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From: Ian K. <mis...@ho...> - 2002-10-08 05:22:05
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Hi, I had only managed to get two of the five pages done from the last deadline due to holiday and visiting friends. For this Saturday I shall try and get the three remaining pages from the last deadline completed. IEK _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-06-24 23:31:54
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The Vision2 documentation project will be changing from an open source project to a closed project in the near future. In preparation, I have created a Yahoo group (v2...@ya...) that will be used as a replacement for these lists. Membership to the group is by invite only. I will be inviting current authors shortly. Those people on the lists that have been silent so far, and who are itching to write, should contact me directly at gle...@op.... In the future, announcements for this project will be sent to the ise_users list and comp.lang.eiffel. The main reason for this change is to have the work published. Best regards. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com |
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From: Julian R. <Jul...@Ei...> - 2002-06-21 01:08:12
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Glenn, I just spoke with Raphael, and it is all go with his server. This is the information we should require: You can access the server at: http://backslashdev.dnsart.com:88/home Username: v2writer Pass: Vision2Rules You have administrator rights so you should be able to do whatever you need. Only one person can be logged at a time though (due to how Terminal Server licensing works). I will be away for the next week as from tomorrow night, and uncontactable by e-mail. best wishes, Julian > -----Original Message----- > From: v2d...@li... > [mailto:v2d...@li...]On Behalf Of Glenn > Maughan > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:27 PM > To: v2d...@li... > Subject: Re: [V2d-discuss] CVS hosting > > > Hi Julian, > > >Does anybody have any thoughts on where we could now host the CVS > >repository?, as we need to remove it from Sourceforge. > > This is a difficult one. I've been toying with the idea to just > have one of > us manage a master copy and have new versions emailed in. This > person could > then retain the files in a local source repository to keep a > history. This > is what Raphael and I did for WPME. > > It worked, but required fixed ownership of individual files and > didn't quite > work when cross references to other files were added (because the new > cross-reference required a change in the target file). > > We could also setup a closed Yahoo group (which has a limited file upload > facility) which could be used as a staging area for new version uploads. > > But...having a cvs repository would be best... > > > > >Raphael had volunteered his server, but I am going away for a week, and > >will > >not be able to do anything about it until I return. > > If Raphael is happy to do this then I think we should try it. I > don't want > to burden Raphael with maintenance though. > > > > >As we are using Binary files, I am presuming that we may need > quite a lot > >of > >space, and was wondering if there was a better solution. > > We could start to save only the last versions of files (I don't > know if this > is possible in CVS). This would mean that we lose history but > limit the disk > usage. We would still have the benefit of a shared repository > that is easily > updatable for everyone. > > Glenn. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: ThinkGeek at http://www.ThinkGeek.com/ _______________________________________________ V2d-discuss mailing list V2d...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/v2d-discuss |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-06-21 00:27:55
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Hi Julian, >Does anybody have any thoughts on where we could now host the CVS >repository?, as we need to remove it from Sourceforge. This is a difficult one. I've been toying with the idea to just have one of us manage a master copy and have new versions emailed in. This person could then retain the files in a local source repository to keep a history. This is what Raphael and I did for WPME. It worked, but required fixed ownership of individual files and didn't quite work when cross references to other files were added (because the new cross-reference required a change in the target file). We could also setup a closed Yahoo group (which has a limited file upload facility) which could be used as a staging area for new version uploads. But...having a cvs repository would be best... > >Raphael had volunteered his server, but I am going away for a week, and >will >not be able to do anything about it until I return. If Raphael is happy to do this then I think we should try it. I don't want to burden Raphael with maintenance though. > >As we are using Binary files, I am presuming that we may need quite a lot >of >space, and was wondering if there was a better solution. We could start to save only the last versions of files (I don't know if this is possible in CVS). This would mean that we lose history but limit the disk usage. We would still have the benefit of a shared repository that is easily updatable for everyone. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. |
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From: Julian R. <Jul...@Ei...> - 2002-06-20 18:42:02
