From: Robert L. <vec...@ya...> - 2009-06-07 03:45:08
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Hi Guys, First of all my sincere thanks to you all for joining in here on a very important part of VectorLinux, the SOHO project. We really haven't utilized this mailing list as much as we should as it gives us all a record of whats going on and who has done what. I think we need to push to get more people to join the list and as a result get more people involved in some area of development. I think JohnB cleared the confusion on the new slackware package format and it looks like we can safely jump to the new package tools without having to rebuild all of the existing tlz packages. Now the biggest hurtle is to come up with a sane package list for SOHO that can fit on a 700 mb CD. I think taking out all of xfce its depends and a lot of fonts is a start then see how much gnome we really need for the remaining gtk apps we use is a start. MOE's new installer is based on a package install so no more bulks which means we will have to examine our vl specific packages and maybe create some new ones to accomodate this change (which i think is good in the long run) Again thanks to all for taking time out of your busy lives to get this task accomplished!!!! Cheers, Vec Robert Lange vec...@ya... http://www.vectorlinux.com --- On Sat, 6/6/09, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote: > From: John B <joh...@gm...> > Subject: Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] SOHO 6.0 help please > To: "Vector Linux developer's list" <vec...@li...> > Received: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:47 PM > All, > > I went to the slackware-64current directory and built tar, > xzutils and > the slackware pkgtools. They are installed on this VL 6.0 > standard gold > box I'm using right now. I've had no problems at all with > using these > items. The xzutils, aloing with tar-1.22, support our > present tlz > packages nicely. > > A couple of differences between what we are using now and > the Slackware > pkgtools stuff in the slackware64-current tree: > 1) His pkgtools-tukaani includes both the packaging scripts > and > tar-1.13. The Slackware pkgtools package includes only the > packaging > scripts. However... > > 2) The pkgtools-tukaani includes a patched version of > tar-1.13, whereas > the Slackware method of building tar involves building both > tar-1.13 and > tar-1.22 and packaging them in the same package. The > tar-1.22 binary > includes a patch to support the txz package standard. > > 3) As mentioned earlier, the xzutils support the tlz > package format we > are presently using. Thus, we don't need to do anything > else to support > our present tlz packages when we switch to the latest and > greatest pkgtools. > > These packages, along with source and buildscripts, are > being uploaded > to my vectorcontrib directory as I type this. They will be > in a > directory called "forsoho60". > > Thus, the changes we need to make are: > > 1) Upgrade the pkgtools-tukaani package with the new > pkgtools package. > 2) Remove the tar package we are presently using and use > the new tar > package. > 3) Deprecate the lzma utilities and use the xzutils > package. > > HTH, > John > > uel archuletta wrote: > > Hello, > > I can put together ISO's. > > I will need more help than before with lists of pkgs > to be included > > and such, and more time in between ISO's. > > > > Also we will have to decide what installer we are > going to use and if > > we are ready to jump to new lzma format or if that > will wait. > > > > Thanks, > > Uel > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Robert Lange <vec...@ya... > > > <mailto:vec...@ya...>> > wrote: > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > To be frank, I need help > putting SOHO 6.0 together. I need testers > > I need package builders and I > need a main administrater to put > > together test iso's as we are > ready. After the successful release > > of 6.0 standard and light > there seems little interest in the SOHO > > version. We do have a > substantial user base that relys on this > > release. So all that can help > please raise your hand. I can't do > > it all myself with any hope of > keeping up the stable VectorLinux > > image. Any comments on the > state of VL development are welome and > > I would enjoy a discussion > here as to how to get more people involved. > > Thank you for your replies! > > > > Cheers, > > Vec > > > > Robert Lange > > vec...@ya... > <mailto:vec...@ya...> > > http://www.vectorlinux.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for the perfect gift? > Give the gift of Flickr! > > > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a > cutting edge operating system for enterprises > > looking to deploy the next > generation of Solaris that includes the > > latest > > innovations from Sun and the > OpenSource community. Download a copy and > > enjoy capabilities such as > Networking, Storage and Virtualization. > > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > > > _______________________________________________ > > Vectorlinux-devel mailing > list > > Vec...@li... > > <mailto:Vec...@li...> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system > for enterprises > > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that > includes the latest > > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. > Download a copy and > > enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and > Virtualization. > > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > > Vec...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for > enterprises > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that > includes the latest > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. 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From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-07 13:16:49
