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[Webmacro-devel] Test failing through Maven but not Eclipse/Ant

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi, 

I have done quite a few commits, but none have changed functionality, 
and the ant run tests still pass unmodified on linux and windows. 

However not all tests pass under Maven (or Agitar though I do  not have those 
results to hand).

TestVersion is explicitly excluded from the Maven tests, as it relies upon ant 
magic. 

TestWindows1251Encoding.java  does not work in Maven on Linux

TestBackupCharStream.java works in eclipse, but not Maven

TestParseIncludeMacroDistribution.java works in eclipse, but not Maven

TestSetpropsDirective works in eclipse, but not Maven on Windows

With these tests excluded I have the test coverage up from 48% to 54%. 

cheers
TimP

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Re: [Webmacro-devel] License and repository in place for 2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi Endre, 

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 03:18, Endre Stølsvik wrote:
[snip]
> Tim Pizey wrote:
>
> > I will need to move src down to src/main/java next,
> > which I would do by cvs surgery - any objections?
>
> Yes, I find that *majorly* bad.
>
> That pretty much destroys all code history in a snap. All of a sudden
> you've made it impossible to go back to a coherent version before that
> surgery.
>
> And I honestly cannot see any reason for doing cvs surgery at all - what
> is the benefit of destroying the cvs history, vs. simply moving (copy
> and delete) the files?

Ah, I think you miss my point, by CVS surgery I mean going into the CVS 
repository and actually moving directories: 

cd /usr/cvsroot/webmacro
cd src
mkdir main
mkdir main/java
mv org main/java/

This does preserve histories, but means that developers will need 
to checkout again, so needs to be done when there are no outstanding 
commits.

cheers
TimP

Re: [Webmacro-devel] License and repository in place for 2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT

[Endre S. <En...@st...>]

Tim Pizey wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> License now at http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/license.html, 
> next publication should see funny characters go. 
> This was posted to the list and I assume was what people signed. 

Looks good.

> 
> You should be able to set http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/maven2/ as a 
> maven repository and pickup snapshot builds.
> 
> I have chosen 2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT as the current version, 
> hope that is right. 

Sounds nice.

> 
> I will need to move src down to src/main/java next, 
> which I would do by cvs surgery - any objections?

Yes, I find that *majorly* bad.

That pretty much destroys all code history in a snap. All of a sudden 
you've made it impossible to go back to a coherent version before that 
surgery.

And I honestly cannot see any reason for doing cvs surgery at all - what 
is the benefit of destroying the cvs history, vs. simply moving (copy 
and delete) the files?

One should go over to svn instead. Or git or any other of these 
distributed SCMs - so that others could work on local copies still with 
versioning - there could be better move ahead then.

Endre.

[Webmacro-devel] License and repository in place for 2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi all, 

License now at http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/license.html, 
next publication should see funny characters go. 
This was posted to the list and I assume was what people signed. 

You should be able to set http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/maven2/ as a 
maven repository and pickup snapshot builds.

I have chosen 2.1-RC1-SNAPSHOT as the current version, 
hope that is right. 

I will need to move src down to src/main/java next, 
which I would do by cvs surgery - any objections?

cheers
Tim

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Recent changes [Was Re: [WebMacro-cvs] webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro TestContext.java, 1.3, 1.4]

[Endre S. <En...@st...>]

>>>> 2) The bug fixes and huge optimizations (as for example removing
>>>> allocations of huge buffers that was never used) that this
>>>> dude-out-of-nowhere came up with after profiling WM rather extensively,
>>>> been stacked into the code?
>>> I do not know.
>> Well, since you have the code "active" in your editor, and obviously
>> have access to cvs, which I don't
> 
> This could be fixed, it sounds like you know what you are talking about and 
> care. 
> 
> I would love to have the time to do as you suggest, but I only have 
> so much free time as this is not for my day job.
> 
> I am happy to apply any patches you post. 

*Are* there any mailing list archives???

I don't remember the name of this guy, only that he posted several 
patches, all performance related. I am not sure, though, that any of 
them got applied, because all you folks with The Access didn't seem to 
make a move.

This project probably should use git instead of cvs/svn.

Endre.

