vim-latex-devel

[Vim-latex-devel] can you modify these?

[xitong c. <xit...@li...>]

Hello dear maintainers. I was very happy with vim-latex in the past years. However I have two modifications 
which I would like you can take into consideration. For example if I press F5 when I was in insert mode I can choose equation*, and the output is

\begin{equation*}
   cursor here
\end{equation*}<++>

What I wish you could reconsider is the position of <++>. Many latex users, if my guess is correct, prefer typing latex file like

we have the follow equation
\begin{equation*}

   my equation

\end{equation*}
then by this equation we know...

So I really wish you could put <++> as 

\begin{equation*}

   cursor here

\end{equation*}
<++>


Ok the next modification is about 

$cursor here$my equation$$

Since sometimes I just like to use $$ $$ for convenience. And of course you know vim-latex cannot recognize $$$$ well. It means if I press four $ continuously I got

$$<++>$<++>$<++>

and instead what I really want is

$$ cursor here $$

So could you please add an auto-recognition for latex-suite that if I press two $ then of course as normal it gives out $cursor here$<++> and if I press an extra $ consequently then it 
recognize I want to have a $$ $$<++>

Thank you.

Xitong


 		 	   		  
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Re: [Vim-latex-devel] can you modify these?

[peng s. <sha...@gm...>]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:58 AM, xitong chen <xit...@li...> wrote:

>
> Hello dear maintainers. I was very happy with vim-latex in the past years.
> However I have two modifications
> which I would like you can take into consideration. For example if I press
> F5 when I was in insert mode I can choose equation*, and the output is
>
> \begin{equation*}
>    cursor here
> \end{equation*}<++>
>
> What I wish you could reconsider is the position of <++>. Many latex users,
> if my guess is correct, prefer typing latex file like
>
> we have the follow equation
> \begin{equation*}
>    my equation
> \end{equation*}
> then by this equation we know...
>
> So I really wish you could put <++> as
>
> \begin{equation*}
>    cursor here
> \end{equation*}
> <++>
>
>
> Ok the next modification is about
>
> $cursor here$my equation$$
>
> Since sometimes I just like to use $$ $$ for convenience. And of course you
> know vim-latex cannot recognize $$$$ well. It means if I press four $
> continuously I got
>
> $$<++>$<++>$<++>
>
> and instead what I really want is
>
> $$ cursor here $$
>
> So could you please add an auto-recognition for latex-suite that if I press
> two $ then of course as normal it gives out $cursor here$<++> and if I press
> an extra $ consequently then it
> recognize I want to have a $$ $$<++>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Xitong
>
>
>
OK I wish the maintainers can add these two functions as well ... Many
thanks.

Peng

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] can you modify these?

[Javier R. <jer...@de...>]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:58:21AM -0400, xitong chen wrote:
> So I really wish you could put <++> as 
> 
> \begin{equation*}
> 
>    cursor here
> 
> \end{equation*}
> <++>

have a look at the vim-latex help (:help Tex_Env_name), you can
customize how you want to do the completion of any environment

-- 
Javier Rojas

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Re: [Vim-latex-devel] can you modify these?

[Till M. <ope...@ti...>]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:58:21AM -0400, xitong chen wrote:

> Hello dear maintainers. I was very happy with vim-latex in the past years. However I have two modifications 
> which I would like you can take into consideration. For example if I press F5 when I was in insert mode I can choose equation*, and the output is
> 
> \begin{equation*}
>    cursor here
> \end{equation*}<++>
> 
> What I wish you could reconsider is the position of <++>. Many latex users, if my guess is correct, prefer typing latex file like
> 
> we have the follow equation
> \begin{equation*}
> 
>    my equation
> 
> \end{equation*}
> then by this equation we know...
> 
> So I really wish you could put <++> as 
> 
> \begin{equation*}
> 
>    cursor here
> 
> \end{equation*}
> <++>

It seems to me, that this behaviour can only be changed easily for all
environments and not especially for equation*. I am currently not sure,
if this makes sense for every environment. Are there more opinions on
this?