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I still think we should consider recompressing our packages to the new lzma format if it offers better compression advantages. It is good that it supports our current pkg format, this is goog for compatibility w/ our current online repos, but I think the iso still needs to be re-compressed On Jun 6, 2009 10:45 PM, "Robert Lange" <vec...@ya...> wrote: Hi Guys, First of all my sincere thanks to you all for joining in here on a very important part of VectorLinux, the SOHO project. We really haven't utilized this mailing list as much as we should as it gives us all a record of whats going on and who has done what. I think we need to push to get more people to join the list and as a result get more people involved in some area of development. I think JohnB cleared the confusion on the new slackware package format and it looks like we can safely jump to the new package tools without having to rebuild all of the existing tlz packages. Now the biggest hurtle is to come up with a sane package list for SOHO that can fit on a 700 mb CD. I think taking out all of xfce its depends and a lot of fonts is a start then see how much gnome we really need for the remaining gtk apps we use is a start. MOE's new installer is based on a package install so no more bulks which means we will have to examine our vl specific packages and maybe create some new ones to accomodate this change (which i think is good in the long run) Again thanks to all for taking time out of your busy lives to get this task accomplished!!!! Cheers, Vec Robert Lange vec...@ya... http://www.vectorlinux.com --- On Sat, 6/6/09, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote: > From: John B <joh...@gm...> > Subject: Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] SOHO 6.0 help please > To: "Vector Linux developer's list" < vec...@li...> > Received: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:47 PM > All, > > I went to the slackware-64current directory and built tar, > xzutils and > the slackwar... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel |
From: John B <joh...@gm...> - 2009-06-07 14:03:31
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I just saw that Absolute Linux, another Slackware derivative, just released their 12.2.5 version, based off slackware64-current and using all txz packages. According to the Distrowatch announcement, they were able to get a lot more onto a single ISO because of the switch to the txz format. The Distrowatch blurb also mentioned that they've modified pcmanfm and Rox-Filer so that they can handle the txz packages. Maybe it might be worth it for us to "poach" their patches. ;-) John M0E Lnx wrote: > > I still think we should consider recompressing our packages to the new > lzma format if it offers better compression advantages. It is good > that it supports our current pkg format, this is goog for > compatibility w/ our current online repos, but I think the iso still > needs to be re-compressed > >> On Jun 6, 2009 10:45 PM, "Robert Lange" <vec...@ya... >> <mailto:vec...@ya...>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> First of all my sincere thanks to you all for joining in here on a >> very important part of VectorLinux, the SOHO project. We really >> haven't utilized this mailing list as much as we should as it gives >> us all a record of whats going on and who has done what. I think we >> need to push to get more people to join the list and as a result get >> more people involved in some area of development. I think JohnB >> cleared the confusion on the new slackware package format and it >> looks like we can safely jump to the new package tools without having >> to rebuild all of the existing tlz packages. Now the biggest hurtle >> is to come up with a sane package list for SOHO that can fit on a 700 >> mb CD. I think taking out all of xfce its depends and a lot of fonts >> is a start then see how much gnome we really need for the remaining >> gtk apps we use is a start. MOE's new installer is based on a package >> install so no more bulks which means we will have to examine our vl >> specific packages >> and maybe create some new ones to accomodate this change (which i >> think is good in the long run) Again thanks to all for taking time >> out of your busy lives to get this task accomplished!!!! >> >> Cheers, Vec Robert Lange vec...@ya... <mailto:vec...@ya...> >> >> http://www.vectorlinux.com >> >> >> --- On Sat, 6/6/09, John B <joh...@gm... >> <mailto:joh...@gm...>> wrote: >> >> > From: John B <joh...@gm... <mailto:joh...@gm...>> >> > Subject: Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] SOHO 6.0 help please >> > To: "Vector Linux developer's list" >> <vec...@li... >> <mailto:vec...@li...>> >> > Received: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:47 PM >> >> > All, > > I went to the slackware-64current directory and built tar, >> > xzutils and > the slackwar... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and > enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > |
From: paul m. <pa...@wa...> - 2009-06-07 15:00:59
