From: <ste...@bl...> - 2001-12-18 10:42:47
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1) Is there anywhere a reliable black list from where I can copy known spam domains into the spam control module? 2) Will it be possible to do something like "automatically update black list" in spam control? I think of a feature like the automatical update of modules. -------------------------------------- Goeldi.com - Internet Services -------------------------------------- www.goeldi.com we...@go... Tel +41-61-7330555 Fax +41-61-7330556 -------------------------------------- |
From: Stuart L. <th...@pe...> - 2001-12-18 12:59:21
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Errr, You would probably want to use MAPS. Not sure if that is possible in Webmin though. :-/ Stuart --- Perlboy Productions - www.Perlboy.org ABN: 24 405 136 795 Blogger for the Masses - www.Seekbrain.com > -----Original Message----- > From: web...@li... > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Stephan > Göldi > Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2001 8:46 PM > To: webmin > Subject: Spam Control > > > 1) Is there anywhere a reliable black list from where I can copy > known spam > domains into the spam control module? > > 2) Will it be possible to do something like "automatically update black > list" in spam control? I think of a feature like the automatical update of > modules. > > > -------------------------------------- > Goeldi.com - Internet Services > -------------------------------------- > www.goeldi.com > we...@go... > Tel +41-61-7330555 > Fax +41-61-7330556 > -------------------------------------- > > > > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at > web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > > |
From: <ste...@bl...> - 2001-12-18 13:24:13
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> You would probably want to use MAPS. Not sure if that is possible in Webmin > though. :-/ What is MAPS? |
From: Stuart L. <th...@pe...> - 2001-12-18 13:53:46
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Realtime Blackhole List. http://www.mail-abuse.org/ It is an online database which has hosts and email addresses which are known spammers. Connecting it to sendmail is relatively easy (follow the tutorials) and it works quite well. Stuart --- Perlboy Productions - www.Perlboy.org ABN: 24 405 136 795 Blogger for the Masses - www.Seekbrain.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephan Göldi [mailto:ste...@bl...] > Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2001 11:28 PM > To: Stuart Low; webmin > Subject: Re: Spam Control > > > > You would probably want to use MAPS. Not sure if that is possible in > Webmin > > though. :-/ > > What is MAPS? > > |
From: David B. J. <dav...@ho...> - 2001-12-18 15:59:28
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even if there was such a list, a list like that would amount to censorship. some questions: who would maintain such a list? Would they be accountable for errors? The notorious SpamCop comes to mind. those spamcop people are self appointed, not accountable to anyone, Gestapo of email. what if you're site is erroneously put on such a list? who would maintain an arbitration system of 'how to get off this blacklist' if you were falsley accused? <horror of horrors> Just my opinion David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephan Göldi" <ste...@bl...> To: "webmin" <web...@li...> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:46 AM Subject: Spam Control > 1) Is there anywhere a reliable black list from where I can copy known spam > domains into the spam control module? > > 2) Will it be possible to do something like "automatically update black > list" in spam control? I think of a feature like the automatical update of > modules. > > > -------------------------------------- > Goeldi.com - Internet Services > -------------------------------------- > www.goeldi.com > we...@go... > Tel +41-61-7330555 > Fax +41-61-7330556 > -------------------------------------- > > > > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > |
From: Craig W. <cra...@az...> - 2001-12-18 16:32:09
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David Bruce Jr wrote: > > even if there was such a list, a list like that would amount to censorship. > > some questions: > > who would maintain such a list? > > Would they be accountable for errors? > The notorious SpamCop comes to mind. > > those spamcop people are self appointed, not accountable to anyone, > Gestapo of email. > > what if you're site is erroneously put on such a list? > > who would maintain an arbitration system of 'how to get off this blacklist' > if you were falsley accused? > > <horror of horrors> > --- see http://www.ordb.org Sorry - sent this to original poster last night - meant to send it to the list Craig |
