viskprog-discussion

Re: Website (was: Re: [VK]Error in fmod)

[<tp...@ya...>]

Hi guys,

> > changes to www.viskprog.de / .org (not uploaded
> > yet):
> > -new meta tags
> > -some changes to the appearance, (a bit more
> > "serious" IMO) ;P
> >  (these backgrounds somehow annoyed me)
> > -some small JavaScript-features like hover-links
> Well fine, try it out. But please make sure that you
> save copies of the original files; topi and me have
> made a lot of "quick hacks" and I'm nearly sure that
> there is no offline-copy which is up to date ;-)

I like this style (at least I wouldn't had made the
background if I wouden't think it's pretty nice.)
So I'm interested if you guys also think that the
Homepage needs a "more serious" style.
 

By the way: Do you guys think that we need something
like news section on the Homepage. Maybe we should
also put a mailing list archives in the style of the
Homepage on it or at least a direct link to the archif
at Soureforge. What you all think about this?

Any other things you guys think that they are needed
on the Homepage?

topi

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Re: Website (was: Re: [VK]Error in fmod)

[<tp...@ya...>]

Hi guys,

> > > btw: what do you think about CSS Style Sheets?
> ...
> > Oops, I really don't know much about CSS, neither
> > about
> > the technical deatils nor about browser support.
> > Details anyone?
> Only the newest versions of IE, NS, Opera support
> CSS and even then,
> they do this different. Yes, CSS (1 or better 2),
> will make it much more easy to
> change the style, but I worry one thing:

I also think that we should wait with more Java. In
the last time I've worked on pretty much different PC.
It realy piss me off that I've got with same browsern
on nearly every 3rd page any "Java-Error-Message"! On
of thos exampels is Soureforge. I had sametimes realy
probelms using this page!

> KFM doesn't support it. Okay, Konqueror will, but
> it's still not released
> (still 1 week to wait) and it will take some time,
> until all of us and the rest
> of the world (hopefully) will switch to KDE2.

Not everyone change the distribution so fast. In very
last time (since I'm in the USA) I've met pretty much
people who still use Redhat 6.0 or 5.x. Some end users
don't get _any_ basis programs (Like KDE) form the
Internet. At least Linux is also quit expensive
(RedHat is as expensive as "Virus ME") and some end
users don't like to install or update their OS so
often!

> It's not the thing, that KFM is _the_ standard, but
> it would be some kind of
> strange, if we make sites for a KDE-prog, which are
> not readable with the KFM
> :-)

I agree. I think the Homepage should work with Mozilla
3.x, KFM, Conqueror and IE 4.x without big problems. I
wouldn't use any stuff that makes problems with one of
those programs. I also think that the page should
worke with Lynx. 
What do you guys think?

> I would suggest to wait with CSS until this is realy
> wide spread (may take years).

IMO it would be the best! 

topi

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[VK]Re: Website

[Chris CP <cp...@vi...>]

Website: I also like the backgrounds, especially as they're really unique and
therefore you'll always recognize VisKProg's website at the first look. On the
other hand I think that it could be nice to have a cleaner (or "more 
serious") layout (frames, links etc). When working on other PC's I (nearly 
always) realize that the current layout is simply too large. It's just a lie 
that nobody uses 800x600 anymore, in fact most (Linux) end users still do so!
And why not trying out something new, from time to time, ey?

On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, topi wrote:

> Not everyone change the distribution so fast. In very
> last time (since I'm in the USA) I've met pretty much
> people who still use Redhat 6.0 or 5.x. Some end users
> don't get _any_ basis programs (Like KDE) form the
> Internet. At least Linux is also quit expensive
> (RedHat is as expensive as "Virus ME") and some end
> users don't like to install or update their OS so
> often!
OK, but the US are not the whole world, and - especially - RH is not
the only Linux dirstribution. I'd really like to ask you how many guys you 
know, that use RH and KDE as their primary desktop. Guess there aren't so 
much among the end users ;-)

> I agree. I think the Homepage should work with Mozilla
> 3.x, KFM, Conqueror and IE 4.x without big problems. I
> wouldn't use any stuff that makes problems with one of
> those programs. I also think that the page should
> worke with Lynx.
> What do you guys think?
Something else? Should it work then with your TV at home also? I'm not one of 
the guys who advocate high-tech sites that only look when viewed in 
Konqueror, the most sophisticated browser ever (TM), but supporting a 
Lynx-compatible layout... don't know, this is a site of a GRAPHICAL 
programming language, man. Remove all meaningfull graphics, remove large 
frames, remove java - simply remove everything but the pure text, then it's
the perfect Lynx site ;-)

Kind regards,

Chris

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Re: [VK]Re: Website

[Philipp Mül. <phi...@gm...>]

> > I agree. I think the Homepage should work with Mozilla
> > 3.x, KFM, Conqueror and IE 4.x without big problems. I
> > wouldn't use any stuff that makes problems with one of
> > those programs. I also think that the page should
> > worke with Lynx.
> > What do you guys think?
> Something else? Should it work then with your TV at home also? I'm not one of 
> the guys who advocate high-tech sites that only look when viewed in 
> Konqueror, the most sophisticated browser ever (TM), but supporting a 
> Lynx-compatible layout... don't know, this is a site of a GRAPHICAL 
> programming language, man. Remove all meaningfull graphics, remove large 
> frames, remove java - simply remove everything but the pure text, then it's
> the perfect Lynx site ;-)

Ähm, IMO Lynx is really to basic, it doesn't even support frames and I like the
style with frames.
It's not the thing that I want to "through" Lynx users out, but Lynx would
restrict us to much. Okay, make a "friendly" frameless site, that tells the
user some interesting things about VisKProg and then tell him, if he wants to
read more about VisKProg he should visit the site with an browser that supports
frames.

We need screenshots, we need grafics to display some structures (I will prepare
them shortly for the documentation) and so on. AFAIK, there isn't any text
browser available, that can display grafics.

If we say, KFM is the lowest end, then we are allready restricted not to use
JavaScript, Java, ActiveVirus, etc.

>this is a site of a GRAPHICAL programming language
That's it. I don't know any "visual" browser that cannot display frames, unless
you go into the "dark ages" of the internet..

There is another questions open: Support GIF or PNG ?
I would like to use png, but this will restrict the users to some browsers. So
should we follow the "Burn all GIFs" idea?

Greetings,

Philipp

Re: Website (was: Re: [VK]Error in fmod)

[Philipp <phi...@gm...>]

Hi Topi

> I like this style (at least I wouldn't had made the
> background if I wouden't think it's pretty nice.)
> So I'm interested if you guys also think that the
> Homepage needs a "more serious" style.

The only thing, that should be changed, should be a smaller upper and
lower frame. At the moment they are wasting space a bit (move the logo to the
left or right end, move "Links" into the same line-> 2 lines "spared" and
usable for the information part).

> By the way: Do you guys think that we need something
> like news section on the Homepage. 

Yes, the first thing I do, when I come the first time to the homepage of a
project is looking for a news section. Not to get informed about what is
new, just to see, that the project members are still busy improving their
project. IMO it should also contain "unimportant" news, just to show, yes we are
active (by the date of the news).

> Maybe we should
> also put a mailing list archives in the style of the
> Homepage on it or at least a direct link to the archif
> at Soureforge. What you all think about this?

Yes, please.

 
> Any other things you guys think that they are needed
> on the Homepage?

- A changelog
- A ongoing work (with detailed list of whats's already in CVS) 
- Maybe: A wishlist

Maybe, all of my suggestions costs a lot of work and update cycles, but
this is what I want to know from the homepage of a project.

Regards,

Philipp

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