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Zenwalk has also moved to the new pkgtools. There have been a few problems in doing so - Thunar right-click installs still don't work correctly as an example. Not to mention that a svn version of MC has been used, which is badly broken in a couple of important areas. Other than that, the drop in package size is very useful. I'm happy to build some packages, do some testing. My experience level building KDE stuff is very small, but I guess I can learn.... paul. John B wrote: > I just saw that Absolute Linux, another Slackware derivative, just > released their 12.2.5 version, based off slackware64-current and using > all txz packages. According to the Distrowatch announcement, they were > able to get a lot more onto a single ISO because of the switch to the > txz format. > > The Distrowatch blurb also mentioned that they've modified pcmanfm and > Rox-Filer so that they can handle the txz packages. Maybe it might be > worth it for us to "poach" their patches. ;-) > > John > > M0E Lnx wrote: > >> I still think we should consider recompressing our packages to the new >> lzma format if it offers better compression advantages. It is good >> that it supports our current pkg format, this is goog for >> compatibility w/ our current online repos, but I think the iso still >> needs to be re-compressed >> >> >>> On Jun 6, 2009 10:45 PM, "Robert Lange" <vec...@ya... >>> <mailto:vec...@ya...>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> First of all my sincere thanks to you all for joining in here on a >>> very important part of VectorLinux, the SOHO project. We really >>> haven't utilized this mailing list as much as we should as it gives >>> us all a record of whats going on and who has done what. I think we >>> need to push to get more people to join the list and as a result get >>> more people involved in some area of development. I think JohnB >>> cleared the confusion on the new slackware package format and it >>> looks like we can safely jump to the new package tools without having >>> to rebuild all of the existing tlz packages. Now the biggest hurtle >>> is to come up with a sane package list for SOHO that can fit on a 700 >>> mb CD. I think taking out all of xfce its depends and a lot of fonts >>> is a start then see how much gnome we really need for the remaining >>> gtk apps we use is a start. MOE's new installer is based on a package >>> install so no more bulks which means we will have to examine our vl >>> specific packages >>> and maybe create some new ones to accomodate this change (which i >>> think is good in the long run) Again thanks to all for taking time >>> out of your busy lives to get this task accomplished!!!! >>> >>> Cheers, Vec Robert Lange vec...@ya... <mailto:vec...@ya...> >>> >>> http://www.vectorlinux.com >>> >>> >>> --- On Sat, 6/6/09, John B <joh...@gm... >>> <mailto:joh...@gm...>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: John B <joh...@gm... <mailto:joh...@gm...>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] SOHO 6.0 help please >>>> To: "Vector Linux developer's list" >>>> >>> <vec...@li... >>> <mailto:vec...@li...>> >>> >>>> Received: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:47 PM >>>> >>>> All, > > I went to the slackware-64current directory and built tar, >>>> xzutils and > the slackwar... >>>> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises >> looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest >> innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and >> enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. >> Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vectorlinux-devel mailing list >> Vec...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and > enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > |
From: Rodrigo B. <rbi...@gm...> - 2009-06-07 15:56:14
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We surelly can use better compression in SOHO if it is available. However it is my understanding that the compression is similar in xz and lz. I would like to see the new package tools in SOHO but wouldnt be urgent if there is no better compression rates. 2009/6/7 M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...>: > I still think we should consider recompressing our packages to the new lzma > format if it offers better compression advantages. It is good that it > supports our current pkg format, this is goog for compatibility w/ our > current online repos, but I think the iso still needs to be re-compressed > > On Jun 6, 2009 10:45 PM, "Robert Lange" <vec...@ya...> wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > First of all my sincere thanks to you all for joining in here on a very > important part of VectorLinux, the SOHO project. We really haven't utilized > this mailing list as much as we should as it gives us all a record of whats > going on and who has done what. I think we need to push to get more people > to join the list and as a result get more people involved in some area of > development. I think JohnB cleared the confusion on the new slackware > package format and it looks like we can safely jump to the new package tools > without having to rebuild all of the existing tlz packages. Now the biggest > hurtle is to come up with a sane package list for SOHO that can fit on a 700 > mb CD. I think taking out all of xfce its depends and a lot of fonts is a > start then see how much gnome we really need for the remaining gtk apps we > use is a start. MOE's new installer is based on a package install so no more > bulks which means we will have to examine our vl specific packages > and maybe create some new ones to accomodate this change (which i think is > good in the long run) Again thanks to all for taking time out of your busy > lives to get this task accomplished!!!! > > Cheers, Vec Robert Lange vec...@ya... > > http://www.vectorlinux.com > > > --- On Sat, 6/6/09, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote: > >> From: John B <joh...@gm...> >> Subject: Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] SOHO 6.0 help please >> To: "Vector Linux developer's list" >> <vec...@li...> >> Received: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:47 PM > >> All, > > I went to the slackware-64current directory and built tar, > >> xzutils and > the slackwar... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and > enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > |
