Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] VL6.0-SOHO-A1.45.iso

[Newt <gen...@gm...>]

Thanks for that explanation, Uel. I guess that settles it. It would essentially
take a person with advanced knowledge of the apple boot process and bootloaders in
order to even install VL along side osx, such that it would not be a concern
whether our installer identifies an osx system during the bootloader stage. That
means less work! :D

Cheers, newt

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Monday, October 12, 2009, 9:38:31 PM, you wrote:

ua> A "relatively novice osx user" could not even boot the VL install cdrom.
ua> Apple hardware has a "firmware" that loads the OS.
ua> Without replacing it you cant boot anything but an OSX HD or DVD.
ua> LILO/GRUB will not boot by itself at all.

ua> So to install VL on an intel mac you have to replace the firmware by
ua> installing REFIT, then use REFIT to boot the CDROM, and install VL.

ua> HTH,
ua> Uel

ua> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Newt <gen...@gm...> wrote:

>> Hello,
>>
>> Uel: How does this affect a relatively novice osx user? Could they
>> accidentally
>> leave themselves without an easy way to boot back into osx using LILO?
>>
>> I'm just trying to determine if (for instance) lilo could leave someone
>> locked out
>> of osx without an easy way to fix the situation.
>>
>> Example: User installs VL on their mac for dual-booting. Installer does not
>> detect
>> osx partition. They choose LILO as the bootloader. Lilo installs
>> successfully with
>> only 'VL' and 'VL-cli' boot options. 1) Is this even possible on a mac?,
>> and 2) if
>> so, is it in our best interest to have our installer probe for and include
>> osx
>> partitions in the bootloader phase?
>>
>> Since you have the hardware I imagine you know the answer or can determine
>> it
>> pretty easily. This is probably not the most important issue but just
>> something
>> that came to mind a couple days ago.
>>
>> Cheers, newt
>>
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>>
>> Monday, October 12, 2009, 5:35:17 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> ua> 3 of my computers here are Intel macs. they do not have a BIOS, and
>> need
>> ua> something to load grub/lilo. REFIT works best for this IMO, and adds an
>> ua> option to boot OSX, so adding it to LILO or grub is redundant.
>>
>> ua> Grub will not install to any of the HD that are partitioned GPT without
>> the
>> ua> --force argument.
>>
>>
>>
>> ua> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Newt <gen...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the info on REFIt. It sounds like an interesting project
>> though
>> >> I'm not
>> >> sure I want to venture down that path at the present time.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I'm not concerned with lilo automatically picking up my osx
>> >> installation as I can easily add it to lilo; plus, it's non-standard
>> >> implementation of osx for testing purposes. I was more thinking of other
>> >> standard
>> >> osx users who might end up "locked out" of their systems if a boot
>> option
>> >> is not
>> >> included by default.
>> >>
>> >> Then again, it's entirely possible that apple already has a forced
>> scenario
>> >> whereby a non-apple bootloader always comes second in the boot process
>> >> regardless
>> >> of user wants. Example: Perhaps efi always loads prior to mbr providing
>> >> options of
>> >> 'osx' and other bootloaders (lilo/grub/etc). This kind of scenario would
>> >> alleviate
>> >> any necessity to detect and provide a boot option for osx since apple
>> would
>> >> already have their users "protected". I don't have any true apple
>> hardware
>> >> so I
>> >> cannot say for sure.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers, newt
>> >>
>> >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> >>
>> >> Monday, October 12, 2009, 3:36:29 PM, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> JB> Moe and all,
>> >>
>> >> JB> Google may well be our friend on resolving Newt's problem in getting
>> >> his OS
>> >> JB> X entry to show in the LILO menu. The REFIt project on sf.net may
>> or
>> >> may not
>> >> JB> be helpful to Newt:
>> >>
>> >> JB> http://refit.sourceforge.net/ - rEFIt is a boot menu and
>> maintenance
>> >> toolkit
>> >> JB> for EFI <http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/>-based machines like
>> the
>> >> Intel
>> >> JB> Macs <http://www.apple.com/hardware/>. You can use it to boot
>> multiple
>> >> JB> operating systems easily, including triple-boot setups with Boot
>> Camp.
>> >> It
>> >> JB> also provides an easy way to enter and explore the EFI pre-boot
>> >> environment.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> JB> Cheers,
>> >> JB> John