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From: Philippe W. <phi...@sk...> - 2017-01-04 14:21:21
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No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like one year. No reply received for question in https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? Should we consider this platform as dead ? Philippe |
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From: Roland M. <rol...@nr...> - 2017-01-12 12:37:11
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Petar Jovanovic <mip...@gm...> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Philippe Waroquiers > <phi...@sk...> wrote: >> No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like >> one year. >> No reply received for question in >> https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ >> >> Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? >> Should we consider this platform as dead ? >> > I have exchanged a few emails with Tilera/Mellanox compiler enigneers, > and they say they cannot take care of TileGx port in Valgrind for the > time being. Is there any emulator or other way we can use to test changes ? I don't like seeing such a port just disappear... ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) rol...@nr... \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 3992797 (;O/ \/ \O;) |
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From: Philippe W. <phi...@sk...> - 2017-01-12 19:36:18
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On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 13:37 +0100, Roland Mainz wrote: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Petar Jovanovic <mip...@gm...> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Philippe Waroquiers > > <phi...@sk...> wrote: > >> No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like > >> one year. > >> No reply received for question in > >> https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ > >> > >> Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? > >> Should we consider this platform as dead ? > >> > > I have exchanged a few emails with Tilera/Mellanox compiler enigneers, > > and they say they cannot take care of TileGx port in Valgrind for the > > time being. > > Is there any emulator or other way we can use to test changes ? I > don't like seeing such a port just disappear... Well, if there is no known users, and no (original) developer doing maintenance and no reply from (original) developers to simple questions and no access to a system to test/compile and no nightly build and no tests in SVN and no emulator then IMO, this platform is a candidate to remove. as just keeping this compiling forever for no reason will at the end cost more than just removing it. I will at least put this question as one of the things to discuss in FOSDEM 2017 Valgrind BoF. Also, IMO, for the future, we also have to put some mandatory requirements before accepting new platforms such as e.g. provide an access to a development system, at least for some time ensure a minimum of effort for maintenance/questions, provide tests, ... Philippe |
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From: Ivo R. <iv...@iv...> - 2017-01-13 10:41:36
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2017-01-12 20:36 GMT+01:00 Philippe Waroquiers < phi...@sk...>: > On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 13:37 +0100, Roland Mainz wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Petar Jovanovic <mip...@gm...> > wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Philippe Waroquiers > > > <phi...@sk...> wrote: > > >> No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like > > >> one year. > > >> No reply received for question in > > >> https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ > > >> > > >> Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? > > >> Should we consider this platform as dead ? > > >> > > > I have exchanged a few emails with Tilera/Mellanox compiler enigneers, > > > and they say they cannot take care of TileGx port in Valgrind for the > > > time being. > > > > Is there any emulator or other way we can use to test changes ? I > > don't like seeing such a port just disappear... > Well, if there is > no known users, > and no (original) developer doing maintenance > and no reply from (original) developers to simple questions > and no access to a system to test/compile > and no nightly build > and no tests in SVN > and no emulator > then IMO, this platform is a candidate to remove. > as just keeping this compiling forever for no reason will > at the end cost more than just removing it. > Agreed here. Although there are regtests under none/tests/tilegx there is no way to run them without any access to the machine or emulator. I. |
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From: <pa...@fr...> - 2017-01-13 18:33:07
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----- Original Message ----- > No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like > one year. > No reply received for question in > https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ > > Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? > Should we consider this platform as dead ? > > Philippe Hi Perhaps related to this, the parent company of Tilera, EZchip, was acquired by Mellanox about a year ago: http://www.mellanox.com/page/press_release_item?id=1681 A+ Paul |
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From: Irek S. <isz...@gm...> - 2017-01-13 20:43:14