From: uel a. <ue...@gm...> - 2009-06-07 20:41:39
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>From what I understand the compression is not better but the error detection is. moving to packages we will lose more space on the iso compared to bulks. this is because of some redundancy in packages and the "-9" compression we have been using in the bulks. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Rodrigo Bistolfi <rbi...@gm...>wrote: > We surelly can use better compression in SOHO if it is available. > However it is my understanding that the compression is similar in xz > and lz. I would like to see the new package tools in SOHO but wouldnt > be urgent if there is no better compression rates. > > 2009/6/7 M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...>: > > I still think we should consider recompressing our packages to the new > lzma > > format if it offers better compression advantages. It is good that it > > supports our current pkg format, this is goog for compatibility w/ our > > current online repos, but I think the iso still needs to be re-compressed > > > > On Jun 6, 2009 10:45 PM, "Robert Lange" <vec...@ya...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > First of all my sincere thanks to you all for joining in here on a very > > important part of VectorLinux, the SOHO project. We really haven't > utilized > > this mailing list as much as we should as it gives us all a record of > whats > > going on and who has done what. I think we need to push to get more > people > > to join the list and as a result get more people involved in some area of > > development. I think JohnB cleared the confusion on the new slackware > > package format and it looks like we can safely jump to the new package > tools > > without having to rebuild all of the existing tlz packages. Now the > biggest > > hurtle is to come up with a sane package list for SOHO that can fit on a > 700 > > mb CD. I think taking out all of xfce its depends and a lot of fonts is a > > start then see how much gnome we really need for the remaining gtk apps > we > > use is a start. MOE's new installer is based on a package install so no > more > > bulks which means we will have to examine our vl specific packages > > and maybe create some new ones to accomodate this change (which i think > is > > good in the long run) Again thanks to all for taking time out of your > busy > > lives to get this task accomplished!!!! > > > > Cheers, Vec Robert Lange vec...@ya... > > > > http://www.vectorlinux.com > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/6/09, John B <joh...@gm...> wrote: > > > >> From: John B <joh...@gm...> > >> Subject: Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] SOHO 6.0 help please > >> To: "Vector Linux developer's list" > >> <vec...@li...> > >> Received: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 10:47 PM > > > >> All, > > I went to the slackware-64current directory and built tar, > > >> xzutils and > the slackwar... > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises > > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest > > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and > > enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. > > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > > _______________________________________________ > > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > > Vec...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and > enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > |
From: kc1di-qrp <kc1...@ro...> - 2009-06-08 10:19:53
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If the compression is not really a consideration I would stay with tlz. it's working fine. If there would be significant benefit to the other then we should go for it. |
From: Eugéne S. <ea...@gm...> - 2009-06-08 10:55:20
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Hi folks, Sorry for my long absence, but IRL stuff has been keeping me very busy. I can also help out with SOHO as well, but only after mid July. Cheers! Eugéne |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-08 11:33:05
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Its been a long time easuter... welcome back On Jun 8, 2009 5:55 AM, "Eugéne Suter" <ea...@gm...> wrote: Hi folks, Sorry for my long absence, but IRL stuff has been keeping me very busy. I can also help out with SOHO as well, but only after mid July. Cheers! Eugéne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ OpenSolaris 2009.06 ... |
From: Sriram D. <sri...@gm...> - 2009-06-08 15:21:57
