webmacro-devel

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Webmacro documentation

[Alex F. <al...@fi...>]

Philipp,

On Wednesday 16 July 2008 09:59, you wrote:
> we are a company providing and hosting web pages for medium-sized
> enterprises, especially publishing houses.

oddly enough this is pretty much what I do (including webmacro and the 
publishing houses)!

> Our company is still using WebMacro to create thoses web pages. But
> since their homepage is not available anymore, we are not able to get to
> the documentation.
> Through research on sourceforge.net I found out that you are working on
> the project http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/.
> Due to this fact you may be able to tell me if the original
> documentation of webmacro.org is still available and how I can get it.
> I look forward to hearing from you.

I don't believe the documentation is available any more.  However, oddly 
enough I did offer to host the webmacro.org domain, but this offer got 
sidetracked due to me having a car accident.  However, my offer does still 
stand.  I've cc'd this email to the webmacro-devel list and hopefully we'll 
make progress on getting webmacro.org back online.  When/if we do then I'll 
drop you an email.

In the meantime, if there is a specific problem that you are trying to resolve 
then just ask me as I may be able to help you out without the website...

Alex

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Re: [Webmacro-devel] Webmacro documentation

[Alex F. <al...@fi...>]

Hi Tim,

On Wednesday 16 July 2008 19:44, Tim Pizey wrote:
> Hi Alex, Philip,
>
> Did the original message go to the list and get eaten by google spam
> filter?

No - was emailed direct to me.

> On Wednesday 16 July 2008 10:13:48 Alex Fiennes wrote:
> > Philipp,
> >
> > On Wednesday 16 July 2008 09:59, you wrote:
> > > we are a company providing and hosting web pages for medium-sized
> > > enterprises, especially publishing houses.
> >
> > oddly enough this is pretty much what I do (including webmacro and the
> > publishing houses)!
> >
> > > Our company is still using WebMacro to create thoses web pages. But
> > > since their homepage is not available anymore, we are not able to get
> > > to the documentation.
> > > Through research on sourceforge.net I found out that you are working on
> > > the project http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/.
> > > Due to this fact you may be able to tell me if the original
> > > documentation of webmacro.org is still available and how I can get it.
> > > I look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > I don't believe the documentation is available any more.
>
> The wiki stuff isn't, I don't believe, as it was not in CVS.

It wasn't to the best of my knowledge.  However, if someone will email me 
offlist with a zip of the code for the currently offline site + db dump + 
ideally a small bit of instructions then I'll reincarnate it on one of my 
servers.  We could put the docs into CVS as well, but I suspect that it would 
be better to just get the site back up and running.

> > However, oddly
> > enough I did offer to host the webmacro.org domain, but this offer got
> > sidetracked due to me having a car accident.  However, my offer does
> > still stand.  I've cc'd this email to the webmacro-devel list and
> > hopefully we'll make progress on getting webmacro.org back online. 
> > When/if we do then I'll drop you an email.
> >
> > In the meantime, if there is a specific problem that you are trying to
> > resolve then just ask me as I may be able to help you out without the
> > website...
> >
> > Alex
>
> I put a bit of effort into getting a clean webmacro build together,
> but got no feedback so haven't given it much attention recently.

I was watching the CVS commit messages, but didn't see anything that alarmed 
me particularly hence no feedback...

> Javacc inches slowly towards a 4.1 release, at which time I will have
> another go at regenerating the parser and integrating the
> javacc maven plugin into the build.
>
> The current build is available at
> http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/maven2/org/webmacro/webmacro/
>
> I think there is a bit of documentation in the CVS tree I could link up to
> the current site, at that time, I can't get back into WebMacro again at the
> moment, and I was rather deafened by the silence that greeted the move to
> Maven.

I am still using webmacro on a daily basis, and would be very happy to host 
the site if it would help.  I have some thoughts about things that I would 
like to do inside webmacro, but my thoughts haven't congealed enough to be 
publically presentable just yet...

Alex

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Re: [Webmacro-devel] Webmacro documentation

[E. S. <En...@St...>]

What happened to the improvements that was implemented by some dude
that suddenly started posting a while back (a year, maybe more). In
particular, he did some profiling, and found both huge memory "errors"
(some huge byte-arrays that were allocated, never used, and then
nulled, IIRC - in the "FastWriter" stuff, the bugs had appeared in the
refactorings away from the object pooling), and performance
improvements. He supplied patches, but I don't remember whether they
actully ever got into CVS.

Furthermore, I think a new release would do heaps of good. Just do a
build, tag it whatever, and stick it onto some site. Don't come up
with lame excuses: This project is pretty much dead anyways, and it
DOES NOT get better by having the latest and greatest for several
years only within CVS - not accessible for anyone except the
die-hards.