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Recent changes [Was Re: [WebMacro-cvs] webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro TestContext.java, 1.3, 1.4]

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi Endre, 

On Sunday 16 March 2008 20:30, Endre Stølsvik wrote:
> Tim Pizey wrote:
> > Hi Endre and all
> >
> > On Sunday 16 March 2008 17:28, Endre Stølsvik wrote:
> >> Tim P wrote:
> >>> Update of /cvsroot/webmacro/webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro
> >>> In directory
> >>> sc8-pr-cvs9.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv15870/test/unit/org/webmacro
> >>>
> >>> Modified Files:
> >>> 	TestContext.java
> >>> Log Message:
> >>> Eclipse warning: unused variable
> >
> > Hmm, I am not getting any CVS messages at the moment,
> > maybe spamassassin is eating them.
> >
> >> It is cool that you fix up WM..
> >>
> >> Two questions:
> >>
> >> 1) Have the license change that has been acknowledged by original author
> >> been effectuated? -> BSD w/o advertising clause, wasn't it?
> >
> > Eugh, licensing is my least favourite topic.
>
> OK?
>
> Hope for your sake that you don't sell any software then.

I mostly sell my services, ie writing software to do a job, the software is 
never sold again. 

> > As far as I am concerned anyone can do what they want with my code.
> > My understanding is that we are dual Apache/GPL.
>
> Is this mentioned in the headers of the files, and in a README?

There was extensive traffic on this in 2006, which I have and will revisit.
I will fix this because Maven and Checkstyle demand that we have 
a LICENSE.txt file and the one I use caused some comment. 

[snip]


> >> 2) The bug fixes and huge optimizations (as for example removing
> >> allocations of huge buffers that was never used) that this
> >> dude-out-of-nowhere came up with after profiling WM rather extensively,
> >> been stacked into the code?
> >
> > I do not know.
>
> Well, since you have the code "active" in your editor, and obviously
> have access to cvs, which I don't

This could be fixed, it sounds like you know what you are talking about and 
care. 

I would love to have the time to do as you suggest, but I only have 
so much free time as this is not for my day job.

I am happy to apply any patches you post. 

> , could you care to check it up? IIRC, 
> there were _significant_ boosts of the stuff he did. In particular,
> there was some megabytes-char arrays that was just constructed and never
> actually used - in the FastWriter stuff. This had something to do with
> the pooling mechanism that .. isn't (?) any longer used..
>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Endre.
> >
> > Although I have been involved with WebMacro since the start, it is only
> > recently that I have gained the skills and the tools to actually
> > understand and modify it.  (Hooray for Eclipse/Maven).
> >
> > These tools do however find little mistakes and harmless omissions,
> > so all I am doing is aiming to make WebMacro 'clean' in the sense of
> > having no warnings in Eclipse.
> >
> > I have some other, longer term goals:
> >
> > 1. When next version of javacc eventually comes out to use that,
> > as it produces fewer warnigs, and a documented version of the grammar.
> > I am about to commit a regeneration from the javacc snapshot as it
> > already creates fewer warnings.
>
> What is the big benefit of this?

No big benefit, I like to use Eclipse with its warnings enabled, but when 
you have to turn some classes of warning off then it is not as helpful.
Also I wrote the grammar documenter, so I want to actually see it get used. 

> > 3. Introduce a plugable module which enables the style of template
> > writing which was available in WM 0.98 where white space was eaten in a
> > way which left readable HTML
>
> It is possible to insert spaces and such now also - it is just a PITA.
> However, it was certainly a PITA before also - there is apparently just
> no golden way to do this.

I know, but I want the one that worked for me back. 
I am happy to keep the one we have at the moment, but I 
want  to be able to configure a different ruleset.

> > I have started to scratch my Maven itch by introducing a POM and
> > publishing a project site at http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/
> > (this url was unused).
> > Of particular value/interest is the Cobertura report at
> > http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/cobertura/index.html
> >
> > If people are happy then maybe I could become an Admin and
> > make http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/  the homepage until
> > webmacro.org resurfaces.
>
> I'm happy that ANYTHING happens with WebMacro - I find it quite sad that
> it has died.
>
> But if it is hoped that anyone shall use it, the licensing issue MUST be
> taken care of.

I think I have the emails so should be able to put a LICENSE file in.