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Hi Folks, I have some free time in the next five weeks. I can help during that period. Cheers Ram On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:32 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...> wrote: > Its been a long time easuter... welcome back > > On Jun 8, 2009 5:55 AM, "Eugéne Suter" <ea...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Sorry for my long absence, but IRL stuff has been keeping me very busy. > I can also help out with SOHO as well, but only after mid July. > > Cheers! > Eugéne > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OpenSolaris 2009.06 ... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises > looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest > innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and > enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. > Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-08 15:27:02
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Any way we can get this on trac (hint : rbistolfi) so that we can organize better and keep good logs? On Jun 8, 2009 10:22 AM, "Sriram Durbha" <sri...@gm...> wrote: Hi Folks, I have some free time in the next five weeks. I can help during that period. Cheers Ram On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:32 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...> wrote: > > > Its been a long time easuter... welcome back >> >> On Jun 8, 2009 5:55 > AM, "Eugéne Suter" <easut... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > OpenSolaris 2009.... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects _______________________________________________ Vectorlinux-devel mailing list Vec...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel |
From: Sriram D. <sri...@gm...> - 2009-06-10 05:45:26
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Hi M0E Lnx, Im trying to get upto speed with Gambas so that i can get to work on the graphical installer eventually. So I'm starting with the UI for vasmCC as the "get your feet wet" project. Do you have a list of issues that need to be addressed for vasmCC? Thanks Cheers Ram On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...> wrote: > Any way we can get this on trac (hint : rbistolfi) so that we can organize > better and keep good logs? > > On Jun 8, 2009 10:22 AM, "Sriram Durbha" <sri...@gm...> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > I have some free time in the next five weeks. I can help during that > period. > Cheers > Ram > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:32 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...> wrote: > >> > > Its been a long time easuter... welcome back >> >> On Jun 8, 2009 5:55 >> AM, "Eugéne Suter" <easut... >> >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > OpenSolaris 2009.... >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-10 11:36:23
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That's great... I could use some help. Unfortunately, vasmcc does not have such a bug list. The project has kind of stalled so I could have time to get the installer going. My thought was to eventually move vasmcc to pygtk rather than gambas. The reasoning behind this is that there are other python programmers in the vl community. Moving it to python might just encourage them to contribute a module here or there. And also gambas has a never ending list of bugs in their gtk component. I just started with python and pygtk about a week ago, so this is way down the kline for me. I would suggest you dig right into the installer code. I have heavily commented most important functions. The speedy branch is the latest and greatest. iVL is the old one that shipped w/ 6.0 std. The structure has completely changed... so I started developing the speedy branch instead Btw guys.... new gambas is out with yet more bugfixes for gb.gtk. can we get a package? On Jun 10, 2009 12:45 AM, "Sriram Durbha" <sri...@gm...> wrote: Hi M0E Lnx, Im trying to get upto speed with Gambas so that i can get to work on the graphical installer eventually. So I'm starting with the UI for vasmCC as the "get your feet wet" project. Do you have a list of issues that need to be addressed for vasmCC? Thanks Cheers Ram On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...> wrote: > > Any way we can get this on... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects _______________________________________________ Vectorlinux-devel mailing list Vec...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-10 15:36:24
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Installer Update: I think I have fixed the issue with the bootloader. I'm linking you all to the full log output of the installer so you guys can see what the problems with the iso are so far. And also linking to the resulting lilo.conf just for giggles LOG: http://nopaste.com/p/arnJAPcX0 Lilo.conf: http://nopaste.com/p/aPlUAuS51 We are so close to testing stage.! |
From: uel a. <ue...@gm...> - 2009-06-10 15:48:49
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We need to set some clear goals for this SOHO release! from my perspective we have 2 options: 1) Use the old installers This will allow us to get SOHO out soon and we will be able to use the test ISO i made to build upon. 2) Use new installers This will significantly extend the release date of this SOHO. It will allow us to have better installers with more options. the text based installer will have to be rewritten to handle the new format of the ISO. Lets figure this part out ASAP so we know where to focus our manpower. Thanks, Uel On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...> wrote: > Installer Update: > I think I have fixed the issue with the bootloader. > I'm linking you all to the full log output of the installer so you > guys can see what the problems with the iso are so far. > And also linking to the resulting lilo.conf just for giggles > > LOG: http://nopaste.com/p/arnJAPcX0 > Lilo.conf: http://nopaste.com/p/aPlUAuS51 > > We are so close to testing stage.! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-10 16:02:43
