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From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-31 11:38:12
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great, thanks douglas. (i tested it & saw nothing different!) thanks also for the theatres of science info - one of us colliders should definitely follow that up. am still emerging from my post-festival haze, sleeping 11 hours a night, but planning to get onto that browser list & image size recommendations & other stuff this week. btw, any reason why my posts to upstage list seem to take a day or so to appear? (i bet this one goes thru instantly just to prove me wrong ... ) h : ) >I've written a detection script and called it detect.js. It should >turn a line like this: > ><script>test_flash()</script> > >into a message, if the browser has javascript, and the flash plugin >is too old or not working. > >You can test on the front page of http://upstage.org.nz:8083/ . You >shouldn't see anything different unless you computer lacks flash. > >The messages can be edited in detect.js, which is in the html directory. > >douglas > -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: Douglas B. <do...@pa...> - 2004-01-31 04:38:41
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this is kind of relevant. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Fwd: FW: Call for Papers & Workshops: Theatres of Science Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:59:50 +1300 From: Lissa Mitchell <li...@pa...> To: do...@pa... thought your upstage crew might be interested in this... >Delivered-To: li...@pa... >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 13:27:08 +1100 >From: "Van Tiel, Michael" <Michaelv@PHM.GOV.AU> >Subject: FW: Call for Papers & Workshops: Theatres of Science >Sender: lis...@am... >To: am...@am... >X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information >X-MailScanner: Found to be clean >Reply-To: Michaelv@PHM.GOV.AU >X-Loop: Lis...@am... > > >People on this list may be interested. > >Michael > > >THEATRES OF SCIENCE: CROSSOVERS & CONFLUENCES > >An Interdisciplinary Conference > >University of Glamorgan >Pontypridd, Wales, UK >8-11 September 2004 > >CALL FOR PAPERS & WORKSHOPS > >The 'Theatres of Science' conference will address some of the many exciting >and innovative ideas and practices taking place at the intersections between >drama/theatre and science. > >We are concerned with an eclectic field ranging from plays about scientific >issues, to theatrical biography, from public dissections to scientific >lecture-demonstrations, from performance art interrogating science to drama >in science museums, amongst many others. Key questions are: how can >different knowledge systems and ways of understanding and/or describing the >world be brought into confluence or conflict to produce new meanings, >insights and experiences? What are key approaches, challenges and obstacles >in arts/science collaborations? How are we to conceptualise notions of >science and/as performance? > >The focus for papers and workshops is likely to include - but is not limited >to - areas such as: > >* Plays dealing with scientific issues, themes, histories and >personalities >* Performance that engages with, is inspired by, or challenges science >* Collaborations between artists and scientists >* Science as performance >* Radio & Television drama and science >* Science on film >* Ethics and Experimentation >* Drama/Theatre, Science and Education >* Science Communication and drama > >The conference is aimed at academics, artists, scientists, teachers, >researchers, writers, performers, and educationalists. It is envisaged that >the programme will include a combination of formal papers, practical >workshops, discussion groups and performances. > >Length of presentations: > >Papers: 20 mins + 10 mins for questions and discussion >Workshops: 90 to 180 mins > >Proposal requirements: > >* An abstract of no longer than 300 words >* Title >* Type of presentation (paper, workshop) >* A short biography >* Technical requirements >* Contact details >* Institutional affiliation (if applicable) > >Closing Date for proposals: 19 March 2004 > >Proposals can be submitted via post or e-mail (as a Word attachment) to: >Michael Carklin >Postal Address: School of Humanities, Law & Social Sciences, Ty Crawshay, >University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, CF37 1DL, UK. >e-mail address: dra...@gl... > > >General Information: > >* The conference will take place at the University of Glamorgan which >is based in Trefforest, just 8 miles north of the thriving capital city of >Wales, Cardiff. >* Registration and accommodation information will follow shortly. |
From: Douglas B. <do...@pa...> - 2004-01-31 03:53:36
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I've written a detection script and called it detect.js. It should turn a line like this: <script>test_flash()</script> into a message, if the browser has javascript, and the flash plugin is too old or not working. You can test on the front page of http://upstage.org.nz:8083/ . You shouldn't see anything different unless you computer lacks flash. The messages can be edited in detect.js, which is in the html directory. douglas Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: > good idea; is this something that vi or len know how to do? (we do have > a link to the macromedia site in the foyer). > >> At 01:32 27/01/2004, you wrote: >> >>> ups...@li... >> >> >> request from techicians at school to have little detection script at >> foyer of Upstage that says 'Can't detect Flash 7, you wanna download >> it now' etc >> |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-30 17:54:25
