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[Vectorlinux-devel] Some Feedback about SOHO

[John B <joh...@gm...>]

Guys,

I received a PM from Bustere, who has recently joined the forums. I
thought I would share it with you, since some good points are made in
it.

Best,
John

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
You work really hard on the forums!!!! Wrote to you instead of
posting. Maybe you can make use of my experiences. No need to reply if
you're busy.

What I really like about SOHO:
1. Great LiveCD
2. Multimedia package saves lots of time
3. Seems quick, even in KDE
4. Friendly forums
5. Has a Canadian source (Guess where I live)
6. Attractive defaults
7. Gslapt works easily and quickly
8. Many things set up automatically with the install
9. You can put lilo on a floppy
10. You can boot into root

What I accept as OK
1. An installer that seems "old fashioned"
2. Installing with a separate disc from the LiveCD (This will probably chan=
ge)
3. Lilo is used instead of my preferred GRUB

What I found annoying
1. There was no indication that the firewall would negate the
automatic finding of shares
2 Streaming of mpg and avi files from a different computer seems
awkward to set up, and I haven't succeeded yet
3 The reference to scsi drives during the install, even though the 2.6
kernel doesn't need this, could be handled better
4. 3d acceleration, which has been pretty well automatic for a few
years with my ati rage128 pro card, is proving elusive
5. When I su to root I can't get kate or kwrite to open from the terminal

If I think of more things I'd be happy to write if it helps. Vector
seems like a great idea, and I feel a certain amount of discomfort
when I see it dropping to 21st position on Distrowatch (Not
conclusive, but an indicator of some loss of interest.) Appreciate
your help, and I'll keep working on my SOHO, but PCLinuxOS and Mepis
are tough competition, except Vector is FAST! And maybe that's it
niche.

Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] Some Feedback about SOHO

[Sriram D. <sri...@gm...>]

great and concise feed back.  point 5 in his annoyances list has a solution
in the forums. a lot of us suffered with this initially.  it has to do with
the kdesu stuff.. i will dig out the corresponding post and update again. o=
r
pm the person on the forum.
cheers
ram

On 4/20/06, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I received a PM from Bustere, who has recently joined the forums. I
> thought I would share it with you, since some good points are made in
> it.
>
> Best,
> John
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> You work really hard on the forums!!!! Wrote to you instead of
> posting. Maybe you can make use of my experiences. No need to reply if
> you're busy.
>
> What I really like about SOHO:
> 1. Great LiveCD
> 2. Multimedia package saves lots of time
> 3. Seems quick, even in KDE
> 4. Friendly forums
> 5. Has a Canadian source (Guess where I live)
> 6. Attractive defaults
> 7. Gslapt works easily and quickly
> 8. Many things set up automatically with the install
> 9. You can put lilo on a floppy
> 10. You can boot into root
>
> What I accept as OK
> 1. An installer that seems "old fashioned"
> 2. Installing with a separate disc from the LiveCD (This will probably
> change)
> 3. Lilo is used instead of my preferred GRUB
>
> What I found annoying
> 1. There was no indication that the firewall would negate the
> automatic finding of shares
> 2 Streaming of mpg and avi files from a different computer seems
> awkward to set up, and I haven't succeeded yet
> 3 The reference to scsi drives during the install, even though the 2.6
> kernel doesn't need this, could be handled better
> 4. 3d acceleration, which has been pretty well automatic for a few
> years with my ati rage128 pro card, is proving elusive
> 5. When I su to root I can't get kate or kwrite to open from the terminal
>
> If I think of more things I'd be happy to write if it helps. Vector
> seems like a great idea, and I feel a certain amount of discomfort
> when I see it dropping to 21st position on Distrowatch (Not
> conclusive, but an indicator of some loss of interest.) Appreciate
> your help, and I'll keep working on my SOHO, but PCLinuxOS and Mepis
> are tough competition, except Vector is FAST! And maybe that's it
> niche.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> easier
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Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] Some Feedback about SOHO

[John B <joh...@gm...>]

What we may be able to do regarding #5 in Bustere's annoyances is to
add a change to the .bashrc file in /etc/skel that was proposed by
Vanger in the forums:

/usr/X11R6/bin/xhost local:root

I've had this change in the .bashrc file in my home directory, and I
don't run into an issue with opening GUI apps after su'ing to root.

Assuming that Vec is comfortable with making this tweak, we just have
to make sure that the change does not propagate to the .bashrc file
for root. What say y'all?