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I for one think we should not waste time fixing something destined to be trashed. With that in mind, I think we ought to concentrate on developing a new release based on new tools, since slack has upgraded to 64b. It might take a bit longer, but it is the best way to go IMO. I'd hate to think of the instability that will be reflected if we put out a 1/2 SOHO with text-only installer right after a STD with GUI installer, which is why I have to agree with Uel. It is imperative that we have one goal in mind, and that it is very defined. Whatever that goal may be. |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-09 21:33:34
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Just to keep everyone in the loop... We have made a huge jump, and are about to make another one in the installer department. I've narrowed down so far to major showstoppers for the latest installer... you can find these listed here http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/trac/vinstall/query?group=status&milestone=vinstall-ng-1.1+(codename+'speedy') Once rbistolfi gets the source updated there, I hope to be committing code directly there rather than google code. Although, a chron job to back-up to google maybe once a day wouldn't hurt... but that's a whole nother subject. At any rate, this is where the installer stands. As you can see in the first bug entry, is where I need help. Uel, Vec... we need to figure out what to do about kernels... do we just copy the one from the running system on to the target ? or just install the one provided in the iso as kernel-version-i586-1vl60.tlz? This is the most critical issue at the moment. Stay tuned for more |
From: Rodrigo B. <rbi...@gm...> - 2009-06-09 22:23:21
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SVN repo at http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/svn/vinstall/ is now synced with revision 559. About the backups, it might be a good idea. I have a full weekly backup here, and daily incremental backups (i.e. only the changes are copyed daily, and a full backup is made weekly). For the svn repositories, two backups are made, a hardcopy and a svn export. Maybe we can mirror those files for redundancy, until now the files are in the server and they are scp'ed to my box every 4am. Still, you may want to commit to google code until the recovery process is well tested, I have done it a few times without problems so far. I am open to suggestions about any other backup method. On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:31:59PM -0500, M0E Lnx wrote: > Just to keep everyone in the loop... We have made a huge jump, and are > about to make another one in the installer department. > > I've narrowed down so far to major showstoppers for the latest > installer... you can find these listed here > http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/trac/vinstall/query?group=status&milestone=vinstall-ng-1.1+(codename+'speedy') > > Once rbistolfi gets the source updated there, I hope to be committing > code directly there rather than google code. > Although, a chron job to back-up to google maybe once a day wouldn't > hurt... but that's a whole nother subject. > > At any rate, this is where the installer stands. > As you can see in the first bug entry, is where I need help. > Uel, Vec... > we need to figure out what to do about kernels... > do we just copy the one from the running system on to the target ? > or just install the one provided in the iso as kernel-version-i586-1vl60.tlz? > > This is the most critical issue at the moment. > > Stay tuned for more > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-09 22:26:19
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I will need to start committing tomorrow On Jun 9, 2009 5:23 PM, "Rodrigo Bistolfi" <rbi...@gm...> wrote: SVN repo at http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/svn/vinstall/ is now synced with revision 559. About the backups, it might be a good idea. I have a full weekly backup here, and daily incremental backups (i.e. only the changes are copyed daily, and a full backup is made weekly). For the svn repositories, two backups are made, a hardcopy and a svn export. Maybe we can mirror those files for redundancy, until now the files are in the server and they are scp'ed to my box every 4am. Still, you may want to commit to google code until the recovery process is well tested, I have done it a few times without problems so far. I am open to suggestions about any other backup method. On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:31:59PM -0500, M0E Lnx wrote: > Just to keep everyone in the loop... We ... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports -... |
From: Rodrigo B. <rbi...@gm...> - 2009-06-08 17:09:22
