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[Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Guy K. K. <g....@ma...>]

The subject pretty much says it all ...

Has anybody managed to get Visual to work on Ubuntu Karmic?

For me neither the pre-compiled repository binaries in versino 5.11 worked, 
neither the back ported ones from Debian Sid (5.12), nor a direct compile.

I'm always hitting a road block, and I'm supposing the reason could be the 
boost 1.38 libraries as present in Karmic.

Any stories to share where it worked?

Guy

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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Bruce S. <Bru...@nc...>]

In a bug report at

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-visual/+bug/408663

Guy reported various aspects of the problem with the new Ubuntu Karmic 
and gave a pointer to http://ur1.ca/du0m which documents the same 
problem with PySide that we're experiencing with Visual, and which was 
just reported on Windows using Python 2.6.3 instead of 2.6.2.

I've just reproduced this same problem after compiling from source on 
Windows using Boost 1.39 and Python 2.6.3, as soon as you execute from 
visual import *:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "<pyshell#0>", line 1
     from visual import *
   File "C:\Python26\lib\site-packages\visual\__init__.py", line 59
     import cvisual
AttributeError: 'Boost.Python.StaticProperty' object attribute '__doc__' 
is read-only

It would appear that something is seriously wrong with the Boost Python 
libraries and/or Python 2.6.3 or both. It seems unlikely that both 
PySide and Visual are doing something wrong, especially since things 
worked in the past.

As far as Visual is concerned, until and unless someone figures out the 
underlying problem I guess we have to stay with Python 2.6.2...? Guy, 
when you've tried building on Karmic, is that Python 2.6.3?

Bruce Sherwood

Guy K. Kloss wrote:
> The subject pretty much says it all ...
> 
> Has anybody managed to get Visual to work on Ubuntu Karmic?
> 
> For me neither the pre-compiled repository binaries in versino 5.11 worked, 
> neither the back ported ones from Debian Sid (5.12), nor a direct compile.
> 
> I'm always hitting a road block, and I'm supposing the reason could be the 
> boost 1.38 libraries as present in Karmic.
> 
> Any stories to share where it worked?
> 
> Guy
> 

Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Guy K. K. <g....@ma...>]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:05:01 Bruce Sherwood wrote:
> As far as Visual is concerned, until and unless someone figures out the 
> underlying problem I guess we have to stay with Python 2.6.2...? Guy, 
> when you've tried building on Karmic, is that Python 2.6.3?

On Karmic that was 2.6.4. And it did work on Jaunty, which is Python 2.6.2.

So it could be either Python or Boost. However if I'd make a guess, I'd rather 
guess it's the Boost libs. The Python C API is known to be quite robust within 
major releases.

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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Bruce S. <Bru...@nc...>]

For what it's worth, I successfully compiled and ran Visual on Windows for 
Python 2.6.2 using the same Boost 1.39 libraries that didn't work with Python 
2.6.3. So now I wonder whether the problem isn't with Python 2.6.3, not with Boost.