Just do it - don't fret about it or anything: JUST RELEASE A NEW BUILD.

Thanks,
Endre.

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Webmacro documentation

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi Endre, 

On Monday 04 August 2008 13:26:37 Endre Stølsvik wrote:
> What happened to the improvements that was implemented by some dude
> that suddenly started posting a while back (a year, maybe more). In
> particular, he did some profiling, and found both huge memory "errors"
> (some huge byte-arrays that were allocated, never used, and then
> nulled, IIRC - in the "FastWriter" stuff, the bugs had appeared in the
> refactorings away from the object pooling), and performance
> improvements. He supplied patches, but I don't remember whether they
> actully ever got into CVS.


I am fairly sure that this question has been asked before, and that the answer 
was yes, they were incorporated. 


> Furthermore, I think a new release would do heaps of good. Just do a
> build, tag it whatever, and stick it onto some site. 

This is done: see http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/project-summary.html
the current tag version is 2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT

The built jars are available here: 
http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/maven2/org/webmacro/webmacro/2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT/

What more are you looking for?

cheers
Tim

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Webmacro documentation

[E. S. <En...@St...>]

On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Tim Pizey <ti...@pa...> wrote:
> Hi Endre,
>
> On Monday 04 August 2008 13:26:37 Endre Stølsvik wrote:
>> What happened to the improvements that was implemented by some dude
>> that suddenly started posting a while back (a year, maybe more). In
>> particular, he did some profiling, and found both huge memory "errors"
>> (some huge byte-arrays that were allocated, never used, and then
>> nulled, IIRC - in the "FastWriter" stuff, the bugs had appeared in the
>> refactorings away from the object pooling), and performance
>> improvements. He supplied patches, but I don't remember whether they
>> actully ever got into CVS.
>
>
> I am fairly sure that this question has been asked before, and that the answer
> was yes, they were incorporated.

I actually KNOW I have asked it at least TWICE before, and that the
question have never been answered. Or that it was answered once, in a
"I kinda think so, but not sure"-style. Thus, I ask again, for the
people in the know to actually check it out - it can't be that
difficult to do once you have the build in some IDE, and know the
layout of the stuff. Maybe check the few commits that was done in the
two years prior to the flurry of commits that just was done..

>> Furthermore, I think a new release would do heaps of good. Just do a
>> build, tag it whatever, and stick it onto some site.
>
> This is done: see http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/project-summary.html
> the current tag version is 2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT

Nice! I must have missed the post.

>
> The built jars are available here:
> http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/maven2/org/webmacro/webmacro/2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT/
>
> What more are you looking for?

Not much, really - maybe drop the "RC1" part? What's the point of it,
when there is NO activity left in the project? Just to make people
uncertain about the quality of the build? - because that is an obvious
result of that name.

Thanks,
Endre.

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Webmacro documentation

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi Alex, Philip, 

Did the original message go to the list and get eaten by google spam filter?

On Wednesday 16 July 2008 10:13:48 Alex Fiennes wrote:
> Philipp,
> 
> On Wednesday 16 July 2008 09:59, you wrote:
> > we are a company providing and hosting web pages for medium-sized
> > enterprises, especially publishing houses.
> 
> oddly enough this is pretty much what I do (including webmacro and the 
> publishing houses)!
> 
> > Our company is still using WebMacro to create thoses web pages. But
> > since their homepage is not available anymore, we are not able to get to
> > the documentation.
> > Through research on sourceforge.net I found out that you are working on
> > the project http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/.
> > Due to this fact you may be able to tell me if the original
> > documentation of webmacro.org is still available and how I can get it.
> > I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> I don't believe the documentation is available any more.  

The wiki stuff isn't, I don't believe, as it was not in CVS. 

> However, oddly  
> enough I did offer to host the webmacro.org domain, but this offer got 
> sidetracked due to me having a car accident.  However, my offer does still 
> stand.  I've cc'd this email to the webmacro-devel list and hopefully we'll 
> make progress on getting webmacro.org back online.  When/if we do then I'll 
> drop you an email.
> 
> In the meantime, if there is a specific problem that you are trying to resolve 
> then just ask me as I may be able to help you out without the website...
> 
> Alex


I put a bit of effort into getting a clean webmacro build together, 
but got no feedback so haven't given it much attention recently. 

Javacc inches slowly towards a 4.1 release, at which time I will have 
another go at regenerating the parser and integrating the 
javacc maven plugin into the build. 

The current build is available at http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/maven2/org/webmacro/webmacro/

I think there is a bit of documentation in the CVS tree I could link up to the current site, 
at that time, I can't get back into WebMacro again at the moment, and I 
was rather deafened by the silence that greeted the move to Maven.


cheers
Tim