> Ok the next modification is about 
> 
> $cursor here$my equation$$
> 
> Since sometimes I just like to use $$ $$ for convenience. And of course you know vim-latex cannot recognize $$$$ well. It means if I press four $ continuously I got
> 
> $$<++>$<++>$<++>
> 
> and instead what I really want is
> 
> $$ cursor here $$
> 
> So could you please add an auto-recognition for latex-suite that if I press two $ then of course as normal it gives out $cursor here$<++> and if I press an extra $ consequently then it 
> recognize I want to have a $$ $$<++>

I believe this would require a major change, too, because the $$ mapping
will always be evaluated before you can type the third dollar sign.

Regards
Till

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] can you modify these?

[Ted P. <te...@te...>]

> It seems to me, that this behaviour can only be changed easily for all
> environments and not especially for equation*. I am currently not sure,
> if this makes sense for every environment. Are there more opinions on
> this?

There are lots of environments (e.g., ones that live inside math
environments, like aligned and bmatrix) that are probably best left
alone.

>> Since sometimes I just like to use $$ $$ for convenience...

I think this usage is deprecated. I believe that some of the
improvements made by mathtools (and even amsmath) have difficulty
being implemented with the old style displaymode delimiters.
Especially because Vim has macros that make the environments as easy
to use as the short forms, I don't think much effort should go into
making vim-latex support $$...$$.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <te...@te...>

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] can you modify these?

[Daniele A. <d.a...@gm...>]

The two options
\begin{equation*}
    cursor here
 \end{equation*}<++>

and

\begin{equation*}
    cursor here
 \end{equation*}
<++>

are only one button away from each other, and I don't see why is hard to
stick to option 1, press Ctrl-J to the placeholder, and then Enter to go to
new line.

I am also skeptical about the use of $$ ... $$. This is not a Vim-LaTeX
problem, but a LaTeX one. The use of $$ has been replaced long time ago by
\[ ... \]. Using double dollars is obsolete, and it would be better to
change this habit rather than Vim-LaTeX.

Best.

Daniele



On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Till Maas <ope...@ti...> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 05:58:21AM -0400, xitong chen wrote:
>
> > Hello dear maintainers. I was very happy with vim-latex in the past
> years. However I have two modifications
> > which I would like you can take into consideration. For example if I
> press F5 when I was in insert mode I can choose equation*, and the output is
> >
> > \begin{equation*}
> >    cursor here
> > \end{equation*}<++>
> >
> > What I wish you could reconsider is the position of <++>. Many latex
> users, if my guess is correct, prefer typing latex file like
> >
> > we have the follow equation
> > \begin{equation*}
> >
> >    my equation
> >
> > \end{equation*}
> > then by this equation we know...
> >
> > So I really wish you could put <++> as
> >
> > \begin{equation*}
> >
> >    cursor here
> >
> > \end{equation*}
> > <++>
>
> It seems to me, that this behaviour can only be changed easily for all
> environments and not especially for equation*. I am currently not sure,
> if this makes sense for every environment. Are there more opinions on
> this?
>
> > Ok the next modification is about
> >
> > $cursor here$my equation$$
> >
> > Since sometimes I just like to use $$ $$ for convenience. And of course
> you know vim-latex cannot recognize $$$$ well. It means if I press four $
> continuously I got
> >
> > $$<++>$<++>$<++>
> >
> > and instead what I really want is
> >
> > $$ cursor here $$
> >
> > So could you please add an auto-recognition for latex-suite that if I
> press two $ then of course as normal it gives out $cursor here$<++> and if I
> press an extra $ consequently then it
> > recognize I want to have a $$ $$<++>
>
> I believe this would require a major change, too, because the $$ mapping
> will always be evaluated before you can type the third dollar sign.
>
> Regards
> Till
>
>
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Re: [Vim-latex-devel] can you modify these?

[Ted P. <te...@te...>]

> I am also skeptical about the use of $$ ... $$. This is not a Vim-LaTeX
> problem, but a LaTeX one. The use of $$ has been replaced long time ago by
> \[ ... \]. Using double dollars is obsolete, and it would be better to
> change this habit rather than Vim-LaTeX.

And, as described in my last contribution to this thread, even \[...\]
is going the way of deprecation. Shortcuts should be implemented
within each editor (e.g., with vim-latex "EEQ" and such). There's no
need to use short-form displaymode environments (they're deceiving
anyway). To add to that, the improvements made by mathtools (and even
amsmath) have trouble trickling down through $$...$$ and \[...\] (if I
recall from the docs correctly).

-- 
Ted Pavlic <te...@te...>