Bruce Sherwood

Bruce Sherwood wrote:
> In a bug report at
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-visual/+bug/408663
> 
> Guy reported various aspects of the problem with the new Ubuntu Karmic 
> and gave a pointer to http://ur1.ca/du0m which documents the same 
> problem with PySide that we're experiencing with Visual, and which was 
> just reported on Windows using Python 2.6.3 instead of 2.6.2.
> 
> I've just reproduced this same problem after compiling from source on 
> Windows using Boost 1.39 and Python 2.6.3, as soon as you execute from 
> visual import *:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "<pyshell#0>", line 1
>      from visual import *
>    File "C:\Python26\lib\site-packages\visual\__init__.py", line 59
>      import cvisual
> AttributeError: 'Boost.Python.StaticProperty' object attribute '__doc__' 
> is read-only
> 
> It would appear that something is seriously wrong with the Boost Python 
> libraries and/or Python 2.6.3 or both. It seems unlikely that both 
> PySide and Visual are doing something wrong, especially since things 
> worked in the past.
> 
> As far as Visual is concerned, until and unless someone figures out the 
> underlying problem I guess we have to stay with Python 2.6.2...? Guy, 
> when you've tried building on Karmic, is that Python 2.6.3?
> 
> Bruce Sherwood
> 
> Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>> The subject pretty much says it all ...
>>
>> Has anybody managed to get Visual to work on Ubuntu Karmic?
>>
>> For me neither the pre-compiled repository binaries in versino 5.11 worked, 
>> neither the back ported ones from Debian Sid (5.12), nor a direct compile.
>>
>> I'm always hitting a road block, and I'm supposing the reason could be the 
>> boost 1.38 libraries as present in Karmic.
>>
>> Any stories to share where it worked?
>>
>> Guy
>>
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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Guy K. K. <g....@ma...>]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:03:56 Bruce Sherwood wrote:
> For what it's worth, I successfully compiled and ran Visual on Windows for 
> Python 2.6.2 using the same Boost 1.39 libraries that didn't work with
>  Python  2.6.3. So now I wonder whether the problem isn't with Python
>  2.6.3, not with Boost.

That is very good. We're starting to get somewhere with this. So, 
unfortunately it's mostly out of our hands to fix this problem. It seems like 
we need to have a fix for Boost to play along with Python >= 2.6.3 or some 
adaptation to Python. However, I've got the feeling that maybe the "virtue" of 
the older Python version was potentially a shortcoming that was fixed 
recently, and now we (Boost or the usage of Boost) have to evolve around that.

Guy

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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Lenore H. <lh...@si...>]

On Oct 20, 2009, at 22:10 , Guy K. Kloss wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:03:56 Bruce Sherwood wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I successfully compiled and ran Visual on  
>> Windows for
>> Python 2.6.2 using the same Boost 1.39 libraries that didn't work  
>> with
>> Python  2.6.3. So now I wonder whether the problem isn't with Python
>> 2.6.3, not with Boost.
>
> That is very good. We're starting to get somewhere with this. So,
> unfortunately it's mostly out of our hands to fix this problem. It  
> seems like
> we need to have a fix for Boost to play along with Python >= 2.6.3  
> or some
> adaptation to Python. However, I've got the feeling that maybe the  
> "virtue" of
> the older Python version was potentially a shortcoming that was fixed

Python 2.6.3 apparently needs svn version of boost to work.  See http://groups.google.com/group/python-ogre-developers/browse_thread/thread/130617f8c69f1bcb#

Apparently there exist versions of boost that support python 3.  https://svn.boost.org/svn/boost/website/public_html/beta/feed/history/boost_1_41_0.qbk

Lenore

Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Guy K. K. <g....@ma...>]

Just filed another bug on Launchpad against boost1.38:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boost1.38/+bug/457688

I've been told that an Ubuntu developer I know has been given the info that it 
probably won't be fixed in the release candidate (which is due tomorrow) or 
final Karmic, but could be fixed in karmic-updates once it's tracked down.

Guy

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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Guy K. K. <g....@ma...>]

Apparently that was a good move to file that bug. Other people have become 
aware of it and are looking into it, now. Also people on the Python project 
itself, as the fix that modified the __doc__ behaviour might have some 
previously unexpected side effects as this one we're talking about. Anyway, 
here is their job ticket:
 
http://bugs.python.org/issue7183



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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Bruce S. <Bru...@nc...>]

Thanks much for tracking this and reporting progress (or lack thereof)!