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OK, next is to remove the Solaris port of valgrind. OS was discontinued, Oracle does not respond to emails and there is no emulator. Please remove. Irek On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Ivo Raisr <iv...@iv...> wrote: > > > 2017-01-12 20:36 GMT+01:00 Philippe Waroquiers > <phi...@sk...>: >> >> On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 13:37 +0100, Roland Mainz wrote: >> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Petar Jovanovic <mip...@gm...> >> > wrote: >> > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Philippe Waroquiers >> > > <phi...@sk...> wrote: >> > >> No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like >> > >> one year. >> > >> No reply received for question in >> > >> https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ >> > >> >> > >> Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? >> > >> Should we consider this platform as dead ? >> > >> >> > > I have exchanged a few emails with Tilera/Mellanox compiler enigneers, >> > > and they say they cannot take care of TileGx port in Valgrind for the >> > > time being. >> > >> > Is there any emulator or other way we can use to test changes ? I >> > don't like seeing such a port just disappear... >> Well, if there is >> no known users, >> and no (original) developer doing maintenance >> and no reply from (original) developers to simple questions >> and no access to a system to test/compile >> and no nightly build >> and no tests in SVN >> and no emulator >> then IMO, this platform is a candidate to remove. >> as just keeping this compiling forever for no reason will >> at the end cost more than just removing it. > > > Agreed here. Although there are regtests under none/tests/tilegx there is no > way > to run them without any access to the machine or emulator. > I. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > _______________________________________________ > Valgrind-developers mailing list > Val...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/valgrind-developers > -- Irek |
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From: Mark W. <mj...@re...> - 2017-01-13 21:10:09
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 09:43:07PM +0100, Irek Szczesniak wrote: > OK, next is to remove the Solaris port of valgrind. OS was > discontinued, Oracle does not respond to emails and there is no > emulator. > > Please remove. You message is inappropriate in this thread. There are no issues with the valgrind solaris port. It is maintained. Reported bugs get fixed. Ivo is one of the most active valgrind developers. And he always makes sure other platforms benefit from his work. Please take your solaris/oracle rants somewhere else. Thanks, Mark |
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From: Ivo R. <iv...@iv...> - 2017-01-13 21:11:19
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2017-01-13 21:43 GMT+01:00 Irek Szczesniak <isz...@gm...>: > OK, next is to remove the Solaris port of valgrind. OS was > discontinued, Oracle does not respond to emails and there is no > emulator. You can say remove OS X port of Valgrind as well in this manner. Prove your statements. Who says "[Solaris] OS is discontinued"? If you are running an x86 machine, an "emulator" is right on your machine - get x86/Solaris template for VirtualBox [1]. What are your Valgrind contributions in general which give you a position to say "remove something"? I. [1] http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/vm- templates-2245495.html |
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From: Julian S. <js...@ac...> - 2017-01-13 21:18:29
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That's not a fair comparison. The Solaris port has a very active maintainer and (presumably) also has users. By comparison the Tilegx port has shown no signs of life for a considerable period of time, despite attempts by more than one person here to contact both maintainers and users. In my view it is valid to discuss whether we should continue to have the Tilegx port in the tree. J On 13/01/17 21:43, Irek Szczesniak wrote: > OK, next is to remove the Solaris port of valgrind. OS was > discontinued, Oracle does not respond to emails and there is no > emulator. > > Please remove. > > Irek > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Ivo Raisr <iv...@iv...> wrote: >> >> >> 2017-01-12 20:36 GMT+01:00 Philippe Waroquiers >> <phi...@sk...>: >>> >>> On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 13:37 +0100, Roland Mainz wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Petar Jovanovic <mip...@gm...> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Philippe Waroquiers >>>>> <phi...@sk...> wrote: >>>>>> No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like >>>>>> one year. >>>>>> No reply received for question in >>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? >>>>>> Should we consider this platform as dead ? >>>>>> >>>>> I have exchanged a few emails with Tilera/Mellanox compiler enigneers, >>>>> and they say they cannot take care of TileGx port in Valgrind for the >>>>> time being. >>>> >>>> Is there any emulator or other way we can use to test changes ? I >>>> don't like seeing such a port just disappear... >>> Well, if there is >>> no known users, >>> and no (original) developer doing maintenance >>> and no reply from (original) developers to simple questions >>> and no access to a system to test/compile >>> and no nightly build >>> and no tests in SVN >>> and no emulator >>> then IMO, this platform is a candidate to remove. >>> as just keeping this compiling forever for no reason will >>> at the end cost more than just removing it. >> >> >> Agreed here. Although there are regtests under none/tests/tilegx there is no >> way >> to run them without any access to the machine or emulator. >> I. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors >> Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. >> With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. >> Training and support from Colfax. >> Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi >> _______________________________________________ >> Valgrind-developers mailing list >> Val...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/valgrind-developers >> > > > |
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From: Ivo R. <iv...@iv...> - 2017-01-13 21:31:58