Best,
John

On 4/21/06, Sriram Durbha <sri...@gm...> wrote:
> great and concise feed back.  point 5 in his annoyances list has a soluti=
on
> in the forums. a lot of us suffered with this initially.  it has to do wi=
th
> the kdesu stuff.. i will dig out the corresponding post and update again.=
 or
> pm the person on the forum.
> cheers
> ram
>
>
> On 4/20/06, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote:
> >
>  Guys,
>
> I received a PM from Bustere, who has recently joined the forums. I
> thought I would share it with you, since some good points are made in
> it.
>
> Best,
> John
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> You work really hard on the forums!!!! Wrote to you instead of
> posting. Maybe you can make use of my experiences. No need to reply if
> you're busy.
>
> What I really like about SOHO:
> 1. Great LiveCD
> 2. Multimedia package saves lots of time
> 3. Seems quick, even in KDE
> 4. Friendly forums
> 5. Has a Canadian source (Guess where I live)
> 6. Attractive defaults
> 7. Gslapt works easily and quickly
> 8. Many things set up automatically with the install
> 9. You can put lilo on a floppy
> 10. You can boot into root
>
> What I accept as OK
> 1. An installer that seems "old fashioned"
> 2. Installing with a separate disc from the LiveCD (This will probably
> change)
> 3. Lilo is used instead of my preferred GRUB
>
> What I found annoying
> 1. There was no indication that the firewall would negate the
> automatic finding of shares
> 2 Streaming of mpg and avi files from a different computer seems
> awkward to set up, and I haven't succeeded yet
> 3 The reference to scsi drives during the install, even though the 2.6
> kernel doesn't need this, could be handled better
> 4. 3d acceleration, which has been pretty well automatic for a few
> years with my ati rage128 pro card, is proving elusive
> 5. When I su to root I can't get kate or kwrite to open from the terminal
>
> If I think of more things I'd be happy to write if it helps. Vector
> seems like a great idea, and I feel a certain amount of discomfort
> when I see it dropping to 21st position on Distrowatch (Not
> conclusive, but an indicator of some loss of interest.) Appreciate
> your help, and I'll keep working on my SOHO, but PCLinuxOS and Mepis
> are tough competition, except Vector is FAST! And maybe that's it
> niche.
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim=
o
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642
> _______________________________________________
> Vectorlinux-devel mailing list
> Vec...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel
>
>

Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] Some Feedback about SOHO

[uel a. <ue...@gm...>]

I think its a good Idea, But I have that in my .bashrc and it doesnt help m=
e
:(
I even get this in a new terminal
non-network local connections being added to access control list
[uel@vector~]$ su -
Password:
[root@vector~]# firefox

(firefox-bin:18773): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[root@vector~]# exit
logout

firefox works if i just use "su" but kate and kwrite don't. weird
I know I dont get roots path without the - but I thouht I had the users?


[uel@vector~]$ su
Password:
[root@vector/home/uel]# firefox
[root@vector/home/uel]# kate
bash: kate: command not found
[root@vector/home/uel]# kwrite
bash: kwrite: command not found
[root@vector/home/uel]#




On 4/21/06, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote:
>
> What we may be able to do regarding #5 in Bustere's annoyances is to
> add a change to the .bashrc file in /etc/skel that was proposed by
> Vanger in the forums:
>
> /usr/X11R6/bin/xhost local:root
>
> I've had this change in the .bashrc file in my home directory, and I
> don't run into an issue with opening GUI apps after su'ing to root.
>
> Assuming that Vec is comfortable with making this tweak, we just have
> to make sure that the change does not propagate to the .bashrc file
> for root. What say y'all?
>
> Best,
> John
>
> On 4/21/06, Sriram Durbha <sri...@gm...> wrote:
> > great and concise feed back.  point 5 in his annoyances list has a
> solution
> > in the forums. a lot of us suffered with this initially.  it has to do
> with
> > the kdesu stuff.. i will dig out the corresponding post and update
> again. or
> > pm the person on the forum.
> > cheers
> > ram
> >
> >
> > On 4/20/06, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote:
> > >
> >  Guys,
> >
> > I received a PM from Bustere, who has recently joined the forums. I
> > thought I would share it with you, since some good points are made in
> > it.
> >
> > Best,
> > John
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > You work really hard on the forums!!!! Wrote to you instead of
> > posting. Maybe you can make use of my experiences. No need to reply if
> > you're busy.
> >
> > What I really like about SOHO:
> > 1. Great LiveCD
> > 2. Multimedia package saves lots of time
> > 3. Seems quick, even in KDE
> > 4. Friendly forums
> > 5. Has a Canadian source (Guess where I live)
> > 6. Attractive defaults
> > 7. Gslapt works easily and quickly
> > 8. Many things set up automatically with the install
> > 9. You can put lilo on a floppy
> > 10. You can boot into root
> >
> > What I accept as OK
> > 1. An installer that seems "old fashioned"
> > 2. Installing with a separate disc from the LiveCD (This will probably
> > change)
> > 3. Lilo is used instead of my preferred GRUB
> >
> > What I found annoying
> > 1. There was no indication that the firewall would negate the
> > automatic finding of shares
> > 2 Streaming of mpg and avi files from a different computer seems
> > awkward to set up, and I haven't succeeded yet
> > 3 The reference to scsi drives during the install, even though the 2.6
> > kernel doesn't need this, could be handled better
> > 4. 3d acceleration, which has been pretty well automatic for a few
> > years with my ati rage128 pro card, is proving elusive
> > 5. When I su to root I can't get kate or kwrite to open from the
> terminal
> >
> > If I think of more things I'd be happy to write if it helps. Vector
> > seems like a great idea, and I feel a certain amount of discomfort
> > when I see it dropping to 21st position on Distrowatch (Not
> > conclusive, but an indicator of some loss of interest.) Appreciate
> > your help, and I'll keep working on my SOHO, but PCLinuxOS and Mepis
> > are tough competition, except Vector is FAST! And maybe that's it
> > niche.
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services,
> security?
> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> > easier
> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache
> Geronimo
> > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list
> > Vec...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel
> >
> >
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim=
o
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmdlnk&kid=120709&bid&3057&dat=121642
> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] Some Feedback about SOHO

