Re: [WebMacro-user] ANNOUNCE: WebMacro 2.0b1 has been released

[Tim P. <ti...@pa...>]

On Monday 01 March 2004 4:30 pm, Keats wrote:
> From: "Tim Pizey" <ti...@pa...>
>
> > In particular the removal of the
> > org.webmacro.Template(FastWriter, WebContext) method
> > has me at a loss.
>
> Sorry you're having such trouble.  Believe it or not, the FastWriter
> changes were an attempt to simplify things.  It just seemed like an ext=
ra
> level of complexity that could be complete hidden from the users.=20
> Generally you should be able to replace reference to FastWriter with
> references to the underlying OutputStream.

I think the problem is about ordering.

Magically Melati was able to write to the underlying output stream at the=
=20
right moment.=20
I cannot understand how that used to work.=20

> IMHO, the problem appears to be that Metali is too tightly coupled to t=
he
> internals of WebMacro. =20

I agree, and said so at the time, but understanding and writing this code=
=20
(and the Velocity and JTemplater code) was TimJ 'at the top of his game'=20
it was the best and most difficult coding he had done.=20

Undoing it appears to be beyond me.

> I'd suggest keeping it simple and just use trivial
> adapters around the WebMacro API.
>
> I'm happy to try and help any way I can.

I have a feeling that I am making a mountain out of a molehill,=20
and after this many years I get a bit upset with myself that I can't=20
'just do it' .

I don't know what your setup is, but Melati is meant to be=20
easy to download, compile and run.

Currently if you download from CVS,=20
cd build
ant go
http://localhost:8080/
You will find that the example works but that=20
the inner templets are rendered to the output stream before the=20
main template is rendered.


> > Is there any interest in Freezing the 1.1 API and maintaining that?
>
> This is a good idea, but probably not realistic for us.  We can at leas=
t
> keep the source available and post any usefull patches that come along.
>
> > (To be honest  the last version that worked for me was 0.98)
>
> Any particular bugs in 1.1 that we can help with?  I'm not aware of any
> serious outstanding bugs.

No 'bugs', but the white space eating behaviour was changed,=20
correctly I can see for non HTML rendering applications,=20
but my templates no longer produce the pretty HTML they used to.

I am sure that there are improvements and features that have been=20
added since that time, but as far as I know I have no need of any of them=
=2E

> > The 2.0 API appears to have lost vital elements of the API and gained
> > a raft of stuff that shouldn't be in a template engine,
> > moving more and more towards a framework.
>
> Please be specific, so we can decide if your critiques have merit.
>
> Actually one of the objectives of the new release was to provide a mini=
mal
> configuration for folks who don't want "a raft of stuff".  Most of the
> changes have been to streamline and simplify the code.

Yeah, I know, sorry, just been wasting precious time for nearly a week=20
now without doing paying work.=20

>
> Good luck.

Thanks

Tim

>
> Keats
>
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