Bruce Sherwood

Guy K. Kloss wrote:
> Apparently that was a good move to file that bug. Other people have become 
> aware of it and are looking into it, now. Also people on the Python project 
> itself, as the fix that modified the __doc__ behaviour might have some 
> previously unexpected side effects as this one we're talking about. Anyway, 
> here is their job ticket:
>  
> http://bugs.python.org/issue7183
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Tony R. <To...@br...>]

I just successfully ran visual by compiling boost from svn, and using
5.13

I will try more tests to confirm, and also try with 5.11 to make sure
it had nothing to do with visual

Also, boost 1.40.0rc1 did not work, I used trunk which identifies
itself as 1.41.0

On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:50 PM, "Bruce Sherwood"
<Bru...@nc...> wrote:

> Thanks much for tracking this and reporting progress (or lack
> thereof)!
>
> Bruce Sherwood
>
> Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>> Apparently that was a good move to file that bug. Other people have
>> become
>> aware of it and are looking into it, now. Also people on the Python
>> project
>> itself, as the fix that modified the __doc__ behaviour might have
>> some
>> previously unexpected side effects as this one we're talking about.
>> Anyway,
>> here is their job ticket:
>>
>> http://bugs.python.org/issue7183
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Tony R. <To...@br...>]

All tests work on 5.11 as well, although I do get some issues that may
be only related to me:

VPython WARNING: errors in sharer program:
linking with uncompiled shader

None of my materials work, either, seems to be related.  When I run
the materials_test I get that output for each skinned object...

Anyone know of this?

On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:39 PM, "Tony Risinger" <To...@br...> wrote:

> I just successfully ran visual by compiling boost from svn, and using
> 5.13
>
> I will try more tests to confirm, and also try with 5.11 to make sure
> it had nothing to do with visual
>
> Also, boost 1.40.0rc1 did not work, I used trunk which identifies
> itself as 1.41.0
>
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:50 PM, "Bruce Sherwood"
> <Bru...@nc...> wrote:
>
>> Thanks much for tracking this and reporting progress (or lack
>> thereof)!
>>
>> Bruce Sherwood
>>
>> Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>>> Apparently that was a good move to file that bug. Other people have
>>> become
>>> aware of it and are looking into it, now. Also people on the Python
>>> project
>>> itself, as the fix that modified the __doc__ behaviour might have
>>> some
>>> previously unexpected side effects as this one we're talking about.
>>> Anyway,
>>> here is their job ticket:
>>>
>>> http://bugs.python.org/issue7183
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Guy K. K. <g....@ma...>]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:24:36 Tony Risinger wrote:
> All tests work on 5.11 as well, although I do get some issues that may
> be only related to me:
> 
> VPython WARNING: errors in sharer program:
> linking with uncompiled shader

Would you be so kind and add potentially helpful but missing information to 
the bug report on launchpad, please?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boost1.38/+bug/457688

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Re: [Visualpython-users] Visual on Ubuntu *Karmic*? Has *anyone* managed?

[Guenter S. <Gue...@ph...>]

Tony Risinger wrote:
> All tests work on 5.11 as well, although I do get some issues that may
> be only related to me:
> 
> VPython WARNING: errors in sharer program:
> linking with uncompiled shader
In my experience, this message appears when not using hardware 
accelerated graphics. Not a bug, and most certainly has nothing to do 
with the boost_python issue.

Guenter
> 
> None of my materials work, either, seems to be related.  When I run
> the materials_test I get that output for each skinned object...
> 
> Anyone know of this?
> 
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:39 PM, "Tony Risinger" <To...@br...> wrote:
> 
>> I just successfully ran visual by compiling boost from svn, and using
>> 5.13
>>
>> I will try more tests to confirm, and also try with 5.11 to make sure
>> it had nothing to do with visual
>>
>> Also, boost 1.40.0rc1 did not work, I used trunk which identifies
>> itself as 1.41.0
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:50 PM, "Bruce Sherwood"
>> <Bru...@nc...> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks much for tracking this and reporting progress (or lack
>>> thereof)!
>>>
>>> Bruce Sherwood
>>>
>>> Guy K. Kloss wrote:
>>>> Apparently that was a good move to file that bug. Other people have
>>>> become
>>>> aware of it and are looking into it, now. Also people on the Python
>>>> project
>>>> itself, as the fix that modified the __doc__ behaviour might have
>>>> some
>>>> previously unexpected side effects as this one we're talking about.
>>>> Anyway,
>>>> here is their job ticket:
>>>>
>>>> http://bugs.python.org/issue7183
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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