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good idea; is this something that vi or len know how to do? (we do have a link to the macromedia site in the foyer). >At 01:32 27/01/2004, you wrote: >>ups...@li... > >request from techicians at school to have little detection script >at foyer of Upstage that says 'Can't detect Flash 7, you wanna >download it now' etc > > >------------------------------------------------------- >The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 >Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration >See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. >http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn >_______________________________________________ >Upstage-list mailing list >Ups...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/upstage-list -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: Karla P. <k...@ar...> - 2004-01-28 19:45:59
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At 01:32 27/01/2004, you wrote: >ups...@li... request from techicians at school to have little detection script at foyer of Upstage that says 'Can't detect Flash 7, you wanna download it now' etc |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-28 11:35:27
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great, douglas : ) i'm back in london now after being immersed in theatre & snow in denmark - was behind a firewall so couldn't access upstage at all. but now i will be getting back into it. i'm continuing to collate stuff for the documentation, & the important things at the moment are: - browser incompatibilities (trying to make a comparison chart but it's hard because there are so many variables) - recommended file sizes & formats for images for backgrounds, props & avs - something else that i can't remember right now! h : ) >hello > >I've been fixing bugs and writing tests. > >There are about ten voices now, and at least one is ostensibly >female, which is now the default. They are generated by mbrola, >rsynth and festival. > >The backgrounds will persist between audience visits. Most of the time. >If the connection is too slow it mightn't work. The answer might be >a "loading..." splash screen, because the client has trouble loading >and running at the same time. > >All the problems where players, stages etc weren't showing up should be fixed. > >There's also another level in the permissions system. "Superusers" >can add and change players, while ordinary admin users can't. > >http://upstage.org.nz:8083/stages/test has white behind the text. >It's not very pretty, but you can read it. > >The tests should ensure that I break less stuff as I make new bits. >Which is too easy to do. > >d > > >------------------------------------------------------- >The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 >Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration >See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. >http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn >_______________________________________________ >Upstage-list mailing list >Ups...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/upstage-list -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: Karla P. <k...@ar...> - 2004-01-27 23:09:07
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I have tested this on a wide variety of PCs, with different OS: the text to speech plug-in is not working on PCs - i.e. no sound throughout Upstage. This must be a priority, yes? Karla |
From: Douglas B. <do...@pa...> - 2004-01-27 01:32:59
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hello I've been fixing bugs and writing tests. There are about ten voices now, and at least one is ostensibly female, which is now the default. They are generated by mbrola, rsynth and festival. The backgrounds will persist between audience visits. Most of the time. If the connection is too slow it mightn't work. The answer might be a "loading..." splash screen, because the client has trouble loading and running at the same time. All the problems where players, stages etc weren't showing up should be fixed. There's also another level in the permissions system. "Superusers" can add and change players, while ordinary admin users can't. http://upstage.org.nz:8083/stages/test has white behind the text. It's not very pretty, but you can read it. The tests should ensure that I break less stuff as I make new bits. Which is too easy to do. d |
From: Karla P. <k...@ar...> - 2004-01-21 11:56:04