> > This weekend I tested WM against Velocity for speed.
> > The tests of Melati are now nearing completion, so I
> > decided to time them and then change to Velocity and time it.
> > The result, which perhaps should not suprise, is that the difference
> > between WM and Velocity are not discernable, ie the variations in running
> > time within WM and Velocity are far greater then between them.
> > Melati tests with WebMacro: 1 min 5/9/11 seconds Velocity 1 Min 4/9/22
> > I ran the tests with internet access disabled but still got 11 second
> > difference in performance within Velocity runs.
>
> This is actually not the result that the company I worked for got
> testing the same thing.
>
> Webmacro FAR outran Velocity. In pretty much every aspect. Also WebMacro
> has some features that makes certain jobs that was tested against
> extremely much faster. Yeah, wonder if it wasn't something like this:
> WebMacro "streams" the results into a buffer. OTOH, Velocity basically
> does a string-concatenation, resulting in bucketloads of trash. Velo
> doesn't have the Macro class (is it?), so that you cannot make your
> object implement it and thus output into the final stream, you HAVE to
> make it into a string, which then is added to the result (Velo does a
> .toString() on everything, concatenating the result, like a huge
> StringBuffer)
>
> Some changes was suggested to the Velocity list due to this realization,
> so there might have been changes since then (about 1-2 years ago).

This is encouraging. 
My tests do a lot of things other than use the template engine, 
so they did not really produce interesting results, though they did 
highlight where Melati is not completely template engine agnostic.

> Endre.

I hope to get WM to a 2.1 release, but there is quite a bit of work to do, 
just to stand still. 

cheers
Tim

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Recent changes [Was Re: [WebMacro-cvs] webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro TestContext.java, 1.3, 1.4]

[Endre S. <En...@st...>]

Tim Pizey wrote:
> Hi Endre and all
> 
> On Sunday 16 March 2008 17:28, Endre Stølsvik wrote:
>> Tim P wrote:
>>> Update of /cvsroot/webmacro/webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro
>>> In directory
>>> sc8-pr-cvs9.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv15870/test/unit/org/webmacro
>>>
>>> Modified Files:
>>> 	TestContext.java
>>> Log Message:
>>> Eclipse warning: unused variable
> Hmm, I am not getting any CVS messages at the moment, 
> maybe spamassassin is eating them. 
> 
>> It is cool that you fix up WM..
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> 1) Have the license change that has been acknowledged by original author
>> been effectuated? -> BSD w/o advertising clause, wasn't it?
> 
> Eugh, licensing is my least favourite topic. 

OK?

Hope for your sake that you don't sell any software then.

> As far as I am concerned anyone can do what they want with my code.
> My understanding is that we are dual Apache/GPL.

Is this mentioned in the headers of the files, and in a README?

Because NO-ONE can really use it properly without this taken properly 
care of. If you intend to use this as your own code, that's of course 
OK. But I won't touch GPL code with a five-fucking-million feet pole 
when it comes to anything remotely commercial.

I do remember VIVIDLY that this was taken care of, and that .. 
whats-his-name ... gave full permission to change the license, as the 
company that now "owns" this stuff is no more, and that he himself 
didn't have any interest in anymore other than that he hoped other could 
ise it. I believe the consensus went with BSD, I believe, WITHOUT the 
advertising clause. BSD is GPL compatible. Apache claims that Apache 2 
is compatible, while the Gnus aren't that sure.

This is in the email archives.

This MUST be taken care of if it is hoped that WebMacro shall again be 
usable to others than the five people on this list.

> 
>> 2) The bug fixes and huge optimizations (as for example removing
>> allocations of huge buffers that was never used) that this
>> dude-out-of-nowhere came up with after profiling WM rather extensively,
>> been stacked into the code?
> 
> I do not know.

Well, since you have the code "active" in your editor, and obviously 
have access to cvs, which I don't, could you care to check it up? IIRC, 
there were _significant_ boosts of the stuff he did. In particular, 
there was some megabytes-char arrays that was just constructed and never 
actually used - in the FastWriter stuff. This had something to do with 
the pooling mechanism that .. isn't (?) any longer used..