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Hi all, Does anybody have any thoughts on where we could now host the CVS repository?, as we need to remove it from Sourceforge. Raphael had volunteered his server, but I am going away for a week, and will not be able to do anything about it until I return. As we are using Binary files, I am presuming that we may need quite a lot of space, and was wondering if there was a better solution. Julian > -----Original Message----- > From: v2d...@li... > [mailto:v2d...@li...]On Behalf Of Glenn > Maughan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:13 PM > To: v2d...@li... > Subject: Re: [V2d-discuss] First cut applications chapter complete! > > > Hi Peter, > > >Sometimes one wants a code snippet, but at other times, the context is > >important (e.g. the main window is setup). What I imagined was a > >framework with a "Paste code here to demonstrate". Alternatively, the > >complete example could be in an example file. > > The Application chapter has a minimal application that could be used as a > "template" for what you are suggesting. I'm not sure how it could be > presented though. > > > > >I'll proceed with snippets, and see how it goes. > > Have a go at both and see which one presents better. > > Thanks. > Glenn. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Bringing you mounds of caffeinated joy > >>> http://thinkgeek.com/sf <<< > > _______________________________________________ > V2d-discuss mailing list > V2d...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/v2d-discuss > |
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From: Julian R. <Jul...@Ei...> - 2002-06-20 18:22:15
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Hi all, Does anybody have any thoughts on where we could now host the CVS repository?, as we need to remove it from Sourceforge. Raphael had volunteered his server, but I am going away for a week, and will not be able to do anything about it until I return. As we are using Binary files, I am presuming that we may need quite a lot of space, and was wondering if there was a better solution. Julian > -----Original Message----- > From: v2d...@li... > [mailto:v2d...@li...]On Behalf Of Glenn > Maughan > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:13 PM > To: v2d...@li... > Subject: Re: [V2d-discuss] First cut applications chapter complete! > > > Hi Peter, > > >Sometimes one wants a code snippet, but at other times, the context is > >important (e.g. the main window is setup). What I imagined was a > >framework with a "Paste code here to demonstrate". Alternatively, the > >complete example could be in an example file. > > The Application chapter has a minimal application that could be used as a > "template" for what you are suggesting. I'm not sure how it could be > presented though. > > > > >I'll proceed with snippets, and see how it goes. > > Have a go at both and see which one presents better. > > Thanks. > Glenn. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Bringing you mounds of caffeinated joy > >>> http://thinkgeek.com/sf <<< > > _______________________________________________ > V2d-discuss mailing list > V2d...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/v2d-discuss > |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-06-20 06:13:23
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Hi Peter, >Sometimes one wants a code snippet, but at other times, the context is >important (e.g. the main window is setup). What I imagined was a >framework with a "Paste code here to demonstrate". Alternatively, the >complete example could be in an example file. The Application chapter has a minimal application that could be used as a "template" for what you are suggesting. I'm not sure how it could be presented though. > >I'll proceed with snippets, and see how it goes. Have a go at both and see which one presents better. Thanks. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. |
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From: Peter H. <pe...@de...> - 2002-06-19 13:52:23
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Glenn Maughan wrote: > I'm not sure I know what you mean. Are you saying you just want to show > these lines. If so I have been using the InlineEiffelCode style to show > a "snippet" of code without writing a full example around it. Sometimes one wants a code snippet, but at other times, the context is important (e.g. the main window is setup). What I imagined was a framework with a "Paste code here to demonstrate". Alternatively, the complete example could be in an example file. I'll proceed with snippets, and see how it goes. -- Peter Horan School of Computing and Mathematics pe...@de... Deakin University +61-3-5227 1234 (Voice) Geelong, Victoria 3217, AUSTRALIA +61-3-5227 2028 (FAX) http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~peter -- The Eiffel guarantee: From specification to implementation -- (http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_eiffel.html) |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@op...> - 2002-06-19 12:10:23
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Hi Peter,
> Frequently, there are a number of occasions when a few lines
> of code are needed. I am thinking of examples like the following:
>
> feature
> screen: EV_SCREEN
> message: EV_INFORMATION_DIALOG
> initialize is
> do
> create screen
> create message.make_with_text("Width = " +
> screen.width.out + "; height =
> " + screen.height.out)
> message.show
> end
>
>
> This is to demonstrate how to identify screen width and
> height and illustrates the use of these quantities.
