vim-latex-devel

[Vim-latex-devel] Does vim-latex show a general problem of OS?

[Heiko <hei...@vo...>]

Dear list,

vim and LaTeX are genius inventions not only because of their great 
functionality, but also because of their splendid documentation. It is like a 
great forest where it is *not* possible to hide any non-documented eggs. 
What about the latex-vim suite?  :-|  

It is said that the suite runs with vim6+. Obviously it is meant vim6.x, not 
version 7.x. I did *exactly* what is said in the installation instructions on 
different machines -- with vim7.0. Exactly with no exception. Nothing 
happens. 

I  know and I appreciate it very much that the suite is work done by free 
will. Indeed! And that the members of this list help by their free will. That 
is great, but it does not solve IMHO the general problem. It is clear that a 
software has its development stage. But if something is called stable, it 
*must* have a good installation instruction (more important than a user 
manual). Otherwise it IS in development. 

Especially in this case if the software  is aimed to *help* users. Which 
users? Those who are lucky to have requirement no. 6.1.1-2 (and not 6.1.1-2.1 
where the usage *sometimes* fails)? Sureley not those who celebrate Easter 
again, searching for the non documented eggs hidden *between* the lines of 
the instructions, meaning perhaps that 7.0 is not 6.+ but obviously 6.++. 
And -- if you really think, think right -- we *did* say 6.+ ONLY, nothing 
more     ;-). 

And: *See those lucky people. Can't you imagine, that you DID a mistake? They 
can run it, so everyone *could* run it, if one only uses its brain -- Yes, 
you have to think, but think right.  Find out WHAT is meant, not what is NOT 
meant or what we mean that it should be clear that it IS not meant.*  And if 
you do not succeed read the FAQ (Feigned Annoying Questions -- which have 
never been asked) ;-)

Please apologize for coming a bit too steep out of the hedge. But OpenSource 
is by a too great amount of people still  regarded as *software for 
specialists* -- and that shows IMHO that there is something wrong; but not 
about OpenSource! Nobody cares about the free willing work done by the user 
(and it *is* sureley not important). Software *cannot* be free of bugs. That 
is clear.But a suite which sometimes works and sometimes with not hints what 
could be wrong is use-less (in the exact meaning). 

Best regards
Heiko Schroeder
  
-- 
Heiko Schroeder
Praha, Ceska Republica
http://home.foni.net/~heikos
http://www.od.shuttle.de/evb-1

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Does vim-latex show a general problem of OS?

[Christian E. <bla...@gm...>]

* Heiko Schröder on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 at 21:03:01 +0200:
> It is said that the suite runs with vim6+. Obviously it is meant vim6.x, not 
> version 7.x. I did *exactly* what is said in the installation instructions on 
> different machines -- with vim7.0. Exactly with no exception. Nothing 
> happens. 

Hm, I, as simple user, can't contribute here, as latex-suite just
works for me with Vim7+ -- as it did before the transition.

I understand your frustration, but I didn't read about anyone
attacking you for being stupid on this list. Nor did I see asking
a question before, for that matter.

The only way I found with OS in this situation is to dig out more
debugging data, and hope/pray that someone finds the mistake ;)

Otherwise you're always free to use eg. Emacs and Auctex ;)

c
-- 
Vim plugin to paste current GNU Screen buffer in (almost) any mode:
<http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1512>

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Does vim-latex show a general problem of OS?

[Simon P. <pre...@gm...>]

Rather than ruminate on the woes of open source software, it would be much
more sensible to describe to the list the details of your problems - e.g.
your operating system, what error messages you get, etc.

Then hopefully somebody will be able to help.


On 3/27/07, Heiko Schr=F6der <hei...@vo...> wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> vim and LaTeX are genius inventions not only because of their great
> functionality, but also because of their splendid documentation. It is
> like a
> great forest where it is *not* possible to hide any non-documented eggs.
> What about the latex-vim suite?  :-|
>
> It is said that the suite runs with vim6+. Obviously it is meant vim6.x,
> not
> version 7.x. I did *exactly* what is said in the installation instruction=
s
> on
> different machines -- with vim7.0. Exactly with no exception. Nothing
> happens.
>
> I  know and I appreciate it very much that the suite is work done by free
> will. Indeed! And that the members of this list help by their free will.
> That
> is great, but it does not solve IMHO the general problem. It is clear tha=
t
> a
> software has its development stage. But if something is called stable, it
> *must* have a good installation instruction (more important than a user
> manual). Otherwise it IS in development.
>
> Especially in this case if the software  is aimed to *help* users. Which
> users? Those who are lucky to have requirement no. 6.1.1-2 (and not
> 6.1.1-2.1
> where the usage *sometimes* fails)? Sureley not those who celebrate Easte=
r
> again, searching for the non documented eggs hidden *between* the lines o=
f
> the instructions, meaning perhaps that 7.0 is not 6.+ but obviously 6.++.
> And -- if you really think, think right -- we *did* say 6.+ ONLY, nothing
> more     ;-).
>
> And: *See those lucky people. Can't you imagine, that you DID a mistake?
> They
> can run it, so everyone *could* run it, if one only uses its brain -- Yes=
,
> you have to think, but think right.  Find out WHAT is meant, not what is
> NOT
> meant or what we mean that it should be clear that it IS not meant.*  And
> if
> you do not succeed read the FAQ (Feigned Annoying Questions -- which have
> never been asked) ;-)
>
> Please apologize for coming a bit too steep out of the hedge. But
> OpenSource
> is by a too great amount of people still  regarded as *software for
> specialists* -- and that shows IMHO that there is something wrong; but no=
t
> about OpenSource! Nobody cares about the free willing work done by the
> user
> (and it *is* sureley not important). Software *cannot* be free of bugs.
> That
> is clear.But a suite which sometimes works and sometimes with not hints
> what
> could be wrong is use-less (in the exact meaning).
>
> Best regards
> Heiko Schroeder
>
> --
> Heiko Schroeder
> Praha, Ceska Republica
> http://home.foni.net/~heikos
> http://www.od.shuttle.de/evb-1
>
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