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From: Bruce P. <bap...@te...> - 2007-10-21 15:23:14
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I'm trying to make a distributable app with python 2.5, vpython, and scipy for Windows XP. My understanding is that vpython uses the numeric library while scipy uses (or is the same as ?) the numpy library. This seems to cause a conflict in the namespace when I use py2exe to make a distributable. Py2exe complains about most all numpy/numeric modules not being found. I noticed in beta 16 that the beta uses numpy rather than numeric. However beta 16 crashes my Win XP OS -- I need to do a power cycle to unfreeze it after using beta 16 with vpython demos. So switching to beta 16 is out. Are there any plans on separate track for the next version of vpython to only include numpy rather than numeric and leave the other beta 16 features to be resolved later? Bruce Peterson 425 466 7344 |
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From: Bruce S. <Bru...@nc...> - 2007-10-21 16:57:54
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This is indeed awkward, but it won't get fixed very soon. On the one hand, as has been documented and you experienced, the beta version is buggy on Windows. I'm gearing up to work on this myself, but I have no prediction of when we will see improvement. On the other hand, the production version depends on numeric (and includes it), and there is no one available to my knowledge who can do the work to replace numeric with numpy in that version. The conversion from numeric to numpy in the beta version was done by Arthur Siegel last winter, just before he unexpectedly died. Scipy is more than numpy; numpy is the foundation for other components of scipy. Bruce Sherwood Bruce Peterson wrote: > I'm trying to make a distributable app with python 2.5, vpython, and > scipy for Windows XP. My understanding is that vpython uses the > numeric library while scipy uses (or is the same as ?) the numpy > library. This seems to cause a conflict in the namespace when I use > py2exe to make a distributable. Py2exe complains about most all > numpy/numeric modules not being found. > > > I noticed in beta 16 that the beta uses numpy rather than numeric. > However beta 16 crashes my Win XP OS -- I need to do a power cycle to > unfreeze it after using beta 16 with vpython demos. So switching to > beta 16 is out. Are there any plans on separate track for the next > version of vpython to only include numpy rather than numeric and > leave the other beta 16 features to be resolved later? > > Bruce Peterson > 425 466 7344 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Visualpython-users mailing list > Vis...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/visualpython-users |
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From: Gary P. <gar...@gm...> - 2007-10-21 17:22:51
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I've been thinking about translating the regular (non-beta) release to numpy. It wouldn't have the new features, but it would sever the ties to numeric. I wouldn't get to it before January (if then, as my tenure case is coming up ...) In the meantime, I've never used py2exe, so I may be way off base here, but is the problem namespace polution? If so, Bruce might have luck with the likes of import visual as v import numeric as nu import numpy as n import scipy as s etc. Calls to visual structures should go to Numeric ( v.sphere(), for example) and calls to scipy should go to numpy ( s.linspace() for example). I think. :) just a thought. -gary On 10/21/07, Gary Pajer <gar...@gm...> wrote: > I've been thinking about translating the regular (non-beta) release to > numpy. It wouldn't have the new features, but it would sever the ties > to numeric. I wouldn't get to it before January (if then as my > tenure case is coming up ...) > > In the meantime, I've never used py2exe, so I may be way off base > here, but is the problem namespace polution? If so, Bruce might have > luck with the likes of > > import visual as v > import numeric as nu > import numpy as n > import scipy as s > etc. > > Calls to visual structures should go to Numeric ( v.sphere(), for > example) and calls to scipy should go to numpy ( s.linspace() for > example). I think. :) > > just a thought. > > -gary > > On 10/21/07, Bruce Sherwood <Bru...@nc...