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Hi all World X - an educational virtual exchange trip/performance project using Upstage and involving 15 pupils from a secondary school in London Uk and a similar group of students from South Island, NZ commences on Tuesday February 3rd, i.e. in 2 weeks. The UK presentation of recruitment takes place in 6 days on Tuesday Jan 27th from 3:15pm UK time. This will be attended by students, teachers, local government agencies (Greenwich Council), UK project agencies (Independent Photography Group), and any of you who would like to log on to Upstage to say hello. With this in mind, could some of the most-do items on the FIX IT list for Upstage be achieved asap? Vicki sent a comprehensive list to this group last week. Some of the priorities that I'm concerned about include the following (please ignore anything that is in process of being fixed): -Recommendations and specifications for sizes of backdrops, avs and props. - Backdrops appear in admin automatically rather than requiring html editing -Backdrops need to be sized to the performance window - while they cover the chat window no one can read what they type and people constantly hit backdrops by accident. -Reset button doesnt work properly - only way to clear backdrop after hitting reset is to exit and return. (Len and I tried Refresh but didnt help). -Dialogue comes in stutters - small, large, smaller etc - is this intentional? -copy of Upstage for World X users at :8084 (safeguards everyone's work) -props disappear behind backdrops Okay, lot of stuff, but some of these will make a huge difference to usability. thanks, Karla |
From: Karla P. <k...@ar...> - 2004-01-19 14:03:21
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Logged on to :8081 using IE6 on Windows 2000 - which usually takes far too long or fails to open any stage for me, but today, VOILA! - Arabia, Virtual Tourist etc. opened lickety split. I logged out and logged in again to make sure it wasn't fluke: worked perfectly & fast. And all backdrops on presentation stage clicked on effortlessly. Other problems remain: 'Clear' function cleans Avs but not backdrops. Backdrops block props. 'Reset' didn't seem to clear anything ' K:) |
From: <vic...@pa...> - 2004-01-18 23:23:50
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hey douglas et al as karla says having a worldx port is a must [for both our rehearsal/performance programme and for the students] please can you implement that and let us know when you have? also can you send instructions of how to create a stage then make it available to the audience [or even admin] it is not detailed in the manual and i cannpt work out how to do it otherwise is it something you need to do? in which case we need to remedy that asap i have just been in looking at upstage in arabia and virtual tourist the sound seems to be taking ages to download [actually the stage itself is taking a long time but i am on VERY SLOW dial up here - arabia is giving me a total of 534k to download which for me takes several minutes] in virtual tourist lthough i can see the names of lencam and karla avs they are not showing up on stage [the same was happening in arabia - only calif was showing although there were sevreal others on stage... this may be the length of time they are taking to load i can pick up props now but they are still behind the backdrop and indeed behind the av as well [clear does not seem to remove props and backdrops only avs] douglas i am aware that images we load for backgounds or avs etc are compressed before being presented to the browser but can you give us an idea of optimum size for these - both in pixel dimensions and file size please cheers vicki :) |
From: Karla P. <k...@ar...> - 2004-01-18 14:13:47
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Douglas, this seems like an excellent idea. Can it happen immediatley? K At 11:55 15/01/2004, you wrote: >would it be a good idea to start up another server for the world x thing? >I mean on a different port, like http://upstage.org.nz:8082 or 8084? > >It would be faitly simple, and would ensure the kids couldn't muck round >with your stages etc. You could also change the html to suit. > > >douglas > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. >Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering >advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. >Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html >_______________________________________________ >Upstage-list mailing list >Ups...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/upstage-list |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-15 12:54:42
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yes! i didn't realise we could do that - great idea h : ) >would it be a good idea to start up another server for the world x >thing? I mean on a different port, like http://upstage.org.nz:8082 >or 8084? > >It would be faitly simple, and would ensure the kids couldn't muck >round with your stages etc. You could also change the html to suit. > > >douglas > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. >Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering >advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. >Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html >_______________________________________________ >Upstage-list mailing list >Ups...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/upstage-list -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: Douglas B. <do...@pa...> - 2004-01-15 11:55:09
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would it be a good idea to start up another server for the world x thing? I mean on a different port, like http://upstage.org.nz:8082 or 8084? It would be faitly simple, and would ensure the kids couldn't muck round with your stages etc. You could also change the html to suit. douglas |
