotech.com/downloads/
>>
>>Glad to see that the webmacro project hasn't died, I was seriously 
>>concerned recently to see that http://www.webmacro.org had vanished
>>and http://webmacro.sourceforge.net also gave an empty page.
>>http://sourceforge.net/projects/webmacro/ is still there and 
>>www.webmacro.org is back now though fortunately.
>>
>>Ed
>>
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Re: [WebMacro-user] Re: WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Hi,

WebMacro is a very solid, extensible API. Its syntax is actually cleaner 
than Velocity tho there are some sugarlets in Velo missing in WebMacro.

WM does not have the glitz of Jakarta and Apache. It has the substance 
for making greating applications working with text but I am preaching 
the choir now, sorry!

Can you, Ed (or Hai), consider looking into Spring and seeing if your 
code would be a propos. If so, I would be willng to work with you. I do 
not want to tackle this alone.

thanks,

Lane

Ed Randall wrote:

>You might find that the "TemplateSystem" adapter that I wrote
>ages ago for using Webmacro (and Velocity) with Struts will also go some 
>way towards achieving what you need;  
>
>I've not had time to look at Spring yet but since it hooks in to the 
>standard servlet "RequestDispatcher" API you might find it works 
>without modification (all caveats, YMMV though!)
>
>http://www.ingenotech.com/downloads/
>
>Glad to see that the webmacro project hasn't died, I was seriously 
>concerned recently to see that http://www.webmacro.org had vanished
>and http://webmacro.sourceforge.net also gave an empty page.
>http://sourceforge.net/projects/webmacro/ is still there and 
>www.webmacro.org is back now though fortunately.
>
>Ed
>
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[WebMacro-user] Templates cannot be found in default tomcat 5 install

[Tim P. <tpp...@pa...>]

Hi, 

Webmacro TemplateProvider cannot find files unpacked in 
a directory with spaces in the directory path under Windows XP.
This is obviously a problem as Tomcat is installed to 
C:\Program Files by default. 

I am using webmacro-classic-2.0b1 inside a .war file 
under a default install of Tomcat 5.0.25 and Tomcat 5.0.28.

My templates are in the classpath, ie in WEB-INF/classes

The problem (which I have solved so can't cut'n'paste) was:
File not found
C:/Program%20Files/Apache%20Group/Tomcat%205.0/webapps/melati/WEB-INF/classe
s/org/melati/admin/Main.wm 

I have installed Tomcat under C:\Tomcat5 and all is OK. 

Thought you might need to know. 

cheers
Tim Pizey

[WebMacro-user] Re: WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Ed R. <ed....@in...>]

You might find that the "TemplateSystem" adapter that I wrote
ages ago for using Webmacro (and Velocity) with Struts will also go some 
way towards achieving what you need;  

I've not had time to look at Spring yet but since it hooks in to the 
standard servlet "RequestDispatcher" API you might find it works 
without modification (all caveats, YMMV though!)

http://www.ingenotech.com/downloads/

Glad to see that the webmacro project hasn't died, I was seriously 
concerned recently to see that http://www.webmacro.org had vanished
and http://webmacro.sourceforge.net also gave an empty page.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/webmacro/ is still there and 
www.webmacro.org is back now though fortunately.

Ed

Re: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Hi Lane,
         Two key Spring developers are Rod Johnson and
         Juergen Hoeller. I am reading Rod's book
                 "Expert One-on-One J2EE Development without EJB"
         and it includes his contact address as "ex...@in...".
         You can also go http://forum.springframework.org to contact
         them through Spring's forum.

         You are correct saying that it is trivial to add WebMacro hook to
         Spring -- Spring JavaDoc shows just three Velocity-related files.
         I also believe that by adding a WebMacro hook to Spring will 
certainly
         increase WebMacro's popularity. This is also because the Spring
         download package includes jar files of many third-party open source
         packages that gives developers a one-stop-shopping experience.
         Bundling WebMacro with Spring will certainly give WebMacro a nice
         marketing push. (BTW, don't forget to ask them to add a section on
         WebMacro in Spring's reference manual. It will also be nice someone
         can put one good WebMacro-Spring example on their web site.
         Currently they only have a well-written step-by-step Web example
         using JSP w. Tomcat.)

Hai-Chen Tu

At 06:11 PM 9/21/2004, Lane Sharman wrote:
>Hi Hai,
>
>If you give me a good contact at Spring, I will work to engage somebody to 
>develop the hook.
>
>Generally, it is trivial to add a template system, once 2 or more are 
>already supported.
>
>Regardless of the loss of popularity, WebMacro is a fine solution for 
>applications and, because Velocity is a copy-cat, you can always migrate 
>to Velocity if you feel there are not enough warm bodies in the WM bar.
>
>-Lane
>
>Hai-Chen Tu wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>     I have been using WebMacro for three years already
>>     and have developed two ASP services using it. It goes
>>     without saying that I am a happy user of WebMacro.
>>
>>     Lately I have been learning the Sping Framework and am
>>     quite impressed with its lightweight framework architecture.
>>     With Spring, one can hook it up with a long list of Open Source
>>     packages ranging from database layer to web layer. It also
>>     provides its own MVC structure as an alternative to Struts.
>>     Unfortunately,  when I did a quick browse of what front-end
>>     packages it supports, I found it only supports JSP, Velocity, and
>>     Free Maker, but not WebMacro. I don't know enough about
>>     Spring to say how much effort it will take to add a WebMacro hook
>>     to Spring and my guess is that it should not be too difficult,
>>     especially it has done the hook with Velocity already.
>>     Anyway, I would like to suggest that the WebMacro team can
>>     evaluate such an effort and actively engage with the Sprint team
>>     to develop such a hook in Spring.
>>
>>     I firmly believe that Spring is going to be a strong force reshaping
>>     how Java software to be developed and WebMacro should not miss
>>     the boat.
>>
>>Hai-Chen Tu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Lane S. <la...@op...>]

Hi Hai,

If you give me a good contact at Spring, I will work to engage somebody 
to develop the hook.