> 
>> Thanks,
>> Endre.
> 
> Although I have been involved with WebMacro since the start, it is only 
> recently that I have gained the skills and the tools to actually understand 
> and modify it.  (Hooray for Eclipse/Maven).
> 
> These tools do however find little mistakes and harmless omissions, 
> so all I am doing is aiming to make WebMacro 'clean' in the sense of 
> having no warnings in Eclipse. 
> 
> I have some other, longer term goals:
> 
> 1. When next version of javacc eventually comes out to use that, 
> as it produces fewer warnigs, and a documented version of the grammar.
> I am about to commit a regeneration from the javacc snapshot as it already 
> creates fewer warnings.

What is the big benefit of this?

> 
> 3. Introduce a plugable module which enables the style of template 
> writing which was available in WM 0.98 where white space was eaten in a 
> way which left readable HTML

It is possible to insert spaces and such now also - it is just a PITA. 
However, it was certainly a PITA before also - there is apparently just 
no golden way to do this.

> 
> I have started to scratch my Maven itch by introducing a POM and 
> publishing a project site at http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/ 
> (this url was unused).
> Of particular value/interest is the Cobertura report at 
> http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/cobertura/index.html
> 
> If people are happy then maybe I could become an Admin and 
> make http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/  the homepage until 
> webmacro.org resurfaces.

I'm happy that ANYTHING happens with WebMacro - I find it quite sad that 
it has died.

But if it is hoped that anyone shall use it, the licensing issue MUST be 
taken care of.

> 
> This weekend I tested WM against Velocity for speed.
> The tests of Melati are now nearing completion, so I 
> decided to time them and then change to Velocity and time it. 
> The result, which perhaps should not suprise, is that the difference
> between WM and Velocity are not discernable, ie the variations in running time 
> within WM and Velocity are far greater then between them. 
> Melati tests with WebMacro: 1 min 5/9/11 seconds Velocity 1 Min 4/9/22 
> I ran the tests with internet access disabled but still got 11 second 
> difference in performance within Velocity runs. 

This is actually not the result that the company I worked for got 
testing the same thing.

Webmacro FAR outran Velocity. In pretty much every aspect. Also WebMacro 
has some features that makes certain jobs that was tested against 
extremely much faster. Yeah, wonder if it wasn't something like this: 
WebMacro "streams" the results into a buffer. OTOH, Velocity basically 
does a string-concatenation, resulting in bucketloads of trash. Velo 
doesn't have the Macro class (is it?), so that you cannot make your 
object implement it and thus output into the final stream, you HAVE to 
make it into a string, which then is added to the result (Velo does a 
.toString() on everything, concatenating the result, like a huge 
StringBuffer)

Some changes was suggested to the Velocity list due to this realization, 
so there might have been changes since then (about 1-2 years ago).

Endre.

Re: [Webmacro-devel] Recent changes [Was Re: [WebMacro-cvs] webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro TestContext.java, 1.3, 1.4]

[Alex F. <al...@fi...>]

On Sunday 16 March 2008 19:46, Tim Pizey wrote:
> Hi Endre and all
>
> On Sunday 16 March 2008 17:28, Endre Stølsvik wrote:
> > Tim P wrote:
> > > Update of /cvsroot/webmacro/webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro
> > > In directory
> > > sc8-pr-cvs9.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv15870/test/unit/org/webmacro
> > >
> > > Modified Files:
> > > 	TestContext.java
> > > Log Message:
> > > Eclipse warning: unused variable
>
> Hmm, I am not getting any CVS messages at the moment,
> maybe spamassassin is eating them.

I'm getting the messages.

<snip>

> > 2) The bug fixes and huge optimizations (as for example removing
> > allocations of huge buffers that was never used) that this
> > dude-out-of-nowhere came up with after profiling WM rather extensively,
> > been stacked into the code?
>
> I do not know.

Endre: do you have any online references to messages about this?

<snip>

> If people are happy then maybe I could become an Admin and
> make http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/  the homepage until
> webmacro.org resurfaces.

I haven't been contacted by anyone about hosting webmacro.org as of yet.

<snip>

Alex

[Webmacro-devel] Recent changes [Was Re: [WebMacro-cvs] webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro TestContext.java, 1.3, 1.4]

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi Endre and all

On Sunday 16 March 2008 17:28, Endre Stølsvik wrote:
> Tim P wrote:
> > Update of /cvsroot/webmacro/webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro
> > In directory
> > sc8-pr-cvs9.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv15870/test/unit/org/webmacro
> >
> > Modified Files:
> > 	TestContext.java
> > Log Message:
> > Eclipse warning: unused variable
>
Hmm, I am not getting any CVS messages at the moment, 
maybe spamassassin is eating them. 