From: Karla P. <k...@ar...> - 2004-01-14 13:44:11
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Hi RE: new stage still can't get World X stage into list of stages, and thus accessible for use. Vicki will have mentioned that World X stage will need some kind of password protect so that general users don't delete the work (e.g. avs, backdrops or even a chat message from UK pupil to NZ pupil). RE: browser Still can't open any stage using IE6 on windows 2000. Seems to work okay on Mozilla Karla |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-14 09:17:50
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> > >should i also add the info about the browsers >or is the compatibility a priority? i guess we should put up that at the moment, netscape seems to be the best (at the moment, mozilla doesn't make the icons go small, & stops me from being able to use keyboard shortcuts in other apps). is that also the case for the PC? i know that in OSX, safari was working really well. tony also used opera with good results. > >checked today - the stages all seem to be taking an inordinate time >to download >and the backdrops are not coming in yeah backdrops not persisting, nor are props > >leaving the avs is good because at least there is something on the stage >BUT does that not give the impression that there will be someone there to >interact with [perhaps giving rise to the sarcasm?] i guess it does suggest someone is there ... it's almost like we need some big banner saying "no performance on at the moment, these are stills/dummies/etc". maybe we should also make a time for the walkthrough & put that on the site, so that people have something to put in their diaries & come back to later? how about thursday 29th january, & let's try to make 3 or 4 times to give people some options (we wouldn't all have to be there, but it would be good if there were at least 2-3 colliders each time). it wouldn't be a performance, but a walkthrough & explaining the tools & perhaps just one stage for people to muck about on. we would need to give everyone a login, so again the different levels of login is a priority. h : ) -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: <vic...@pa...> - 2004-01-14 01:39:39
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hey all >i've just updated the copy on the foyer page to make it (hopefully) >more clear to people who are looking around at the moment, that there >is *not* a show on right now. i just went into one of the stages & >someone had been in there obviously expecting to see something >happening & left sarcastic comments. > should i also add the info about the browsers or is the compatibility a priority? >there will be quite a few people looking at it at the moment, because >of the publicity, so it's quite important that everyone checks in as >often as possible checked yesterday, there were a few comments checked today - the stages all seem to be taking an inordinate time to download and the backdrops are not coming in leaving the avs is good because at least there is something on the stage BUT does that not give the impression that there will be someone there to interact with [perhaps giving rise to the sarcasm?] k is meeting with the england team today i have not heard back from the nz teacher yet - most probably won't until next week but keen to have the upstage environment as robust as possible for when we start working with it douglas how do you expect the server to react to many players? [30] cheers vicki :) |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-14 00:03:06
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i've just updated the copy on the foyer page to make it (hopefully) more clear to people who are looking around at the moment, that there is *not* a show on right now. i just went into one of the stages & someone had been in there obviously expecting to see something happening & left sarcastic comments. there will be quite a few people looking at it at the moment, because of the publicity, so it's quite important that everyone checks in as often as possible - to leave responses, tidy up stages, etc. i can't do this very often myself at the moment bcos of travel & festival but hopefully k & vi in particular are going to be in there getting ready for worldx anyway. douglas - please please please can you make the backdrops persist asap. it really is much more interesting for these audience people coming in to see the big picture. h : ) -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-13 14:45:26
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yes - i started to compile all the info we have so far before i left but i didn't get very far ... will try to find time to make a bit more of a stab at it over the next few weeks. another post-launch priority, pre-worldx, is fixing up the different levels of player access, so that there can be player only, administrator player, & super player or something like that. so that those who are player only can't add & delete other players, for example. have just got to my london pad after i don't know how many hours in the air - flights were all smooth but the singapore-london leg seemed to go on forever, i couldn't sleep so i watched a movie & nearly finished a very long book. len, did you see me wave as we passed over helsinki this morning? (well, a bit to the south). now hitting