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Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] GPL Issues surrounding Mepis and the can of worms he opened.
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From: Tony B. <tb...@gm...> - 2006-07-06 22:34:34
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Yes but Novell, Redhat, and the other bigger ones can afford to find out in court - I can't and won't. As soon as we "distribute" it to the VL repo, we are in the same boat as any other commercial distro and are liable for the same reason. Sadly, it has become a mess. Not only are we attacked from the outside but the kernel devs now. If this all unfolds as it is starting to, linux will be locked in to strictly be a server OS and that is where the money is anyway so I'm not sure the paid kernel devs really care since that is what is driving linux on a larger scale. Even consultation with a lawyer doesn't prevent legal actions from being started and then you must defend yourself. Just look at the whole IBM/SCO fiasco. The negatives now outweigh the positives. Those of you that reside outside the US and Canada are pretty much immune to all of this but for those of us that live here, the threat is a real possibility. I predict that if SCO is even minutely successful against IBM, there will be a whole slew of new lawsuits coming and look how long the IBM/SCO lawsuit has been going on. I am bowing out before this goes any further. I can't put my financial life at risk when I see no financial benefit from it. On 7/6/06, Sriram Durbha <sri...@gm...> wrote: > > Tigger, > It is true that almost none of us can afford the legal fee, or the > hassle. > I would urge you to not throw the towel in yet. because the problems are > with distribution and not with development. > We can do what we want for personal use. It is when we distribuite it, > that these issues crop up. and as such we dont have to distribute anything > to the public until it is given a green signal by the concerned parties. > The current confusion is unforunately a side effect of what the FSF is > trying to do. > I would request you to keep the candle alight for a little while longer. > If this is bad for you it is bad for a lot of us also. Lets stick together > as a group and decide if we can continue or not. > From my end, i will write to the Laywer that kororaa corresponded with and > identify a solution to our distribution problems, and also we can see how > we personally dont come under any legal mess. > I will need a little help, but we can pull it off. if we are in trouble so > are Novell, RedHat etc. > > cheers > ram > > > > > On 7/6/06, Tony Brijeski < tb...@gm...> wrote: > > > > The other probably larger issue is Mplayer and the inclusion of the > > Microsoft codecs. These are illegal in North America. > > > > Right now there are too many possible legal hurdles for my liking and I > > can't afford to hire a lawyer to prove myself innocent or see how it plays > > out. > > > > I can't take the chance that any of this goes to court and we have to > > prove our innocence. I owe it to my family to not put us in this kind of > > shaky legal status. Hell, I can't even afford to replace my failed hard > > drive right now - lol. > > > > With that said and with great regrets, I am dropping out of Linux > > development permanently. > > > > It just doesn't make sense to keep this hobby going with all the > > possible negative aspects surrounding it right now. > > > > It has been a pleasure working with you all and I hope all of this just > > blows over for Robert's sake and for all of you. > > > > Robert - anything that I have provided to VL under the GPL, is now your > > property solely and you can change any copyright texts where my name is > > mentioned to yours. > > > > Regards, > > Tony > > > > > > > > On 7/6/06, Sriram Durbha <sri...@gm... > wrote: > > > > > > Guys, > > > I spent some more time on this and after deep thought, realised that > > > we have no problems if we dont preinstall the Nvidia/ati drivers . > > > > > > here are the possible solutions. > > > > > > 1. provide a dialog that informs the user that they wont get the > > > sources for the Nvidia drivers, but can get the sources for all the others > > > stuff , and that they can proceed with the install only if they agree that > > > they understand this. Also they should agree that if they give their copy > > > of VL to any one else, they also agree to the above clause. > > > > > > 2. provide instructions / tool to install the Nvidia/ATI driver > > > themselves. they have to agree that if they give their copy of VL to a > > > third person, the third person has to be aware of the situation. > > > > > > 3. Provide the info /tools through the forum. not officially as part > > > of the distro. > > > > > > I want to have these reviewed by someone at EFF. if we agree on our > > > situation, we can find a solution that is acceptable to the EFF. > > > > > > I dont like the idea of us backing off after so much effort by so many > > > people. There are a lot of users who LOVE VL. Im sure we can find a > > > solution out of this pedantic legal mess. > > > please comment > > > cheers > > > ram > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/30/06, hanumizzle <han...@gm... > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 6/30/06, Tony Brijeski < tb...@gm...> wrote: > > > > > More fuel for the fire. > > > > > > > > > > http://technocrat.net/d/2006/6/30/5032 > > > > > > > > I don't think Canada give full faith and credit to silly U.S. > > > > software > > > > patents. There already exists a legal precedent against patenting > > > > mathematical formulae (CS processes are similar in nature): c.f. > > > > Schlumberger Canada Ltd. v. Commissioner of Patents (1981). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Remember that time Thotsakan punched Neil Bush in the dick? > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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