> It is cool that you fix up WM..
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1) Have the license change that has been acknowledged by original author
> been effectuated? -> BSD w/o advertising clause, wasn't it?

Eugh, licensing is my least favourite topic. 
As far as I am concerned anyone can do what they want with my code.
My understanding is that we are dual Apache/GPL.

> 2) The bug fixes and huge optimizations (as for example removing
> allocations of huge buffers that was never used) that this
> dude-out-of-nowhere came up with after profiling WM rather extensively,
> been stacked into the code?

I do not know.

> Thanks,
> Endre.

Although I have been involved with WebMacro since the start, it is only 
recently that I have gained the skills and the tools to actually understand 
and modify it.  (Hooray for Eclipse/Maven).

These tools do however find little mistakes and harmless omissions, 
so all I am doing is aiming to make WebMacro 'clean' in the sense of 
having no warnings in Eclipse. 

I have some other, longer term goals:

1. When next version of javacc eventually comes out to use that, 
as it produces fewer warnigs, and a documented version of the grammar.
I am about to commit a regeneration from the javacc snapshot as it already 
creates fewer warnings.

2. Understand the changes that broke Melati's use of FastWriter and 
fix Melati.

3. Introduce a plugable module which enables the style of template 
writing which was available in WM 0.98 where white space was eaten in a 
way which left readable HTML

I have started to scratch my Maven itch by introducing a POM and 
publishing a project site at http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/ 
(this url was unused).
Of particular value/interest is the Cobertura report at 
http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/cobertura/index.html

If people are happy then maybe I could become an Admin and 
make http://webmacro.sourceforge.net/  the homepage until 
webmacro.org resurfaces.

This weekend I tested WM against Velocity for speed.
The tests of Melati are now nearing completion, so I 
decided to time them and then change to Velocity and time it. 
The result, which perhaps should not suprise, is that the difference
between WM and Velocity are not discernable, ie the variations in running time 
within WM and Velocity are far greater then between them. 
Melati tests with WebMacro: 1 min 5/9/11 seconds Velocity 1 Min 4/9/22 
I ran the tests with internet access disabled but still got 11 second 
difference in performance within Velocity runs. 

cheers
TimP

Re: [Webmacro-devel] [WebMacro-cvs] webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro TestContext.java, 1.3, 1.4

[Endre S. <En...@st...>]

Tim P wrote:
> Update of /cvsroot/webmacro/webmacro/test/unit/org/webmacro
> In directory sc8-pr-cvs9.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv15870/test/unit/org/webmacro
> 
> Modified Files:
> 	TestContext.java 
> Log Message:
> Eclipse warning: unused variable

It is cool that you fix up WM..

Two questions:

1) Have the license change that has been acknowledged by original author 
been effectuated? -> BSD w/o advertising clause, wasn't it?

2) The bug fixes and huge optimizations (as for example removing 
allocations of huge buffers that was never used) that this 
dude-out-of-nowhere came up with after profiling WM rather extensively, 
been stacked into the code?

Thanks,
Endre.

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Alex F. <al...@fi...>]

On Sunday 09 March 2008 13:19, Tim Pizey wrote:
> Hi Laramie,
>
> On Saturday 08 March 2008 22:11, Laramie Crocker wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I also use webmacro extensively, and I'd be willing to ensure that the
> > code remains available, by helping get a sourceforge page, or whatever
> > else would help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Laramie Crocker
>
> The code is all available at webmacro.sourceforge.net, but webmacro.org
> has gone off line.
>
> Alex, who had volunteered to host webmacro.org has had a bad car accident.

that is true and I was unconscious for some time, but I'm back now and the 
offer to host webmacro still stands.  Someone should get in touch with me 
offlist and detail what is required in terms of infrastructure and I'll see 
about setting it up.