the sack for a very long sleep ... h : ) > >we will need to give an indication of the optimum browser for each platform >on site for future shows [and also for download - graeme waited for some >time unsure if the stage was still coming ] > >other things that are priorities for post launch for me are props working >and drawing and a white >bkgrnd in text log window - these are must do's from my perspective [i >speak here for karla also and the worldx project] > >karla and i will be sorting out a schedule and have more 'need to haves' to >add to the list for you soon douglas ;) > >all in all i think we have a remarkable achievement and i am proud to be >involved > >cheers >vicki :) > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. >Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering >advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. >Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html >_______________________________________________ >Upstage-list mailing list >Ups...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/upstage-list -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: <vic...@pa...> - 2004-01-12 20:49:00
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kia ora koutou the launch from my perspective went very well indeed - i had usual extreme nerves before the kick off especially as it was looking like we might have to do a show that was all smoke and mirrors earlier a lot of the day had been testing and checking things to ensure douglas would fix them for the launch and preparing presentation stage and rl venue - this meant the last minute tech check of webcams etc just merged into people arriving and the rl set up i did endeavour to keep len and k updated with what was happening in rl but in presentation got out of sync with hen's presentation when i flicked up a series of backdrops to find the one she was on [sorry about that and the seeming confusion for the online audience] one of things i enjoyed, and although they couldn't see it on the screen i did mention to the medialab audience, was the continuing action in arabia while we had moved into virtual tourist [the process for moving the audience through the stages was clumsy and the idea of being able to change the backdrops was to negate that, BUT had the wonderful consequence in the group who hadn't finished with that story carrying on playing with it for themselves] felt at the end as has been mentioned that there was no sense of the performance has finished and did rush off a bit in order to try and connect with a few people in the audience Now have made it back to the west coast [home of the virtual tourist pics] have just been in to have a look at the stuff article [shame about the spelling of your name len!] my brother is here and i showed him the article so he followed the link to upstage read the homepage then went into have a look at the stages [while i observed] he was a little confused as to what was happening or required of him, but typed in some text [he expected that he might be able to move the avatars left on the stage] i went in with player login to show him the avs and backdrops [he has been spending a lot of time down the packtrack over the last few days so was excited to see the photos in virtual tourist and enjoyed the chenge in backdrops and avs but unfortunately then explorer quit on us we will need to give an indication of the optimum browser for each platform on site for future shows [and also for download - graeme waited for some time unsure if the stage was still coming ] other things that are priorities for post launch for me are props working and drawing and a white bkgrnd in text log window - these are must do's from my perspective [i speak here for karla also and the worldx project] karla and i will be sorting out a schedule and have more 'need to haves' to add to the list for you soon douglas ;) all in all i think we have a remarkable achievement and i am proud to be involved cheers vicki :) |
From: Tony M. <ta-...@ih...> - 2004-01-11 10:40:08
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Hi Helen, > thanks very much for your feedback & thanks also for coming along to > the launch : ) No worries, thanks for your response :) > was it XP Pro or Home? Pro. (SP1). =Tony Meyer Massey University, Auckland |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-11 06:43:41
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hi tony, thanks very much for your feedback & thanks also for coming along to the launch : ) some answers/thoughts to your comments below: >Launch notes/questions from a spectator: > >Speech: > * I didn't get any speech with IE 6 (WinXP) and Flash 6. It worked fine >with Opera 7.2 and Flash 6. Mozilla 0.6 and Flash 6 gave me some speech, >but not all. was it XP Pro or Home? > * What was generating the speech? Festival, Flite or rsynth-say? Festival > * As was obvious, the text cut off was annoying, and made it difficult to >follow what was happening in the presentations. yes, very annoying, & not a bug we'd encountered before the launch so it was very frustrating for us too. apparently it had something to do with the audience chat, & has already been fixed : ) > >Presentation: > * The background slides needed to be either smaller or more to the left, so >that they didn't hide the text. very true, last minute thing .. > * Maybe