>
> It would be nice if we had a convention to paste this code
> into the default ev_application main_window. It immediately
> answers the question "How do I identify the screen width and
> height?" without clutter and illustrates the use of these parameters.
I'm not sure I know what you mean. Are you saying you just want to show
these lines. If so I have been using the InlineEiffelCode style to show
a "snippet" of code without writing a full example around it.
Thanks.
Glenn.
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From: Peter H. <pe...@de...> - 2002-06-19 06:12:48
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Frequently, there are a number of occasions when a few lines of code are
needed. I am thinking of examples like the following:
feature
screen: EV_SCREEN
message: EV_INFORMATION_DIALOG
initialize is
do
create screen
create message.make_with_text("Width = " +
screen.width.out + "; height = " + screen.height.out)
message.show
end
This is to demonstrate how to identify screen width and height and
illustrates the use of these quantities.
It would be nice if we had a convention to paste this code into the
default ev_application main_window. It immediately answers the question
"How do I identify the screen width and height?" without clutter and
illustrates the use of these parameters.
What do people think? Is there a better way to do it?
--
Peter Horan School of Computing and Mathematics
pe...@de... Deakin University
+61-3-5227 1234 (Voice) Geelong, Victoria 3217, AUSTRALIA
+61-3-5227 2028 (FAX) http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~peter
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From: Peter H. <pe...@de...> - 2002-06-19 04:31:48
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Glenn Maughan wrote: > Peter and Ian we need some work from you both... I have not forgotten you all. I just have been unable to get back to it in recent weeks. -- Peter Horan School of Computing and Mathematics pe...@de... Deakin University +61-3-5227 1234 (Voice) Geelong, Victoria 3217, AUSTRALIA +61-3-5227 2028 (FAX) http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~peter -- The Eiffel guarantee: From specification to implementation -- (http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_eiffel.html) |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@op...> - 2002-06-16 12:15:47
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I've just committed my first complete cut of the applications chapter. I started to proof it and it needs work but it's all there! I believe Julian is close to finishing the Events chapter. Peter and Ian we need some work from you both... Julian has nominated himself for the Containers chapter next and I will start the Primitives chapter. I'll let everyone know when I've proofed and corrected the Applications chapter then everyone can have a go at proofing it also. Glenn. |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@op...> - 2002-06-14 08:57:24
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Hi Julian, > I like the important concepts table very much, it looks professional. Great. We may have to change the logo as I "found" it on the net. > > I had a thought today (Not the only one! - I hope) while > taking a screenshot. Do you think we should try to regulate > our vision2 screen shots to regular sizes. i.e. have a set > number of sizes to use for examples. > > Such as 300x240 600x400 400x400 > Yes, I agree. The sizes you mention sound fine. I'll try a few out also and let you know what I think. I'm going to search for a collaboration site this weekend that would be suitable for our project. Any ideas on where to start? Glenn. |
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From: Julian R. <Jul...@ho...> - 2002-06-14 03:07:03
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Hi Glenn, I like the important concepts table very much, it looks professional. I had a thought today (Not the only one! - I hope) while taking a screenshot. Do you think we should try to regulate our vision2 screen shots to regular sizes. i.e. have a set number of sizes to use for examples. Such as 300x240 600x400 400x400 This may make the formatting appear more constant. Obviously, if there are special cases, where one of these are not suitable, then it will not matter, but generally, we could try to use one of the predefined sizes in a consistent manner? What do you think? If you like the idea, I can define some useful sizes to use, and please suggest some. Julian > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Maughan [mailto:gle...@op...] > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 3:31 PM > To: Julian Rogers > Subject: Re: RE: [V2d-discuss] "Important Concepts" box table style added > to template > > Hi Julian, > > Open your file and the template file in Frame. Then with the cursor in > your file, > choose File->Import->Formats and then select the template as the "Import > from > Document". > > This should import all of the styles and formatting settings. You should > then have > the new table style. > > Cheers. > Glenn. > > > > > Julian Rogers <Jul...