Alex

> Webmacro.org held a lot of documentation, and a sadly abused wiki.
>
> What exactly do you want from webmacro.org?
>
> I am keen to see a Maven generated webmacro site, much like
> http://www.context-computing.co.uk/~timp/webmacro/
>
> I use Maven exclusively now, so want to see a proper maven build of
> webmacro, an itch which I will scratch, in time.
>
>
> cheers
> Tim Pizey
>
>
>
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Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi Laramie, 

On Saturday 08 March 2008 22:11, Laramie Crocker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I also use webmacro extensively, and I'd be willing to ensure that the
> code remains available, by helping get a sourceforge page, or whatever
> else would help.
>
> Thanks,
> Laramie Crocker

The code is all available at webmacro.sourceforge.net, but webmacro.org 
has gone off line. 

Alex, who had volunteered to host webmacro.org has had a bad car accident. 

Webmacro.org held a lot of documentation, and a sadly abused wiki. 

What exactly do you want from webmacro.org?

I am keen to see a Maven generated webmacro site, much like 
http://www.context-computing.co.uk/~timp/webmacro/

I use Maven exclusively now, so want to see a proper maven build of webmacro, 
an itch which I will scratch, in time. 


cheers
Tim Pizey

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Laramie C. <lc...@dy...>]

Hi,

I also use webmacro extensively, and I'd be willing to ensure that the 
code remains available, by helping get a sourceforge page, or whatever 
else would help.

Thanks,
Laramie Crocker

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Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

On Sunday 23 December 2007 14:42, Alex Fiennes wrote:
> On Sunday 23 December 2007 13:05, Tim Pizey wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tuesday 06 November 2007 21:33, Alex Fiennes wrote:
> > > > > I would be happy to host it - or at least a static mirror of it.
> > > > > Contact me offlist and we can have a chat about what is involved.
> >
> > Any movement on this?
> > It's dead at the moment.
>
> I've been a bit slow recently having suffered a head-on car collission
> about 4 weeks ago that is still leaving me a little bit woozy (and broken
> in many many many ways).
>
> however, I still have a number of servers and the offer of hosting is still
> there, but if anyone has contacted me about it then I've missed the email.
>
> Alex

Alex, 
Glad to hear you are still alive, hope  you recover.

All the best, no pressure wrt webmacro.

Tim

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Alex F. <al...@fi...>]

On Sunday 23 December 2007 13:05, Tim Pizey wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday 06 November 2007 21:33, Alex Fiennes wrote:
> > > > I would be happy to host it - or at least a static mirror of it.
> > > > Contact me offlist and we can have a chat about what is involved.
>
> Any movement on this?
> It's dead at the moment.

I've been a bit slow recently having suffered a head-on car collission about 4 
weeks ago that is still leaving me a little bit woozy (and broken in many 
many many ways).

however, I still have a number of servers and the offer of hosting is still 
there, but if anyone has contacted me about it then I've missed the email.

Alex

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

Hi, 

On Tuesday 06 November 2007 21:33, Alex Fiennes wrote:
> > > I would be happy to host it - or at least a static mirror of it. 
> > > Contact me offlist and we can have a chat about what is involved.

Any movement on this?
It's dead at the moment. 

Cheers
Tim

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Marcello H <mar...@gm...>]

To all Wm-lovers,

I use it privately, but not in my current day job. I still look for an
opportunity to squeez it in a project somehow.
I am busy on a crud-like aware thingy (in WM) but I have just a little spare
time to work on this.

In my eyes, it's unthinkable that WM someday will disappear.
I could host too it guess, but it's on my home-server, and don't know how
much bandwidth it takes to host this.

greetings from Holland,
Marcel


2007/11/6, Eric B. Ridge <eb...@tc...>:
>
> Hey guys, we're getting ready to abandon our hosting of
> www.webmacro.org for a number of reasons.  I'm for this because a)
> WebMacro seems dead :(, b) The site has been "graffiti'd" to death,
> and c) I no longer have time to maintain it.
>
> Concerning C above, while I still work at TCDI, I'm now just a part-
> time employee and the majority of my time is being spent running my
> new pool room/bar.
>
> Do any of you have the time and desire to host it?
>
> eric
>
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Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Alex F. <al...@fi...>]

