From: Patrick K. O'B. <po...@or...> - 2001-06-20 21:42:11
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Except that the VPython folks have a design goal that is quite tangential to IDLE's. They need a tool to support their visual python modules (which allow the manipulation of 3D objects and should not to be confused with ActiveState's IDE) and the teaching of physics. While I do think their needs should be accomodated, I don't know that they would want to be responsible for IDLE development as a whole. (But I could be wrong.) I've added them to the recipients of this message. We'll see if they respond. (The vpython list has been quiet lately.) --- Patrick K. O'Brien Orbtech "I am, therefore I think." -----Original Message----- From: tut...@py... [mailto:tut...@py...]On Behalf Of Dethe Elza Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:20 PM To: IDLE Developers List Cc: Python Edu SIG; Python Tutor Subject: [Tutor] Re: [Edu-sig] RE: [Idle-dev] IDLE "deemphasised"? Please not so... That's great news! Are the VPython folks listening? --Dethe on 01/6/20 11:06 AM, Guido van Rossum at gu...@di... wrote: >> It seems to me that the VPython folk are the perfect ones to pick up the >> IDLE development reins. They're actively working on IDLE already, have >> already implemented the autosave mentioned, as well as some others, and >> generally seem willing and interested. I'm not sure what the reasoning is >> for keeping the VPython IDLE off in its own fork and not bringing it in as >> the official IDLE, since it is being actively developed. > > I think it was that I wanted to keep control over the direction in > which IDLE was going. The idle-fork SourceForge project was created > so they could do their development. But I don't think much happened > there, and I haven't really done much except stifle IDLE development, > so I'm ready to relax my control. I do have that subprocess-running > code which I would like to get worked into IDLE first though... > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > > -- Dethe Elza Chief Mad Scientist Burning Tiger Technologies _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tu...@py... http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor |
From: Bruce S. <ba...@an...> - 2001-06-20 23:29:52
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Concerning VPython and IDLE: At the same time that he created the Visual module, which provides remarkably easy 3D animated graphics for Python (Visual + Python = VPython), David Scherer made major changes to IDLE, including: executes scripts in a separate process for stability excludes system modules from tracebacks usability changes, including reorganized menus autosave on every run, with infinite un-do scrolling output has a header marking the start of each run This has turned out to be an ideal environment for novices (as measured by use by a large number of physics students), and is also an excellent rapid edit-run environment for experts. Alas, there is no active work on this at present, because Scherer is not currently in a situation where he can spend time on this, and we have no one else in the project currently capable of pushing this forward. It is certainly the case that Scherer's version of IDLE is an exceptionally promising candidate to become the "official" IDLE, but unfortunately we are not able to lead the charge right now. Bruce Sherwood P.S. We have just released VPython for Python 2.1 on Windows: http://cil.andrew.cmu.edu/projects/visual This new release installs Scherer's IDLE in Tools/idle_VPython, leaving the standard IDLE in place. Desktop and start-menu icons are added that access the VPython version of IDLE. |
From: Kirby U. <pd...@te...> - 2001-06-21 03:28:40
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> >P.S. We have just released VPython for Python 2.1 on Windows: > > http://cil.andrew.cmu.edu/projects/visual > >This new release installs Scherer's IDLE in Tools/idle_VPython, leaving >the standard IDLE in place. Desktop and start-menu icons are added that >access the VPython version of IDLE. Excellent!! I'm gonna grab mine now. Cheers, Kirby |
From: Kirby U. <pd...@te...> - 2001-06-21 03:36:37
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At 08:27 PM 6/20/2001 -0700, Kirby Urner wrote: >>P.S. We have just released VPython for Python 2.1 on Windows: >> >> http://cil.andrew.cmu.edu/projects/visual >> >>This new release installs Scherer's IDLE in Tools/idle_VPython, leaving >>the standard IDLE in place. Desktop and start-menu icons are added that >>access the VPython version of IDLE. > > >Excellent!! > >I'm gonna grab mine now. > >Cheers, > >Kirby Took only seconds to grab and install. Works like a charm. Arthur, your PyGeo package is running way smoother now that I have an official VPython 2.1. Pascal3d is trouble free -- was something of a mess earlier. This is great! Kirby |