Generally, it is trivial to add a template system, once 2 or more are 
already supported.

Regardless of the loss of popularity, WebMacro is a fine solution for 
applications and, because Velocity is a copy-cat, you can always migrate 
to Velocity if you feel there are not enough warm bodies in the WM bar.

-Lane

Hai-Chen Tu wrote:

> Hi,
>     I have been using WebMacro for three years already
>     and have developed two ASP services using it. It goes
>     without saying that I am a happy user of WebMacro.
>
>     Lately I have been learning the Sping Framework and am
>     quite impressed with its lightweight framework architecture.
>     With Spring, one can hook it up with a long list of Open Source
>     packages ranging from database layer to web layer. It also
>     provides its own MVC structure as an alternative to Struts.
>     Unfortunately,  when I did a quick browse of what front-end
>     packages it supports, I found it only supports JSP, Velocity, and
>     Free Maker, but not WebMacro. I don't know enough about
>     Spring to say how much effort it will take to add a WebMacro hook
>     to Spring and my guess is that it should not be too difficult,
>     especially it has done the hook with Velocity already.
>     Anyway, I would like to suggest that the WebMacro team can
>     evaluate such an effort and actively engage with the Sprint team
>     to develop such a hook in Spring.
>
>     I firmly believe that Spring is going to be a strong force reshaping
>     how Java software to be developed and WebMacro should not miss
>     the boat.
>
> Hai-Chen Tu
>
>
>     
>
>
>
>
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[WebMacro-user] WebMacro and Spring Framework

[Hai-Chen Tu <hc...@op...>]

Hi,
	I have been using WebMacro for three years already
	and have developed two ASP services using it. It goes
	without saying that I am a happy user of WebMacro.

	Lately I have been learning the Sping Framework and am
	quite impressed with its lightweight framework architecture.
	With Spring, one can hook it up with a long list of Open Source
	packages ranging from database layer to web layer. It also
	provides its own MVC structure as an alternative to Struts.
	Unfortunately,  when I did a quick browse of what front-end
	packages it supports, I found it only supports JSP, Velocity, and
	Free Maker, but not WebMacro. I don't know enough about
	Spring to say how much effort it will take to add a WebMacro hook
	to Spring and my guess is that it should not be too difficult,
	especially it has done the hook with Velocity already.
	Anyway, I would like to suggest that the WebMacro team can
	evaluate such an effort and actively engage with the Sprint team
	to develop such a hook in Spring.

	I firmly believe that Spring is going to be a strong force reshaping
	how Java software to be developed and WebMacro should not miss
	the boat.

Hai-Chen Tu


	

Re: [WebMacro-user] WebMacro site down?

[Nikhil G. D. <ng...@ce...>]

The WM site has been down for a long time now. I haven't been able to=20
access it since a month now. I always get redirected to some easydns page.


Endre St=F8lsvik wrote:

>I can't get to the webmacro site..
>
>Anyone care to check this, and give the server a slight kick if it
>actually is down?
>
>Thanks,
>Endre
>
>(Btw: what about a 2.0 soon?)
>
>
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[WebMacro-user] WebMacro site down?

[<Web...@St...>]

I can't get to the webmacro site..

Anyone care to check this, and give the server a slight kick if it
actually is down?

Thanks,
Endre

(Btw: what about a 2.0 soon?)

Re: [WebMacro-user] Tomcat can't unload webmacro... logging issue?

[<Web...@St...>]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Brian Goetz wrote:

| > | If you had paid attention, you'd see I actually did this in the last
| > | major overhaul.  And I was thinking of you when I did it.
|
| ...and I'll keep it to myself _what_ I was thinking... :)

Oh, PLEASE tell me!

Endre

Re: [WebMacro-user] Tomcat can't unload webmacro... logging issue?

[Brian G. <br...@qu...>]

> | If you had paid attention, you'd see I actually did this in the last
> | major overhaul.  And I was thinking of you when I did it.

...and I'll keep it to myself _what_ I was thinking... :)

Re: [WebMacro-user] Tomcat can't unload webmacro... logging issue?

[<Web...@St...>]

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Brian Goetz wrote:

| > | However, one could add logic to only start this thread, if the functionality
| > | to remove templates from the cache after some time is actually used (e.g.
| > | ExpireTime is set to a positive value).
| >
| > YES! YES! YES!!!
|
| If you had paid attention, you'd see I actually did this in the last
| major overhaul.  And I was thinking of you when I did it.

I obviously didn't pay attention, as I didn't notice this..

Thanks.

(Anyone: 2.0 going rc soon?)

Endre