> wrote: > > This is indeed awkward, but it won't get fixed very soon. > > > > On the one hand, as has been documented and you experienced, the beta > > version is buggy on Windows. I'm gearing up to work on this myself, but > > I have no prediction of when we will see improvement. > > > > On the other hand, the production version depends on numeric (and > > includes it), and there is no one available to my knowledge who can do > > the work to replace numeric with numpy in that version. The conversion > > from numeric to numpy in the beta version was done by Arthur Siegel last > > winter, just before he unexpectedly died. > > > > Scipy is more than numpy; numpy is the foundation for other components > > of scipy. > > > > Bruce Sherwood > > > > Bruce Peterson wrote: > > > I'm trying to make a distributable app with python 2.5, vpython, and > > > scipy for Windows XP. My understanding is that vpython uses the > > > numeric library while scipy uses (or is the same as ?) the numpy > > > library. This seems to cause a conflict in the namespace when I use > > > py2exe to make a distributable. Py2exe complains about most all > > > numpy/numeric modules not being found. > > > > > > > > > I noticed in beta 16 that the beta uses numpy rather than numeric. > > > However beta 16 crashes my Win XP OS -- I need to do a power cycle to > > > unfreeze it after using beta 16 with vpython demos. So switching to > > > beta 16 is out. Are there any plans on separate track for the next > > > version of vpython to only include numpy rather than numeric and > > > leave the other beta 16 features to be resolved later? > > > > > > Bruce Peterson > > > 425 466 7344 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > > > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Visualpython-users mailing list > > > Vis...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/visualpython-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Visualpython-users mailing list > > Vis...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/visualpython-users > > > |
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From: Bruce S. <Bru...@nc...> - 2007-10-21 18:26:32
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That's very good news, Gary, that you might work on this. Bruce Sherwood Gary Pajer wrote: > I've been thinking about translating the regular (non-beta) release to > numpy. It wouldn't have the new features, but it would sever the ties > to numeric. I wouldn't get to it before January (if then, as my > tenure case is coming up ...) > > In the meantime, I've never used py2exe, so I may be way off base > here, but is the problem namespace polution? If so, Bruce might have > luck with the likes of > > import visual as v > import numeric as nu > import numpy as n > import scipy as s > etc. > > Calls to visual structures should go to Numeric ( v.sphere(), for > example) and calls to scipy should go to numpy ( s.linspace() for > example). I think. :) > > just a thought. > > -gary > > >> >> On 10/21/07, Bruce Sherwood <Bru...@nc...> wrote: >>> This is indeed awkward, but it won't get fixed very soon. >>> >>> On the one hand, as has been documented and you experienced, the beta >>> version is buggy on Windows. I'm gearing up to work on this myself, but >>> I have no prediction of when we will see improvement. >>> >>> On the other hand, the production version depends on numeric (and >>> includes it), and there is no one available to my knowledge who can do >>> the work to replace numeric with numpy in that version. The conversion >>> from numeric to numpy in the beta version was done by Arthur Siegel last >>> winter, just before he unexpectedly died. >>> >>> Scipy is more than numpy; numpy is the foundation for other components >>> of scipy. >>> >>> Bruce Sherwood >>> >>> Bruce Peterson wrote: >>>> I'm trying to make a distributable app with python 2.5, vpython, and >>>> scipy for Windows XP. My understanding is that vpython uses the >>>> numeric library while scipy uses (or is the same as ?) the numpy >>>> library. This seems to cause a conflict in the namespace when I use >>>> py2exe to make a distributable. Py2exe complains about most all >>>> numpy/numeric modules not being found. >>>> >>>> >>>> I noticed in beta 16 that the beta uses numpy rather than numeric. >>>> However beta 16 crashes my Win XP OS -- I need to do a power cycle to >>>> unfreeze it after using beta 16 with vpython demos. So switching to >>>> beta 16 is out. Are there any plans on separate track for the next >>>> version of vpython to only include numpy rather than numeric and >>>> leave the other beta 16 features to be resolved later? >>>> >>>> Bruce Peterson >>>> 425 466 7344 >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >>>> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >>>> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. >>>> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Visualpython-users mailing list >>>> Vis...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/visualpython-users >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. >>> Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. >>> Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. >>> Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Visualpython-users mailing list >>> Vis...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/visualpython-users >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. > Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. > Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. > Download your FREE copy of Splunk now >> http://get.splunk.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Visualpython-users mailing list > Vis...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/visualpython-users |