From: Ives, T. W. <tho...@hp...> - 2005-05-17 15:26:56
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Frank, I thought these links might be helpful in your case: http://www.python.org/Quotes.html Where several key industry rep's praise Python. If you get them past loading Python, VPython should be easy. thom=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: vis...@li...=20 > [mailto:vis...@li...] On=20 > Behalf Of Frank Noschese > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:00 PM > To: vis...@li...; ed...@py... > Subject: [Visualpython-users] UPDATE: High School Network Security >=20 > Hello again, >=20 > Thanks to everyone that gave input to my Vpython installation=20 > roadblock. Like Arthur said, this is not a situation which=20 > will be fixed by a little "education." I asked the tech=20 > coordinator to outline the reasons why installing open source=20 > is not in the school's best interest. Here is the reply: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > "In Reference to our ticket #313, there are a number of=20 > reasons why we (the technical team) decided that it would not=20 > be in keeping with the "best practices" of the district to=20 > install open source software on the districts computers and=20 > network. Four key reasons are as follows: >=20 > 1) Lack of technical support from the 'vendor'. Since most=20 > open source software is provided 'free' and is not maintained=20 > by a central vendor, technical support is limited if not non=20 > existent. With this lack of technical support of the software=20 > products in question, we have no way of getting help when the=20 > software has a problem or is the cause of problems with the network. >=20 > 2) Product testing was another reason. Since there are so=20 > many contributors to open source software, in many cases, the=20 > software is not tested for compatibility and stability. As=20 > such, there is no level of expectation that the product will=20 > function as stated. Further more, with the limited testing of=20 > the software, we have no idea of what problems or ill effects=20 > the software may have on the computers and network. >=20 > 3) Legal issues. According to the American Bar Association,=20 > Contributors do not vouch for the cleanliness of the code=20 > they contribute to the project; in fact, the opposite is true=20 > -- the standard open source license is designed to be very=20 > protective of the contributor. The typical license form does=20 > not include any intellectual property representations,=20 > warranties or indemnities in favor of the licensee; it=20 > contains a broad disclaimer of all warranties that benefits=20 > the licensor/contributors. Seeing in that there is no way for=20 > us to verify that the code that contributors are adding is=20 > there own, we may be opening up the district to legal actions=20 > should the software or portions there of are copyrighted and=20 > being used illegally or improperly. See attachment for more detail... >=20 > 4) Security of the "system." Since in most cases, anyone can=20 > obtain a copy of the source code of the software (OPEN=20 > SOURCE), we are running the risk of a user being able to=20 > modify the software on the network and manipulated it in such=20 > a manor to produce undesired effects. Since we have to look=20 > out for the stability and security of the network, this was=20 > viewed as a possible security issue. Another security concern=20 > is the ability of virus introduction. Since the source code=20 > is open, anyone so inclined, could create a virus to exploit=20 > the software without much difficulty. This ability to=20 > introduce a virus or other malicious code to the system can=20 > have the effect of bringing the system "down" > and possible data loss or corruption." > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Also included in the email was information from the American=20 > Bar Association > at: <http://www.abanet.org/intelprop/opensource.html> >=20 > Any thoughts from you folks? Do they have any truly valid=20 > points? Perhaps a "Live CD" is my best (only?) option. >=20 > Many thanks again, > Frank Noschese > John Jay High School > Cross River, NY >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by Oracle Space Sweepstakes=20 > Want to be the first software developer in space? > Enter now for the Oracle Space Sweepstakes! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7412&alloc_id=3D16344&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Visualpython-users mailing list > Vis...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/visualpython-users >=20 |
From: <ajs...@op...> - 2005-05-17 16:08:35
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thom writes - >I thought these links might be helpful in your case: >http://www.python.org/Quotes.html Where several key industry rep's >praise Python. If you get them past loading Python, VPython should be >easy. For the record, I am of the opinion that what Frank is running into is symptomatic of deeper issues about the roll-out of technology in the school systems. There is a good degree, IMO, of somnambulism driving the process. It is definitely a good, progessive thing to do. That we know. We're just sure why. The situation leaves a gaping hole for those with a business interest in the developments. It is their mission to be convincing and we are predisposed to be convinced. There are many circumstances where one can relax with the knowledge that in the end merit will triumph - even if the road there is a bit convoluted. I cannot relax because I don't see this as one of those circumstances. I do agree that if there is a fight to be made it has to be conducted at a higher political level than tangling with the school system AV department. I guess I am not yet so cynical as to believe that a political will cannot be developed to revisit the circumstance of our school systems - working within the circumstances of extremely limited resources - *insisting* on paying for product and services where products and services of equal or higher quality are available for little or nothing. But I am reluctant to join forces with the Open Source folks who would be satisfied with that victory alone. I would not. I would press on toward much better answers to the questions of why, when and where the introduction of technology is appropriate to enhance the educational experience of young people. I personally see a quite narrow set of such circumstances. I am here because I happen to think VPython is exactly the type of application that fills that narrow slit. But I can generalize very little from the fact that I can well understand how VPython can be used productively. I happen to believe that there aren't many VPythons out there. Or else, not many slits. Art |