[Jose J. R. <jo...@gm...>]

On 4/21/06, uel archuletta <ue...@gm...> wrote:
> I think its a good Idea, But I have that in my .bashrc and it doesnt help=
 me
> :(
> I even get this in a new terminal
> non-network local connections being added to access control list
> [uel@vector~]$ su -
> Password:
>  [root@vector~]# firefox
>
> (firefox-bin:18773): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
> [root@vector~]# exit
> logout
>
> firefox works if i just use "su" but kate and kwrite don't. weird
> I know I dont get roots path without the - but I thouht I had the users?
>
>
> [uel@vector~]$ su
> Password:
> [root@vector/home/uel]# firefox
> [root@vector/home/uel]# kate
> bash: kate: command not found
> [root@vector/home/uel]# kwrite
> bash: kwrite: command not found
> [root@vector /home/uel]#
>
>
>
>

This fix has worked well for me too, since it was posted. Uel, your
problem with kate, kedit and company is another little "bug". The
environment path is different for root and users. Add /opt/kde/bin to
the root path. Your other problem with "su -" is funny, as it's
probably because this variation of su works like this:

"The optional argument - may be used to provide an environment
similiar to what the user would expect had the user logged in
directly"

so maybe as the fix is not in the root user's environment.......

Regards,
Joe1962

Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] Some Feedback about SOHO

[uel a. <ue...@gm...>]

I guess what I dont understand is
1) who's path gets loaded when I use "su"??
2) how do I add something to that path permenantly?


[uel@vector~]$ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/local/games:/opt/=
java/bin:/opt/java/jre/bin:/opt/kde/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin:.:/usr/X11R6/bin:/op=
t/xfce4/bin
[uel@vector~]$ su -
Password:
[root@vector~]# echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/=
local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/java/bin:/opt/java/jre/bin:/opt/kde/bin:/op=
t/xfce4/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/xfce4/bin
[root@vector~]# exit
logout
[uel@vector~]$ su
Password:
[root@vector/home/uel]# echo $PATH
/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin=
:/opt/xfce4/bin


I thought I better look for the answer myself before I posted this, and
after I found it I thought I would pass it along
just incase anyone else needs it

       The  current  environment is passed to the new shell.  The
       value of $PATH is reset to /bin:/usr/bin for normal users,
       or /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin for the super user.  This
       may be changed with the ENV_PATH  and  ENV_SUPATH  defini=AD
       tions in /etc/login.defs.


Thanks
Uel


On 4/21/06, Jose J. Rodriguez <jo...@gm...> wrote:
>
> On 4/21/06, uel archuletta <ue...@gm...> wrote:
> > I think its a good Idea, But I have that in my .bashrc and it doesnt
> help me
> > :(
> > I even get this in a new terminal
> > non-network local connections being added to access control list
> > [uel@vector~]$ su -
> > Password:
> >  [root@vector~]# firefox
> >
> > (firefox-bin:18773): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
> > [root@vector~]# exit
> > logout
> >
> > firefox works if i just use "su" but kate and kwrite don't. weird
> > I know I dont get roots path without the - but I thouht I had the users=
?
> >
> >
> > [uel@vector~]$ su
> > Password:
> > [root@vector/home/uel]# firefox
> > [root@vector/home/uel]# kate
> > bash: kate: command not found
> > [root@vector/home/uel]# kwrite
> > bash: kwrite: command not found
> > [root@vector /home/uel]#
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> This fix has worked well for me too, since it was posted. Uel, your
> problem with kate, kedit and company is another little "bug". The
> environment path is different for root and users. Add /opt/kde/bin to
> the root path. Your other problem with "su -" is funny, as it's
> probably because this variation of su works like this:
>
> "The optional argument - may be used to provide an environment
> similiar to what the user would expect had the user logged in
> directly"
>
> so maybe as the fix is not in the root user's environment.......
>
> Regards,
> Joe1962
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job
> easier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim=
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>