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Woha nice to see you again easuter, welcome back :) And Sriram is here too... we are putting a Dream Team together :D > Any way we can get this on trac (hint : rbistolfi) so that we can organize > better and keep good logs? Well, Source Forge must be keeping a log somewhere, we could get a copy, but I think a better method would be just to take the conclusion of the discusions we may have here and file a ticket if needed, either with a bug report or a scheduled task. If important information is posted here and worth to keep, we can add it to the wiki. I have been trying to log our work in the wiki. I know it looks like time lost, but if we can document our work, people will be able to pick it up in the future if we get busy IRL or something, or we may want to delegate some part of our work to new collaborators. If we keep a devel-wiki, the pass from user to developer will be easier. I have been reading on KDE4 and I keep some notes in http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/trac/vlcore/wiki/VectorSoho For those who are joining now, we got a dedicated server donated by a hosting company, and we installed some tools there for project mangement. There is a blog we can use, wiki, SVN and ticket system. The url is http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com, you can register yourself there using the link at top right. A ftp service is available also in ftp://vlcore.vectorlinux.com, those who would want to upload stuff there have to mail me a public ssh key. >If the compression is not really a consideration I would stay with tlz. >it's working fine. > >If there would be significant benefit to the other then we should go for >it. Keep in mind that we will be forced to the migration eventually, as SW 12.2 packages are txz, and I guess the lzma guys will eventually focus all the development in the new format. The question is if we have to do it now or in the next release. Glad to see some folks back, this is going to be fun :) |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-08 17:32:41
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The reason I'm begging for trac is because the installer will need serious testing/debugging... my time keeps getting cut shorter and shorter as I struggle to keep my job / find a new one, so organization is key to make the most out of my time On Jun 8, 2009 12:09 PM, "Rodrigo Bistolfi" <rbi...@gm...> wrote: Woha nice to see you again easuter, welcome back :) And Sriram is here too... we are putting a Dream Team together :D > Any way we can get this on trac (hint : rbistolfi) so that we can organize > better and keep good... Well, Source Forge must be keeping a log somewhere, we could get a copy, but I think a better method would be just to take the conclusion of the discusions we may have here and file a ticket if needed, either with a bug report or a scheduled task. If important information is posted here and worth to keep, we can add it to the wiki. I have been trying to log our work in the wiki. I know it looks like time lost, but if we can document our work, people will be able to pick it up in the future if we get busy IRL or something, or we may want to delegate some part of our work to new collaborators. If we keep a devel-wiki, the pass from user to developer will be easier. I have been reading on KDE4 and I keep some notes in http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/trac/vlcore/wiki/VectorSoho For those who are joining now, we got a dedicated server donated by a hosting company, and we installed some tools there for project mangement. There is a blog we can use, wiki, SVN and ticket system. The url is http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com, you can register yourself there using the link at top right. A ftp service is available also in ftp://vlcore.vectorlinux.com, those who would want to upload stuff there have to mail me a public ssh key. >If the compression is not really a consideration I would stay with tlz. >it's working fine. > >If ... Keep in mind that we will be forced to the migration eventually, as SW 12.2 packages are txz, and I guess the lzma guys will eventually focus all the development in the new format. The question is if we have to do it now or in the next release. Glad to see some folks back, this is going to be fun :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - Ne... |
From: Uel A. <ue...@gm...> - 2009-06-09 14:11:26
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I have a test ISO up built on a higher compressed 6.0 light that includes Vecs kde4 test packages. There seems to be some leftover kdm cruft in one of the bulks causing poblems but otherwise it works alright. The main reason for this ISO was to see what we can fit in 700mb so we should install it and generate some pig lists and play with what can be removed. If someone that has the link to the ISO can post it it will be appreciated. IMO we should wait to switch to xz and the newest installer after this SOHO release. I think they will only add more work/time at this point. Uel On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:31 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm...> wrote: > The reason I'm begging for trac is because the installer will need > serious testing/debugging... my time keeps getting cut shorter and > shorter as I struggle to keep my job / find a new one, so > organization is key to make the most out of my time > >> On Jun 8, 2009 12:09 PM, "Rodrigo Bistolfi" <rbi...