From: Brad C. <bc...@vi...> - 2001-12-18 18:21:32
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On Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 11:08 AM, David Bruce Jr wrote: > even if there was such a list, a list like that would amount to > censorship. And jailing of murderers is discrimination against murderers. > who would maintain such a list? > Would they be accountable for errors? > The notorious SpamCop comes to mind. > those spamcop people are self appointed, not accountable to anyone, > Gestapo of email. > what if you're site is erroneously put on such a list? > who would maintain an arbitration system of 'how to get off > this blacklist' > if you were falsley accused? See http://www.mail-abuse.org/ > <horror of horrors> There are bigger horrors to worry about. Like letting spammers run lose, to start with one of the smaller ones. > Just my opinion And mine. |
From: Jason <ja...@wk...> - 2001-12-18 21:29:12
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Brad Cox wrote: > > There are bigger horrors to worry about. Like letting spammers > run lose, to start with one of the smaller ones. > > > Just my opinion > > And mine. > For spam control the best thing so far I have found is a filtering script called SpamAssassin (http://spamassassin.taint.org). It's perl based and real easy to get along with. Ties into mail via procmail but there are other ways of calling it. The thing here is it tests messages for common spammer tricks/traits. It looks through both the header and body for all sorts of things like improper formating of headers, Catch phrases, can use RBL lists, and much more. Each thing it detects has a weight and once a threshold is hit the message is tagged as spam. The cool part with this system is it just tags the message putting *****SPAM***** in the subject header and a brief description in the body as to why it was tagged. All the mail still comes through. From there you just sort it off to a folder with your local mail browser (or procmail). It allows all the mail through but gives the end user the final say on what gets deleted. Plus the weights on the tests are user adjustable including the threshold. Toss in allow/deny lists and it's really nice. No more gripes about mail being blocked. Since most people don't write like spammers it doesn't block legit mail all that often. Off topic I know sorry. It could be a webmin module though ;) Jason Portwood ja...@wk... |
From: Len C. <LConrad@Go2France.com> - 2001-12-19 12:03:25
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look at IMGate in my sig. a few 100 ISP's and other orgs have adopted it, with uniformly great results. Spam reduction, and SMTP DoS vulneability, is probably well over 90%. The last 5% or 10% just isn't worth your time to block. >1) Is there anywhere a reliable black list from where I can copy known spam >domains into the spam control module? I run this in my imgate RBL_domains: maps_rbl_domains = relays.ordb.org, inputs.orbz.org, dialups.relays.osirusoft.com, spews.relays.osirusoft.com, or.orbl.org, DNS validations help tremendously (esp blocking unknown @senderdomain). protocol restrictions such as refusing unauthorized SMTP commmand pipelining blocks most harvesters. there is a webmin module for postfix, but I found it too restrictive, and postfix too simple to need it. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways |
From: Dennis <de...@et...> - 2001-12-19 22:52:18
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>look at IMGate in my sig. a few 100 ISP's and other orgs have adopted it, >with uniformly great results. Spam reduction, and SMTP DoS vulneability, >is probably well over 90%. The last 5% or 10% just isn't worth your time >to block. > > >I run this in my imgate RBL_domains: > >maps_rbl_domains = relays.ordb.org, > inputs.orbz.org, > dialups.relays.osirusoft.com, > spews.relays.osirusoft.com, > or.orbl.org, The measure isnt how much spam you block, but how good it is at not blocking mail you want to get (which could be very expensive, and spam is cheap). There are lots of bogus entries in orbs as anyone running an old version of sendmail is in there. We mail out licenses and some customers complain that they dont get it...but its because it has the word "free" in it and their spam filter dumps it. Too bad for them. Dennis |
From: Jim H. <jl...@ch...> - 2001-12-20 00:53:27
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You might want to look at SpamAssassin as well (spamassassin.taint.org) and spamcop.net. I've just started using SA and it's catching >90% and only 3 false positives (2 of which were HTML only e-mails from a hotmail account, with gobs of graphics). -jlh |