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[Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Alexander S. <ale...@sc...>]

First of all, thank you very much for the vim-latex package.

unfortunately I have a small, but awkward problem. When you press the " 
key, vi replaces it with `` at the beginning or '' at the end of the 
quotation.

this is nice, when you do edit english texts, unfortunately, this is no 
such good idea, when I edit german texts. because in german it should 
start with "`.

even worse, I do not see a possibility to get the " to do it manually, 
because it is always immediately replaced by ``.


could you give me a hint how to solve this problem?


thank you!

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mfg / with best regards

Alexander Schatten

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Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

Alexander Schatten wrote:
> First of all, thank you very much for the vim-latex package.
> 
> unfortunately I have a small, but awkward problem. When you press the " 
> key, vi replaces it with `` at the beginning or '' at the end of the 
> quotation.
> 
> this is nice, when you do edit english texts, unfortunately, this is no 
> such good idea, when I edit german texts. because in german it should 
> start with "`.
> 
> even worse, I do not see a possibility to get the " to do it manually, 
> because it is always immediately replaced by ``.
> 
> 
> could you give me a hint how to solve this problem?

      This is a documentation problem.  Have a look at the file

ftplugin/latex-suite/texrc .

First, see the installation instructions in the comments at the top. 
Then, search for /Quote/ and you will get to the lines

===
" Pressing " (english double quote) will insert `` or '' by making an
" intelligent guess about whether we intended to open or close a quote.
TexLet g:Tex_SmartKeyQuote = 1

" Users of other languages might want to change the quote characters to suit
" their locale.
TexLet g:Tex_SmartQuoteOpen = "``"
TexLet g:Tex_SmartQuoteClose = "''"
===

Just change the last two lines.  These changes will not take effect 
until you restart vim.  You can change the variables on the fly:

:let Tex_SmartQuoteOpen = '"`'

should work (untested).  (I hope the closing character is something like 
'", which you would have to enter as "'\"", and not "', because I think 
the system will be buggy if the open and close quotes start with the 
same character.  In this case, you can turn it off completely with

:let Tex_SmartKeyQuote = 0

You may have to do this in the texrc file; I am not sure if it will work 
on the fly.)

HTH					--Benji Fisher

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

Alexander Schatten wrote:
> Benji Fisher wrote:
> 
>> Alexander Schatten wrote:
>>
>>
>> :let Tex_SmartKeyQuote = 0
>>
>> You may have to do this in the texrc file; I am not sure if it will 
>> work on the fly.)
>>
>> HTH                    --Benji Fisher
>>
> thank you very much for this fast and concise answer. in fact it solved 
> the problem immediately. the problem is, that I have to write english as 
> well as german texts, so it seems to be a little uncomfortable, but 
> however, I switched this feature out at all.

      If you have to write English and German in the same file, this 
seems like the only reasonable solution.  If each file is either English 
or German, it might be worth having the TexQuote() function figure out 
which language is being used.  If anyone is interested in helping with 
this, the main thing I do not know is how to guess what language is in use.

					--Benji Fisher

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

Alexander Schatten wrote:
> Benji Fisher wrote:
> 
>>
>>      If you have to write English and German in the same file, this 
>> seems like the only reasonable solution.  If each file is either 
>> English or German, it might be worth having the TexQuote() function 
> 
> well, yes. this is usually the case-
> unfortunately I do not really understand what you meant by the 
> TeXQuote() function...

      That is the function that gets invoked when you type " .  But you 
do not have to worry about that:  the rest of us can handle the 
implementation.  What I need to know is how to tell whether to use 
English or German quotes.  Is there a \documentclass option or a 
\usepackage line that you use to tell TeX that you are writing in 
German?  I think there must be something like this, because TeX uses 
different hyphenation patterns for different languages.

					--Benji Fisher

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Mikolaj M. <mi...@wp...>]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:41:50AM -0500, Benji Fisher wrote:
>      That is the function that gets invoked when you type " .  But you 
> do not have to worry about that:  the rest of us can handle the 
> implementation.  What I need to know is how to tell whether to use 
> English or German quotes.  Is there a \documentclass option or a 
> \usepackage line that you use to tell TeX that you are writing in 
> German?  I think there must be something like this, because TeX uses 
> different hyphenation patterns for different languages.

Oops. I did not understand (post about v:lang).
For Polish it will be package polski and:
opening quotes: ,,
closing quotes: ''

Names of detected packages are stored in g:Tex_package_detected. But
this variable is created by packages.vim which is sourced at the end of
main.vim.

Mikolaj

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:41:50AM -0500, Benji Fisher wrote:
> 
>>     That is the function that gets invoked when you type " .  But you 
>>do not have to worry about that:  the rest of us can handle the 
>>implementation.  What I need to know is how to tell whether to use 
>>English or German quotes.  Is there a \documentclass option or a 
>>\usepackage line that you use to tell TeX that you are writing in 
>>German?  I think there must be something like this, because TeX uses 
>>different hyphenation patterns for different languages.
> 
> 
> Oops. I did not understand (post about v:lang).
> For Polish it will be package polski and:
> opening quotes: ,,
> closing quotes: ''
> 
> Names of detected packages are stored in g:Tex_package_detected. But
> this variable is created by packages.vim which is sourced at the end of
> main.vim.
> 
> Mikolaj

      That is good:  it is quite possible that a user will edit two 
files, one in Polish and the other in German, during the same session. 
When the user types ", it triggers the s:TexQuotes() function.  This 
function can extract
	matchstr(g:Tex_package_detected, 'german\|polski\|french')
and then use g:Tex_SmartQuoteOpen_{lang} if it exists, and otherwise use 
the current default.

      I'll try to implement this tomorrow.

					--Benji

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Mikolaj M. <mi...@wp...>]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:35:53AM -0500, Benji Fisher wrote:
> which language is being used.  If anyone is interested in helping with 
> this, the main thing I do not know is how to guess what language is in use.

Checking for "v:lang" and/or "v:ctype" value?

Mikolaj

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:35:53AM -0500, Benji Fisher wrote:
> 
>>which language is being used.  If anyone is interested in helping with 
>>this, the main thing I do not know is how to guess what language is in use.
> 
> 
> Checking for "v:lang" and/or "v:ctype" value?
> 
> Mikolaj

      I do not think this helps someone who writes in two different 
languages.

Alexander Schatten wrote:
[snip]
 > when I write german texts, I use the
 > german package:
 >
 > \usepackage{german}
 >
 > I think it has to do with german Umlauts, as well as hyphenation and
 > that stuff...
 > however: I guess, every german document should have this package loaded.
 >
 > btw: the german quotations are like this. "`a text"'

      That sounds more like it.  Do the package scripts already extract 
this information?

					--Benji

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Vim-LaTeX problem with "

[Mikolaj M. <mi...@wp...>]

On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 02:11:37PM -0500, Benji Fisher wrote:
> > I think it has to do with german Umlauts, as well as hyphenation and
> > that stuff...
> > however: I guess, every german document should have this package loaded.
> >
> > btw: the german quotations are like this. "`a text"'
>      That sounds more like it.  Do the package scripts already extract 
> this information?

yes. IMO data for creating mappings (opening quote, closing quote)
should go to the package file. Function can be everywhere (most suitable
is main.vim).

m.