On Tuesday 06 November 2007 21:07, Tim Pizey wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 November 2007 19:38, Alex Fiennes wrote:
> > On Tuesday 06 November 2007 18:12, Eric B.Ridge wrote:
> > > Hey guys, we're getting ready to abandon our hosting of
> > > www.webmacro.org for a number of reasons.  I'm for this because a)
> > > WebMacro seems dead :(, b) The site has been "graffiti'd" to death,
> > > and c) I no longer have time to maintain it.
> > >
> > > Concerning C above, while I still work at TCDI, I'm now just a part-
> > > time employee and the majority of my time is being spent running my
> > > new pool room/bar.
> > >
> > > Do any of you have the time and desire to host it?
> >
> > I would be happy to host it - or at least a static mirror of it.  Contact
> > me offlist and we can have a chat about what is involved.
> >
> > Alex
>
> Cool, that would be good.
> I would be very sad to see webmacro disappear.
>
> I still use it, though Melati can quite happily use Velocity.
>
> Can we not put webmacro.org onto sourceforge as well as the
> cvs etc?
> What about dev.java.net?
>
> Alex, I could host at paneris.net if you have any difficulty.

there really shouldn't be any problem - I have plenty of server + bandwidth 
space at present.

> It would be as well to close the wiki I think.

or close off non-approved posters?  I don't know if this is simple or not...

> I don't want to stop using webmacro any time soon.

I still use it daily and have no intention of abandoning it in the near future 
either.

Alex

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

On Tuesday 06 November 2007 19:38, Alex Fiennes wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 November 2007 18:12, Eric B.Ridge wrote:
> > Hey guys, we're getting ready to abandon our hosting of
> > www.webmacro.org for a number of reasons.  I'm for this because a)
> > WebMacro seems dead :(, b) The site has been "graffiti'd" to death,
> > and c) I no longer have time to maintain it.
> >
> > Concerning C above, while I still work at TCDI, I'm now just a part-
> > time employee and the majority of my time is being spent running my
> > new pool room/bar.
> >
> > Do any of you have the time and desire to host it?
>
> I would be happy to host it - or at least a static mirror of it.  Contact
> me offlist and we can have a chat about what is involved.
>
> Alex

Cool, that would be good.
I would be very sad to see webmacro disappear. 

I still use it, though Melati can quite happily use Velocity. 

Can we not put webmacro.org onto sourceforge as well as the 
cvs etc?
What about dev.java.net?

Alex, I could host at paneris.net if you have any difficulty. 

It would be as well to close the wiki I think.

I don't want to stop using webmacro any time soon. 

cheers
timp

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Marc P. <ma...@an...>]

On 6 Nov 2007, at 18:12, Eric B.Ridge wrote:

> Hey guys, we're getting ready to abandon our hosting of
> www.webmacro.org for a number of reasons.  I'm for this because a)
> WebMacro seems dead :(, b) The site has been "graffiti'd" to death,
> and c) I no longer have time to maintain it.
>
> Concerning C above, while I still work at TCDI, I'm now just a part-
> time employee and the majority of my time is being spent running my
> new pool room/bar.
>
> Do any of you have the time and desire to host it?
>

Hey Eric,

Glad to see you are getting more time in the pool room :)

Sorry I can't help with hosting. It's sad to hear this as it really  
seems like WebMacro's day is long gone, but I can understand it, I no  
longer use it at all.

I find it hard to believe that templating languages still don't seem  
to have taken off that well. Any thoughts on why this is? I don't  
believe Velocity is exactly storming the gates of JSP these days.

Invitation to all: Come and check out Grails 1.0 - the framework is  
rocking the worlds of us and many others. We don't have WebMacro, we  
have GSP and Sitemesh, but it is no bitter pill. Grails is full-stack  
web development for Java/Groovy with productivity like you wouldn't  
believe! http://grails.org

Marc
~ ~ ~
Marc Palmer
Grails > Groovy > Java
http://www.grailsrocks.com

Re: [Webmacro-devel] www.webmacro.org is on the verge of going away

[Alex F. <al...@fi...>]

On Tuesday 06 November 2007 18:12, Eric B.Ridge wrote:
> Hey guys, we're getting ready to abandon our hosting of
> www.webmacro.org for a number of reasons.  I'm for this because a)
> WebMacro seems dead :(, b) The site has been "graffiti'd" to death,
> and c) I no longer have time to maintain it.
>
> Concerning C above, while I still work at TCDI, I'm now just a part-
> time employee and the majority of my time is being spent running my
> new pool room/bar.
>
> Do any of you have the time and desire to host it?

I would be happy to host it - or at least a static mirror of it.  Contact me 
offlist and we can have a chat about what is involved.

Alex