some players could have the ability to move avatars that aren't >their own? One (Helen, IIRC) was on top of slides for a lot of the >presentation, and it would have been good for one of the others to be able >to move her out of the way. indeed; my fault - the split focus of online & offline presenting is a tricky one! & once i'd started with the proximal audience i wasn't looking at the upstage screen. > >Demo: > * Movement between stages wasn't clear - there was a "go to Virtual Tour >now" instruction, but action was still occurring on the Arabia tour stage, >which meant having to watch both (which is ok, but it wasn't clear if this >was the desired behaviour or not). normally, we wouldn't envisage trying to move the audience to another stage. the idea is that you can set up one stage with all the backdrops etc required for a performance. however, for the launch, we had quite a lot of different backdrops that we were trying to fit in, & we thought it would be better to create separate stages to demonstrate this. most of the online audience did manage to follow us, & the ongoing action on the arabia stage wasn't planned - good on you if you managed to tune into both! > >Overall it was an interesting presentation & demo, and I look forward to >more! Congrats! thanks very much ... we'll keep you posted! h : ) > >=Tony Meyer >Massey University, Auckland > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. >Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering >advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. >Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html >_______________________________________________ >Upstage-list mailing list >Ups...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/upstage-list -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: Tony M. <ta-...@ih...> - 2004-01-11 05:14:47
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Launch notes/questions from a spectator: Speech: * I didn't get any speech with IE 6 (WinXP) and Flash 6. It worked = fine with Opera 7.2 and Flash 6. Mozilla 0.6 and Flash 6 gave me some = speech, but not all. * What was generating the speech? Festival, Flite or rsynth-say? * As was obvious, the text cut off was annoying, and made it difficult = to follow what was happening in the presentations. Presentation: * The background slides needed to be either smaller or more to the = left, so that they didn't hide the text. * Maybe some players could have the ability to move avatars that aren't their own? One (Helen, IIRC) was on top of slides for a lot of the presentation, and it would have been good for one of the others to be = able to move her out of the way. Demo: * Movement between stages wasn't clear - there was a "go to Virtual = Tour now" instruction, but action was still occurring on the Arabia tour = stage, which meant having to watch both (which is ok, but it wasn't clear if = this was the desired behaviour or not). Overall it was an interesting presentation & demo, and I look forward to more! Congrats! =3DTony Meyer Massey University, Auckland |
From: Helen V. J. <he...@cr...> - 2004-01-11 02:38:12
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great - hope the hangover has passed ... h : ) >Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: >> douglas - could this be a server overload issue? i hope not ... > >No -- I don't think the server was working very hard at all. I think >the train of transmission was broken somewhere along the path. It's >quite a comlicated sequence of steps, and frail in places. I >suspect that the avatar was trying to update from a different image >than the one that was being uploaded. I'll have a look through the >server logs to see what I see. > >>sound >>in the room, we had a sound problem in that there would be nothing >>at all for a while, then several peoples' speech would all be >>spoken at once on top of each other. douglas thinks this was >>probably more to do with the capabilities of the computer we were >>projecting from than the server. did anyone else experience this? > >I think that because it was mainly a problem in Arabia, and worst in >the cave. Before we started the computer was spending around 80% of >its CPU time just drawing the flames, and a few avatars doing stuff >probably pushed it to 100%, at which point something has to give. It >chose to save up the speech and do it all in one breath. > >>text cut off >>this is a big problem & a real pain. i guess we hadn't realised it >>before because we weren't all speaking so much. it's probably the >>highest priority post-launch bug, yes? > >fixed, I think. For the record it wasn't a long standing bug - it >came in with the audience chat. > >>presentation >>it sounds like the online presentation was good but perhaps too >>long, yes? len & k, how did it go talking to the slides? perhaps it >>was a bit boring for the online audience. it ended up being much >>longer than i expected (the whole thing took an hour with >>presentation & demo, i was imagining half an hour). the audience in >>the room were a bit restless by the end of the whole thing - we >>didn't really get to "finish off" properly because a few people had >>already had to slip out, & others were hot & thirsty (the room was >>really a bit small for the 50 or so people who came). > >I thought the presentation was good. The demo perhaps didn't