@ho...> wrote: > > > > Hi Glenn, > > > > I thought you had described how I update the template for my > > document, > > but I cannot seem to find the mail. I do not have the > > ImportantConceptList table in my document. > > > > I am sure it is simple, but could not see how to do it. > > > > Thanks, > > Julian > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: v2d...@li... [mailto:v2d-discuss- > > > ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Glenn Maughan > > > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 10:25 PM > > > To: v2d...@li... > > > Subject: [V2d-discuss] "Important Concepts" box table style added > > to > > > template > > > > > > I've added a table style for use as a "sidebar" box for important > > > concepts. > > > It contains an inline image (taken off the web) and a box border. > > > > > > Julian, let me know if this is the kind of thing you were after? > > The > > image > > > can be replaced with something better (and non-copyright) later. I > > can > > > also > > > add it to the reference pages for easy copying. > > > > > > To use it: > > > > > > - Insert a table of style ImportantConceptList > > > - Type the text you need using any of the paragraph styles > > > - Place the insertion point at the start of the table cell. > > > - Insert an anchored frame with "Inline with Paragraph" as the > > style > > and > > > (approx.) -2cm below baseline. (I'll determine the exact baseline > > position > > > later. Copy and paste the "important" image from the template. > > > > > > Glenn. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Have big pipes? SourceForge.net is looking for download mirrors. We > > supply > > > the hardware. You get the recognition. Email Us: > > ban...@so... > > > _______________________________________________ > > > V2d-discuss mailing list > > > V2d...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/v2d-discuss |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@op...> - 2002-05-16 12:01:46
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Hi Peter, > I thought I had deleted the modified copy and downloaded from > SourceForge to recover the correct version. However, as well, I uploaded > the version 6 copy. > I didn't get a notification of it being committed. Are you sure it went to cvs? The last revision in the log is 1.4, committed me. I used 'cvs log Eiffel_Vision_2.book'. > So, that file needs to be rolled back. As I do not know the best way to > do this, could someone else do so, please? Not sure how best to do this either. If it has gone in I'll experiment! Glenn. |
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From: Peter H. <pe...@de...> - 2002-05-16 07:45:03
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I have a problem here mixing versions of Framemaker. This meant that created a version 6 copy of the book file "Eiffel_Vision_2.book". I thought I had deleted the modified copy and downloaded from SourceForge to recover the correct version. However, as well, I uploaded the version 6 copy. So, that file needs to be rolled back. As I do not know the best way to do this, could someone else do so, please? -- Peter Horan School of Computing and Mathematics pe...@de... Deakin University +61-3-5227 1234 (Voice) Geelong, Victoria 3217, AUSTRALIA +61-3-5227 2028 (FAX) http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~peter -- The Eiffel guarantee: From specification to implementation -- (http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_eiffel.html) |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-05-14 02:30:25
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After disussion with a couple of the authors, I'd like to propose a change to a "closed source" project for writing this book. There is a possibility of finding a publisher and writing a fully published book is more of a driver for me and others. This would involve removing the source from SourceForge to a restricted repository and changing to a different (not necessarily restricted) mailing list. If a publisher can not be found at the time, we can always revert to online publishing. Can everyone respond, in private if you like, with your opinions? Thanks. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-05-13 02:48:05
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Hi Peter, >Glenn Maughan wrote: > > > Does anyone have Acrobat installed who can do the conversion. I don't >have > > it so save as PDF doesn't work. > >I can do that. Can you specify what you want done? Early next week I'd like to generate a PDF of the entire book as it stands. Closer to that time we need to check what it looks like to see if it is suitable to go up on the site. We may only generate one or two chapters. Thanks. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-05-12 23:43:11
