Re: [Vectorlinux-devel] 64-bit Linux and Kernel 2.6.16

[Tony B. <tb...@gm...>]

I tried Kanotix 64 out last night which is basically the 64-bit version of
debian sid.

Much better than Suse 10.0.  I never really liked yast and how they do the
init scripts stuff.

Anyway, Kanotix is running pretty well and for the 64-bit apps, there is a
noticeable speed increase.  There wasn't as much on SuSE but debian is
flying.

I still think we should stick with 32-bit for now anyway.  64-bit will be
harder to maintain as we won't be able to start from a slack base - it woul=
d
be a whole new distro.

32-bit 3d gaming on the 64-bit OS is still a bit behind native 32 bit gamin=
g
in terms of FPS but I think that has to do with the nvidia drivers.

Kanotix and Kanotix 64 are live cd's that you can install - they were
originally based on Knoppix.  I still think the LiveCD with install option
is the way to go in the future.

I am going to stick with Kanotix(Debian) for the 64-bit stuff on that box
for now.  I also have SOHO 5.1.1 on it.  SOHO keeps up pretty well to SuSE
64-bit but not to Kanotix64.



On 3/22/06, Robert Lange <vec...@ya...> wrote:
>
>
> --- Tony Brijeski <tb...@gm...> wrote:
>
> > On 3/21/06, Vanger <fa...@gm...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Kernel 2.6.16 is out.  Lets all try it out and
> > see if we can do the
> > > uevent
> > > > udev thing instead of hotplug and udev together.
>
>
> Here is a link I found for implementing the new udev
> on slack based systems. This requires at least the
> kernel 2.6.15 to work and 2.6.16 came out yesterday.
> This may require a bit of hacking to run nicely on
> vector but it's a start.........:)
> Cheers,
> Vec
> http://piterpunk.info02.com.br/extra/
>
>
> > > Just downloaded, will try.
> > >
> > > > Anyone who tries to say 64-bit is much better
> > than 32-bit probably
> > > doesn't
> > > > know what they are talking about and are just
> > going along with AMD and
> > > Intel
> > > > hype about 64-bit.
> > > Well, the kernel compiles on Slamd64 in about 1.5
> > times faster, then
> > > on VL. But that does not overweight the libraries'
> > troubles.
> >
> >
> > Kernel compiles will be faster due to the 64 bit
> > registers but overall speed
> > is not much different.  There is some difference
> > with 64 bit native apps but
> > not enough to justify losing the ease of use of 32
> > bit distros.  32-bit apps
> > run the same on 64 as they do on 32 unless they
> > heavily use peripherals via
> > the kernel which would speed them up a bit as well.
> >
> > > My Sempron 2800+( 1.6 Gig but
> > > > overclocked to 2.0 gig 200fsbX10) socket 754 cpu
> > on the k8n mobo
> > > How did you do it? 2800+ has locked multiplier 8x.
> >
> >
> >
> > My mistake - lol.  I meant to write 250x8 for 2.0
> > Gig.  Yes the x86_64 cpus
> > are multiplier locked.  My mobo allows me to raise
> > the cpu fsb independant
> > of agp and memory speed.
> >
> > > runs about the same as my old AthlonXP 2400+(2.0
> > Gig
> > > Well, usual system tasks are nearly the same. When
> > you are doing some
> > > math and optimise the program for your
> > architecture, K8 performs
> > > really better, then K7.
> >
> >
> > Yes but there are very few applications that take
> > full advantage of the
> > 64-bit architecture at this time.  Some have been
> > rewritten to include the
> > 64 bit registers but not as optimized as they should
> > be.  They are basically
> > ports of 32 bit.  This will hopefully change in the
> > future.
> >
> > I'm going to give Kanotix 64 a shot this evening
> > which is just debian 64 but
> > I will also have to setup a 32-bit chroot
> > environment for it or try the
> > ia32-libs install to see if that works for 32 bit
> > apps.
> >
> > I don't think simply installing a kernel that is
> > x86_64 optimized would do
> > anything without using a 64-bit compiler and
> > recompiling all libraries that
> > have 64-bit ports.
> >
> > If VL goes 64-bit, it would have to be total 64-bit
> > with 32 bit libs for
> > those apps that won't compile under 64 bit.
> >
> >
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