give >enough sense that it was going to end -- i think people got restless >not because it was too long, but they were wondering if it was going >to drag on for hours. But in the circumstances it went really well. > >>demo >>given that we hadn't been able to rehearse it, we did bloody well! >>: ) the offline audience laughed a lot, & graham did voice-over >>explanations that helped them to understand what was going on or >>going wrong. that bloody blue screen continually popping up all the >>time was confusing - i thought it was one of the audience but vi >>said len's icons hadn't gone small & she kept hitting it by mistake >>when typing in the text field. i don't think we need to click in >>the text box every time to type, i think we can just type - but >>this is definitely something that needs to get fixed, the backdrop >>icons *should* always go small. > >yeah. most of the time you can just type. The trouble iwth the >icons is they don't want to go small before they're loaded, and >sometimes they never think they've finished loading. But we'll find >a way round that. > >>feedback > >I had quite good feedback too, and it seemed quite genuine. But >then I also had a massive hangover, so I don't know whether to trust >myswelf. > >douglas > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: Perforce Software. >Perforce is the Fast Software Configuration Management System offering >advanced branching capabilities and atomic changes on 50+ platforms. >Free Eval! http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html >_______________________________________________ >Upstage-list mailing list >Ups...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/upstage-list -- ____________________________________________________________ helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@cr... http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ____________________________________________________________ |
From: Douglas B. <do...@pa...> - 2004-01-11 02:19:05
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Helen Varley Jamieson wrote: > douglas - could this be a server > overload issue? i hope not ... No -- I don't think the server was working very hard at all. I think the train of transmission was broken somewhere along the path. It's quite a comlicated sequence of steps, and frail in places. I suspect that the avatar was trying to update from a different image than the one that was being uploaded. I'll have a look through the server logs to see what I see. > sound > in the room, we had a sound problem in that there would be nothing at > all for a while, then several peoples' speech would all be spoken at > once on top of each other. douglas thinks this was probably more to do > with the capabilities of the computer we were projecting from than the > server. did anyone else experience this? I think that because it was mainly a problem in Arabia, and worst in the cave. Before we started the computer was spending around 80% of its CPU time just drawing the flames, and a few avatars doing stuff probably pushed it to 100%, at which point something has to give. It chose to save up the speech and do it all in one breath. > text cut off > this is a big problem & a real pain. i guess we hadn't realised it > before because we weren't all speaking so much. it's probably the > highest priority post-launch bug, yes? fixed, I think. For the record it wasn't a long standing bug - it came in with the audience chat. > presentation > it sounds like the online presentation was good but perhaps too long, > yes? len & k, how did it go talking to the slides? perhaps it was a bit > boring for the online audience. it ended up being much longer than i > expected (the whole thing took an hour with presentation & demo, i was > imagining half an hour). the audience in the room were a bit restless by > the end of the whole thing - we didn't really get to "finish off" > properly because a few people had already had to slip out, & others were > hot & thirsty (the room was really a bit small for the 50 or so people > who came). I thought the presentation was good. The demo perhaps didn't give enough sense that it was going to end -- i think people got restless not because it was too long, but they were wondering if it was going to drag on for hours. But in the circumstances it went really well. > demo > given that we hadn't been able to rehearse it, we did bloody well! : ) > the offline audience laughed a lot, & graham did voice-over explanations > that helped them to understand what was going on or going wrong. that > bloody blue screen continually popping up all the time was confusing - i > thought it was one of the audience but vi said len's icons hadn't gone > small & she kept hitting it by mistake when typing in the text field. i > don't think we need to click in the text box every time to type, i think > we can just type - but this is definitely something that needs to get > fixed, the backdrop icons *should* always go small. yeah. most of the time you can just type. The trouble iwth the icons is they don't want to go small before they're loaded, and sometimes they never think they've finished loading. But we'll find a way round that. > feedback I had quite good feedback too, and it seemed quite genuine. But then I also had a massive hangover, so I don't know whether to trust myswelf. douglas |