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >> Woha nice to see you again easuter, welcome back :) >> And Sriram is here too... we are putting a Dream Team together :D >> > Any way we can get this on trac (hint : rbistolfi) so that we can >> organize > better and keep good... >> >> Well, Source Forge must be keeping a log somewhere, we could get a >> copy, but I think a better method would be just to take the >> conclusion >> of the discusions we may have here and file a ticket if needed, >> either >> with a bug report or a scheduled task. If important information is >> posted here and worth to keep, we can add it to the wiki. I have been >> trying to log our work in the wiki. I know it looks like time lost, >> but if we can document our work, people will be able to pick it up in >> the future if we get busy IRL or something, or we may want to >> delegate >> some part of our work to new collaborators. If we keep a devel-wiki, >> the pass from user to developer will be easier. I have been reading >> on >> KDE4 and I keep some notes in >> http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/trac/vlcore/wiki/VectorSoho >> >> For those who are joining now, we got a dedicated server donated by a >> hosting company, and we installed some tools there for project >> mangement. There is a blog we can use, wiki, SVN and ticket system. >> The url is http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com, you can register yourself >> there using the link at top right. A ftp service is available also in >> ftp://vlcore.vectorlinux.com, those who would want to upload stuff >> there have to mail me a public ssh key. >> >If the compression is not really a consideration I would stay with >> tlz. >it's working fine. > >If ... >> >> Keep in mind that we will be forced to the migration eventually, as >> SW >> 12.2 packages are txz, and I guess the lzma guys will eventually >> focus >> all the development in the new format. The question is if we have to >> do it now or in the next release. >> >> Glad to see some folks back, this is going to be fun :) >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Crystal Reports - Ne... >> > > --- > --- > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-09 14:36:40
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If you do that... you should consider shipping w/ text-only installer since the old gui is quite buggy and has not/will not be debugged. I tired your a0.1 iso last night.... couldn't get kde to start. The iso I tested is at ftp://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/vectorlinux/Uelsk8s/test/VL6.0-SOHO-A0.1.iso ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing opti... > > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vectorlinux-... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects _______________________________________________ Vectorlinux-devel mailing list Vec...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel |
From: kc1di-qrp <kc1...@ro...> - 2009-06-10 16:28:57
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uel archuletta wrote: > We need to set some clear goals for this SOHO release! > > from my perspective we have 2 options: > > 1) Use the old installers > This will allow us to get SOHO out soon and we will be able to use > the test ISO i made to build upon. > > 2) Use new installers > This will significantly extend the release date of this SOHO. > It will allow us to have better installers with more options. > the text based installer will have to be rewritten to handle the new > format of the ISO. > > Lets figure this part out ASAP so we know where to focus our manpower. > > Thanks, > Uel > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM, M0E Lnx <m0...@gm... > <mailto:m0...@gm...>> wrote: > > Installer Update: > I think I have fixed the issue with the bootloader. > I'm linking you all to the full log output of the installer so you > guys can see what the problems with the iso are so far. > And also linking to the resulting lilo.conf just for giggles > > LOG: http://nopaste.com/p/arnJAPcX0 > Lilo.conf: http://nopaste.com/p/aPlUAuS51 > > We are so close to testing stage.! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > <mailto:Vec...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Vectorlinux-devel mailing list > Vec...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > I Think a Clear goal is vital. With that said I believe we should also consider changing the boot loader to Grub at this time. I'm getting more and more requests for grub. It seems to be the standard for most distros now and most newbies are better acquainted with it.. not that lilo is in any way inferior. If we keep Lilo we should develop an easy to use GUI configtool for it that is very straight forward. Just my two cent's worth. |
From: M0E L. <m0...@gm...> - 2009-06-10 16:35:04
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I have focused a lot on this department in the new istaller. The speedy branch con configure both. I have currently disabled the grub option because it needs more debugging/testing. Also need to find out if we want to go to grub2 or legacy grub. This is wats stopping me from grub atm, because the syntax of the menu.lst has changed. But I do feel much more confident on this installer On Jun 10, 2009 11:29 AM, "kc1di-qrp" <kc1...@ro...> wrote: uel archuletta wrote: > We need to set some clear goals for this SOHO release! > > from my perspecti... > <mailto:m0...@gm...>> wrote: > > Installer Update: > I think I have fixed the issue ... > <mailto:Vec...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vectorlinux-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports... I Think a Clear goal is vital. With that said I believe we should also consider changing the boot loader to Grub at this time. I'm getting more and more requests for grub. It seems to be the standard for most distros now and most newbies are better acquainted with it.. not that lilo is in any way inferior. If we keep Lilo we should develop an easy to use GUI configtool for it that is very straight forward. Just my two cent's worth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Crystal Reports - ... |