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2017-01-13 22:27 GMT+01:00 Dan Shelton <dan...@gm...>: > On 13 January 2017 at 21:59, Julian Seward <js...@ac...> wrote: > > > > That's not a fair comparison. The Solaris port has a very active > > maintainer and (presumably) also has users. > > Well, given that Mr Irek was part of the Opensolaris community I THINK > he was applying sarcasm and a large grain or whole mine of salt to the > situation. > > Also, even that Solaris is now dead, not only per > http://www.sunhelp.org/ but by the virtue of Oracle having laid off > more than 150 people of the core os team(!!!!!!), there is still > Illumos. > The information at sunhelp.org is heavily outdated (from 1st December 2016). Since then, a lot has happened. Have a look at the source cited at sunhelp.org and you will find much more fresh information which brings this whole situation into reality again. I. |
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From: Philippe W. <phi...@sk...> - 2017-01-13 22:03:18
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Using SETI (Search Extra Tile-gx Information) I tried to find some recent news about tile-gx, such as a newer version of the instruction set, or new processor models or whatever indicating a sign of active development life. I find nothing. To the contrary, what I can find is that the tile-gx architecture is being replaced by tile-mx, which is an ARM based chip. See a.o http://www.mellanox.com/repository/solutions/tile-scm/ and http://www.bdti.com/InsideDSP/2015/03/03/EZchip and various other things such as ezchip roadmap. So, no developer, no user, no company person telling anything, and public information telling the chip will be replaced. So, it looks clear that tile-gx will have to be removed sooner or later. IMO, sooner is better: I spent some effort even very recently on the tile-gx files (as part of a factorisation effort) and it looks like this (evening/week-end) effort was just spent for nothing, while some real users have to wait because their wishes are just put in my TODO list. The above is some additional info for the discussion we can have at FOSDEM2017 valgrind BoF. Maybe we will receive some information from Mellanox before FOSDEM in the meantime. But with the current info, it looks doubtful anybody wants to spend any more effort on maintaining this. Philippe On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 21:59 +0100, Julian Seward wrote: > That's not a fair comparison. The Solaris port has a very active > maintainer and (presumably) also has users. By comparison the Tilegx > port has shown no signs of life for a considerable period of time, > despite attempts by more than one person here to contact both maintainers > and users. In my view it is valid to discuss whether we should continue > to have the Tilegx port in the tree. > > J > > On 13/01/17 21:43, Irek Szczesniak wrote: > > OK, next is to remove the Solaris port of valgrind. OS was > > discontinued, Oracle does not respond to emails and there is no > > emulator. > > > > Please remove. > > > > Irek > > > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Ivo Raisr <iv...@iv...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> 2017-01-12 20:36 GMT+01:00 Philippe Waroquiers > >> <phi...@sk...>: > >>> > >>> On Thu, 2017-01-12 at 13:37 +0100, Roland Mainz wrote: > >>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Petar Jovanovic <mip...@gm...> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Philippe Waroquiers > >>>>> <phi...@sk...> wrote: > >>>>>> No sign of any tilegx user or developer activity since something like > >>>>>> one year. > >>>>>> No reply received for question in > >>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/p/valgrind/mailman/message/35566192/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is there any tilegx user or developer still active ? > >>>>>> Should we consider this platform as dead ? > >>>>>> > >>>>> I have exchanged a few emails with Tilera/Mellanox compiler enigneers, > >>>>> and they say they cannot take care of TileGx port in Valgrind for the > >>>>> time being. > >>>> > >>>> Is there any emulator or other way we can use to test changes ? I > >>>> don't like seeing such a port just disappear... > >>> Well, if there is > >>> no known users, > >>> and no (original) developer doing maintenance > >>> and no reply from (original) developers to simple questions > >>> and no access to a system to test/compile > >>> and no nightly build > >>> and no tests in SVN > >>> and no emulator > >>> then IMO, this platform is a candidate to remove. > >>> as just keeping this compiling forever for no reason will > >>> at the end cost more than just removing it. > >> > >> > >> Agreed here. Although there are regtests under none/tests/tilegx there is no > >> way > >> to run them without any access to the machine or emulator. > >> I. > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > >> Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > >> With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > >> Training and support from Colfax. > >> Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Valgrind-developers mailing list > >> Val...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/valgrind-developers > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > _______________________________________________ > Valgrind-developers mailing list > Val...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/valgrind-developers |
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From: Julian S. <js...@ac...> - 2017-01-19 15:53:49
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> On 13/01/17 23:03, Philippe Waroquiers wrote: > So, no developer, no user, no company person telling anything, > and public information telling the chip will be replaced. I agree, I think this port should be removed. A whole year with absolutely no signs of user or maintainer activity is, in my view, long enough. J |
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