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I have finally got the context help example working which is the last example needed for the Applications chapter. It's worth a look, if you are interested, as it uses a custom help engine and help contexts to provide a side-by-side titled help window. I'll be completing the writing for this chapter this week and weekend. I'd like to get a PDF of it and anything else we have ready, early next week. Does anyone have Acrobat installed who can do the conversion. I don't have it so save as PDF doesn't work. Thanks. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-05-12 22:38:03
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I've been using $V2D in the working_directory path for example Ace files. It doesn't seem to work. Is this supported in 5.1? Thanks. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-05-11 05:32:29
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>I am sure that this is what Glenn wanted originally. :) Yes, this was my intention. Not the best solution but a workable one. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com |
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From: Glenn M. <gle...@ho...> - 2002-05-11 05:27:55
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>As we are all working on a chapter each for now, maybe we should not modify >anybody elses chapter without prior permission. > >This way, there will be no problems. When the chapters are more advanced, >we >could all review a chapter we did not work on, and make grammer/spelling >changes. Maybe mail the suggestions to the list. They may not be incorporated immediately but at least we will not lose them. But keep in mind that the chapters are very draft until an indication otherwise comes from the author. Glenn. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com |
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From: Peter H. <pe...@de...> - 2002-05-11 03:00:37
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[Re-sent] I forgot to add that I thought the chapter was on a good track. I did not understand the shading of the top bar of the various tables, though. Julian Rogers wrote: > > Peter, > > I just realised, that it is my chapter that you are talking about. I will be > happy for you to e-mail me a comparison file. > > I must say, that I need to re-read if for grammer/spelling. I do not claim > it to have been checked, and there is a lot more to be done. I am sure a lot > of my wording will change when I make my first review, as I wanted to get > something down, before I spent too much time involved with the little > things. I'll leave it for now. In my job, one reads with a "red pen" in one's hand, (though one student convinced her supervisor to use a green pen). The changes were mainly spelling and punctuation and consistency of font usage. Nothing major. -- Peter Horan School of Computing and Mathematics pe...@de... Deakin University +61-3-5227 1234 (Voice) Geelong, Victoria 3217, AUSTRALIA +61-3-5227 2028 (FAX) http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~peter -- The Eiffel guarantee: From specification to implementation -- (http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_eiffel.html) |
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From: Peter H. <pe...@de...> - 2002-05-11 02:57:46
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Julian Rogers wrote: > > Peter, > > I just realised, that it is my chapter that you are talking about. I will be > happy for you to e-mail me a comparison file. > > I must say, that I need to re-read if for grammer/spelling. I do not claim > it to have been checked, and there is a lot more to be done. I am sure a lot > of my wording will change when I make my first review, as I wanted to get > something down, before I spent too much time involved with the little > things. I'll leave it for now. In my job, one reads with a "red pen" in one's hand, (though one student convinced her supervisor to use a green pen). The changes were mainly spelling and punctuation and consistency of font usage. Nothing major. -- Peter Horan School of Computing and Mathematics pe...@de... Deakin University +61-3-5227 1234 (Voice) Geelong, Victoria 3217, AUSTRALIA +61-3-5227 2028 (FAX) http://www.cm.deakin.edu.au/~peter -- The Eiffel guarantee: From specification to implementation -- (http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_eiffel.html) |
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From: Julian R. <Jul...@Ei...> - 2002-05-10 16:39:17
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Hi everyone, When starting my chapter examples, I looked at Glenns examples, and noticed a $V2D environment variable in the .ace file, used to locate the files. I now use this in my examples, and just wanted to bring it to everybodys attention, so we can use it as a standard. I am sure that this is what Glenn wanted originally. :) And in any case, even if we want to change it later, if it is already in all of our ace files, if will be easy to perform a global search and replace, to change it to a different value. Julian |
